What does it take for an EF to run 13s

[Vteckidd]

that wasnt directed at anyone at in particular.

an mumbles was my old boss HEHE

[mumbles]

What was ENDYNs site? "Old 1", "the old one" .com... some shit. URL has changed from what I have bookmarked. I used it for reference when I sprayed my SOHC w/ a full 100 shot... SUCESSFULLY. I'd trust their site b4 "some guy" on a forum. LOL. And I STAND CORRECTED on the interference motor, it IS an interference motor... happy? Doesn't change the fact that you were WRONG technically and have still failed to contribute TECHNICALLY. It's taking me a while b/c I am at work... if the crossections are still there I will load them up... I am pretty sure that NE1 who can read will understand what it's saying and understand it. The only thing that I am SURE of is:



^^ THAT statement is not reliable



Neither is that 1.



That 1 either...


As far as calling me out about a D not bein an interference motor, THANK YOU VTECKKID for the education and the initial knock upside my head... YOU though, are just co-signing and riding his coattails... he should ne honored. I have NO problem w/ being educated on the forums... but YOU (mumbles), well...

that mother fucker used to work for me what the hell are you talking about.

[BTEC]

YAWL TOTALLY RUINED THIS THREAD. YAWL TOOK IT WAY TOO SIRIUS. LETS HAVE A BUILD OFF THEN LIKE THEY DID WITH THE B-SERIES SHOOTOUT. WHO CAN BUILD THE FAST EF/EG FOR THE LEAST AMOUNT OF MONEY, GET THE CLOSEST GUESS TO HOW MUCH HP AND WHAT KINDA TIMES THEIR PROJECT WILL MAKE/RUN.

[99SI]

lol, I'm sorry I got busy and left this thread for a while. Halfwit, go back to vteckidd's statement about Scotty's turbo NON VTEC d series. over 200whp and 200lb/fttq at 10lbs boost for over THREE YEARS! If that is not reliable and a fast ass little combo I don't know what is. Yes you can do the GSR, then if you go with nitrous you have taken out the reliability factor of it. If you get a tank of bad gas and spray, nitrous backfire, etc. You can run it with a wet shot 100 but you still can't say it's "reliable." And also, a motor set up for nitrous with colder plugs and less timing is not going to make good power when it's not being sprayed on. IE: when you are daily driving it's not going to be all that impressive unless you're spraying it constantly. If you do the GSR with intake/header/exhaust don't be upset when you make 155whp. Then if you want to go with NA, 1,000 for good cams and valvetrain to go with it. To take advantage of the extra lift and RPM where those cams will make power you will at least need to go with ARP rod bolts to make it reliable at higher rpm. Also you will need to tune with something so, 185 for p28 chipped, 300 for dyno time. It's all a matter of preference, you can do any of the above mentioned things and get a thirteen second car. Ultimately it's up to you to decide. However, if it were me and I were starting out with a stock EF to build up, I would absolutely go with a d16 vtec motor and run a turbo, if you get a good unit on your own you can put arp rod bolts in, freshen the bottom end, and put some budget forged pistons in with a little lower compression(scat). The mainstream turbo kit is complete from top to bottom so you won't have to worry about scrambling to come up with the dough for injectors, miscellaneous shit, etc.

[BABY J]

that mother fucker used to work for me what the hell are you talking about.

And the relevance there is??? You called me out AFTER he did. (which I have NO problem with being educated in this game...) THAT'S what I am talking about.

[BABY J]

YAWL TOTALLY RUINED THIS THREAD. YAWL TOOK IT WAY TOO SIRIUS. LETS HAVE A BUILD OFF THEN LIKE THEY DID WITH THE B-SERIES SHOOTOUT. WHO CAN BUILD THE FAST EF/EG FOR THE LEAST AMOUNT OF MONEY, GET THE CLOSEST GUESS TO HOW MUCH HP AND WHAT KINDA TIMES THEIR PROJECT WILL MAKE/RUN.

So Mike automatically wins. What's the fun in that? And outside of me, who has an xtra EF shell that's willing to contribute? Easier said than done. And SOME1 will cheat (prolly me). LOL

[Vteckidd]

this thread just got way off track, i still havent seen any SERIOUS comments.

im voting D16 Turbo for ease, relaiblity, cost, etc

[mumbles]

And the relevance there is??? You called me out AFTER he did. (which I have NO problem with being educated in this game...) THAT'S what I am talking about.

whatever man. keep reading your magazines and talking about shit you have no idea about. and relevance is that vtekkid used to work for me and we both exchange information and you can read as many magazines and web sites you want and not catch up to us in hands on knowledge of motors

[BABY J]

My vote...

REFRESH BLOCK

Z6 TOP

100 SHOT WET

UBER/HONDATA

FULL BOLT-ONS

[BTEC]

So Mike automatically wins. What's the fun in that? And outside of me, who has an xtra EF shell that's willing to contribute? Easier said than done. And SOME1 will cheat (prolly me). LOL

I GOT ONE. MIKE GOT A COUPLE. I CAN TAKE A CRASH COURSE IN BOOSTING CARS 101 AND GET THOSE WHO NEED ONE FOR A SMALL FEE. lol!!!!

[mumbles]

my vote, gsr swap basic bolt ons. learn to drive. very reliable and you don't to worry about a boost creep blowing your motor for you on your way to work.

[BTEC]

this thread just got way off track, i still havent seen any SERIOUS comments.

im voting D16 Turbo for ease, relaiblity, cost, etc

I SAID B16, BOLT ONS AND NITROUS. IF U CAN DRIVE I THINK U CAN GET LOW 13'S.

[Vteckidd]

Baby J, man, im not a master engine builder, im not a master mechanic. i will hold my skills against anyone elses, lots of poeple just think i sit behind a desk, but hey, i really could care less what they think. people that KNOW me, KNOW me. an they know i need lots of loctite.

the rest are just jealous or haters. i have a head full of knowledge, because i learned frmo the best.

but, in all reality, im good at what i do, which is sales, consultation, marketing, product development, occasional labor work/engine building.

i dont build motors for customers anymore, i strictly do it for close personal friends. I do it for fun, for enjoyment, for boredom. To prove a point.

there are other people with more experience on this board, or do the same thing i do like bee, danny, spoolin, etc. in an engine building contest, NA, ill be arrogant and say ill win, cause out of anyone in this thread i have built the highest whp out of you, but for a turbo motor, i would side wiht spoolin or BTEC, as they have more knowledge hehe

[BABY J]

whatever man. keep reading your magazines and talking about shit you have no idea about. and relevance is that vtekkid used to work for me and we both exchange information and you can read as many magazines and web sites you want and not catch up to us in hands on knowledge of motors

And I never will!! I am not a grease-monkey, do not claim to be, and do not want to be. I'ma "drop it off, call the bank and enjoy" type. I make too much money to trade off. But I do respect those that know. But I still can't be BSd on much when I am swiping my plastic... I assure you. No offense to you, and I hope none was taken.

[BABY J]

my vote, gsr swap basic bolt ons. learn to drive. very reliable and you don't to worry about a boost creep blowing your motor for you on your way to work.

Hey Mumbles... 13 second capable???? Maybe... I think it's a stretch. I dunno.

[BTEC]

Baby J, man, im not a master engine builder, im not a master mechanic. i will hold my skills against anyone elses, lots of poeple just think i sit behind a desk, but hey, i really could care less what they think. people that KNOW me, KNOW me. an they know i need lots of loctite.

the rest are just jealous or haters. i have a head full of knowledge, because i learned frmo the best.

but, in all reality, im good at what i do, which is sales, consultation, marketing, product development, occasional labor work/engine building.

i dont build motors for customers anymore, i strictly do it for close personal friends. I do it for fun, for enjoyment, for boredom. To prove a point.

there are other people with more experience on this board, or do the same thing i do like bee, danny, spoolin, etc. in an engine building contest, NA, ill be arrogant and say ill win, cause out of anyone in this thread i have built the highest whp out of you, but for a turbo motor, i would side wiht spoolin or BTEC, as they have more knowledge hehe

HOLY SHIT, HE KNOWS ME. ALMOST AS GOOD AS MICHEAL JACKSON SAYING WHATS UP TO ME (BEFORE HE STARTING TOUCHING KIDS).

[speedminded]

Let's built a couple rat rods out of donated IA shit and go race! Pair of shells, couple d-series...doesn't matter if the finish line is 17 or 18 seconds away!

[mumbles]

Hey Mumbles... 13 second capable???? Maybe... I think it's a stretch. I dunno.

an ef chasis is lite as fuck and i personaly could get that to run 13's. hints the comment learn to drive.

[1civic]

once again you guys are ALL TALK. show me an NA EF with a B!8B LS that is running 13s, please post a timeslip.

Im not bragging, im stating FACTS. I KNOW what it takes to make an all motor car make power, i know what it takes to make a d sereis Turbo , i know what it takes to make a turbo B series, i have unlimited dyno sheets of all different setups an whp ranges.

This is not the first time i have been questioned, but in the end im always the one with PROOF, no one else has any.

if you can anme me an ALL MOTOR CAR THAT MAKES MORE POWER THAN MY OLD MOTOR, BRING IT HERE, B SERIES/H SERIES, I DONT GIVE A FUCK, I WILL PAY $100 TO SOMEONE THAT MAKES MORE THAN I DID.

the only cars that could have beat my old crx was a turbo car or V8, no NA honda was worth my time, period, maybe AccordM3, thats it.

Mike you got a Big ass Piss stream you know it... I said Clearly...Not pointing any fingers.... I no longer own this car and sorry no slip...They went with it..
1/8 and 1/4 mile is my game... I work to them not some highway..Sry..
And for you being such a Smart ass...I guess I need to build another one..
Oh and Ask Kevin what happen down low With My "STOCK" B16 EG...That was lately... "He would have got Drug On Spray"
Hp got me on the TopEnd...Once again was over 105+mph...You will never have a car that traps over 120 so...And I'm saying you....Not anyone elses cars... Both cars you built have No Lowend power...WTF... I raced you with the stock B16 and I hit the Speed cut..You pulled yes...Thats on the topend After 115 mph.....Run that car from a Dig or Kevins from a Dig... You will get Drug..I promiss...This was Not Sopose to be Whos Dicks Bigger.. You jumped so This is my jump back... You Don't have a Car to run and its been well over 30 days...And I'm still waiting on that race Also... We can have a Bobby Vs Mike Night... Cool with me... I don't get mad over stuipd shit, I just like to Race... .. You know I'm talker...Just like you.. .. Be happy Mike...Its just street Racing...

[BTEC]

Let's built a couple rat rods out of donated IA shit and go race! Pair of shells, couple d-series...doesn't matter if the finish line is 17 or 18 seconds away!

I ALREADY SUGGESTED THAT ASSHOLE. GET UR OWN IDEAS

[BABY J]

an ef chasis is lite as fuck and i personaly could get that to run 13's. hints the comment learn to drive.

Kool. Good enuff for me.

[99SI]

bitches ain't nothing but tricks and ho's

[Vteckidd]

you like to talk about cars you beat. yet you have no proof

Bobby, for the last time, i dont have to prove i know more, I KNOW THAT I KNOW MORE.

YOU SAID YOU BEAT KEIRONS CAR, I PROVED YOU WRONG. I WAS PULLING YOU WELL BEFORE IT WAS 105mph. ADMIT IT, i was EASILY .5-1car ahead. Now, it was close, but why dont you tell the whole story. it was a GUTTED OUT EF hatch back with ZERO INTERIOR vs a FULL INTERIOR, FULL WEIGHT ABS DC2 INTEGRA. you had 500-700lbs on his car. he only makes 200whp, you said your car made 150ish, so yeah 50whp more, 600lbs less, it was close i still won

mike +1
Bobby 0

Now you said you beat Kris car, which is Kierons brother, then, AFTER I BEAT YOU IN KEIRONS CAR, you apolagized and said "thats not the same car i was talking about"

Mike 2
Bobby 0

Kevins car isnt impressive, for the last fucking time, ITS A NITROUS CAR WITH NO NITROUS. its like building a 9:1 compression sleeved GSR, an running no turbo. its slow, so you beat a 170whp CRX, wow, CONGRATUFUCKINGLATIONS. go race GGPIS3, see if you can hang with him, i beat him off the bottle. BOth cars we have have no bottome end power? lol WTF, come dyno your B16, an ill post the TQ graphs. you are comparing a GUTTED OUT CHASSIS to full interior chassiss. you simply have no idea what you are talking about. Keirons makes 136TQ frmo 3000-8000 rpms, looks like a supercharged car, please, show me a tq graph like that on an NA car. no bottom end power, thats really funny

Mike 3
Bobby 0

I have DNO PROOF OF SEANS MOTOR THAT I BUILT MAKING 185whp, i can post the dyno. I have vouches that i built hte motor personally. cna you post a dyno of ANY MOTOR YOU HAVE EVER BUILT besides the NA LS? nope. sorry man, all talk, no proof.

Mike 4
Bobby 0

The NA LS you said you built that never maxed power out, an made more power than our LS, i posted the dyno, i was right, we made more, with less mods.

Mike 5
Bobby 0

YOu said EJALLMOTAs car COULDNT be reringed without honing. i did it, it doesnt smoke a drop, made 152whp YESTERDAY with a CTR header. str8 LS with 403s

Mike 5
Bobby 0

your right about 1 thing, i have no car to race yet. the stuff i build takes time. You can race me when im done, trust me, ill be calling for you. but please, dont try an make yourself sound bigger becuase you beat kevs 170whp car, beat something FAST and ill be impressed. so far, you have a 240 with an RB that dynoed at our shop an i know hat it makes. its a nice car, but please tell me that isnt your only claim to fame.

i never jumped you, stop thinking i singled you out, an you made the first comment not me. i live my life based on PROOF, not "he said she siad".

[BABY J]

You Don't have a Car to run and its been well over 30 days...And I'm still waiting on that race Also...

Got nothing at stake in you and Mike's race, but this comment is irrelevant. You were the 1st to say that not every1 wants the spotlight or some shit. Well, not every1 rushes their projects for the sake of "satisfying" people from IA. There people on the board that's DRIVEN/SEEN ALL of my cars, and there are people who have only seen my daily. I really can give 2 shits about who thinks I am "slowplaying" b/c racing is what I do outside of my career and my daughter. It's "extra" non-manditory shit. Do not knock some1 for not having something to race "currently", some people's pockets are more nervous than others, and some people are in between projects. Not tryna flame, just saying.

[Vteckidd]

once again this is going to turn into bobby vs mike, i coud really care less man, say whatever you want. our cars an mine speak for themselves

[BTEC]

once again this is going to turn into bobby vs mike, i coud really care less man, say whatever you want. our cars an mine speak for themselves

I CHALANGE BOTH U BABBLING ASS BITCHES. BRING A CAR TO THE TRACK ADN RUN ME. I GOT GREEN STAMPS THAT SAY OLE SMOKEY WILL TAKE THE WIN. WHAT NOW (1CIVIC THIS IS FOR YOU TOO).

U CAN GO GET UR NEIGHBORS MUSTANG WITH 8000WHP AND ILL KICK ITS ASS WITH U DRIVING, IT DNT MATTER BOYS.

[Vteckidd]

no im too scared of jesse

[BABY J]

So uhhh, yeah halfwitt... Like we all said and agreed upon:

** motor from a 72 Ford Pinto (must be the wagon)

** tinted windows

** Cobb County Schools school-bus tranny (or Dekalb, try Cobb 1st)

** 99 Si wheels

** convert to AWD

and you're in the 13s.

[BTEC]

no im too scared of jesse

OK MIKE ADMITTED IT. NOW ITS UR TURN 1CIVC

[BABY J]

no im too scared of jesse

I'm scared of Mike w/ NO car... and Mike is scared of BTEC... so I guess BTEC > BABYJ

[BTEC]

I'm scared of Mike w/ NO car... and Mike is scared of BTEC... so I guess BTEC > BABYJ

OH SO NOW U WANNA ACT LIKE U DIDNT KNOW THAT? NICE TRY

[Vteckidd]

oh an yes i said 30days, but , then i had a change of heart, and decided to build something else. my car will be out by tunerfest. i have alot of it in the mail, so when it gets here ill have tp put it together.

[1civic]

you like to talk about cars you beat. yet you have no proof

Bobby, for the last time, i dont have to prove i know more, I KNOW THAT I KNOW MORE.

YOU SAID YOU BEAT KEIRONS CAR, I PROVED YOU WRONG. I WAS PULLING YOU WELL BEFORE IT WAS 105mph. ADMIT IT, i was EASILY .5-1car ahead. Now, it was close, but why dont you tell the whole story. it was a GUTTED OUT EF hatch back with ZERO INTERIOR vs a FULL INTERIOR, FULL WEIGHT ABS DC2 INTEGRA. you had 500-700lbs on his car. he only makes 200whp, you said your car made 150ish, so yeah 50whp more, 600lbs less, it was close i still won

mike +1
Bobby 0

Now you said you beat Kris car, which is Kierons brother, then, AFTER I BEAT YOU IN KEIRONS CAR, you apolagized and said "thats not the same car i was talking about"

Mike 2
Bobby 0

Kevins car isnt impressive, for the last fucking time, ITS A NITROUS CAR WITH NO NITROUS. its like building a 9:1 compression sleeved GSR, an running no turbo. its slow, so you beat a 170whp CRX, wow, CONGRATUFUCKINGLATIONS. go race GGPIS3, see if you can hang with him, i beat him off the bottle. BOth cars we have have no bottome end power? lol WTF, come dyno your B16, an ill post the TQ graphs. you are comparing a GUTTED OUT CHASSIS to full interior chassiss. you simply have no idea what you are talking about. Keirons makes 136TQ frmo 3000-8000 rpms, looks like a supercharged car, please, show me a tq graph like that on an NA car. no bottom end power, thats really funny

Mike 3
Bobby 0

I have DNO PROOF OF SEANS MOTOR THAT I BUILT MAKING 185whp, i can post the dyno. I have vouches that i built hte motor personally. cna you post a dyno of ANY MOTOR YOU HAVE EVER BUILT besides the NA LS? nope. sorry man, all talk, no proof.

Mike 4
Bobby 0

The NA LS you said you built that never maxed power out, an made more power than our LS, i posted the dyno, i was right, we made more, with less mods.

Mike 5
Bobby 0

YOu said EJALLMOTAs car COULDNT be reringed without honing. i did it, it doesnt smoke a drop, made 152whp YESTERDAY with a CTR header. str8 LS with 403s

Mike 5
Bobby 0

your right about 1 thing, i have no car to race yet. the stuff i build takes time. You can race me when im done, trust me, ill be calling for you. but please, dont try an make yourself sound bigger becuase you beat kevs 170whp car, beat something FAST and ill be impressed. so far, you have a 240 with an RB that dynoed at our shop an i know hat it makes. its a nice car, but please tell me that isnt your only claim to fame.

i never jumped you, stop thinking i singled you out, an you made the first comment not me. i live my life based on PROOF, not "he said she siad".

Mike You make Claims All over the Boards...NOT me...Sry.. You always have Smart ass Comments Towards People...Read Your own Post...The Shit gets Old... Also Bring All these People out at One Time..We will Race since You claim they Won Everything... Story was you never showed up to race me..Your ass was at the House... Also Adam Told me once we where there that wasn't the car..."You were not there"...We talked to all them people waiting on you..NO SHOW... You called me out and I had to find your ass...lol.. I could give a Shit what anyone thinks of me on this Board.. I don't have to Post some bullshit ass Piece of paper..Sry.. How the Hell would you know it was real..Dumb Ass... Come Race...Damn the E-thug Bullshit... Race your car not your Mouth... I'm ready Hell Why not.... .. All in fun...Sry for the Bad words.. ...lol...

[IntegraXTR]

wow, just got done reading all of this, how did it go from telling halfwit advise to arguing back and forth about motors/power.

SOHC Turbo ftw!

[1civic]

OK MIKE ADMITTED IT. NOW ITS UR TURN 1CIVC

BTEC Is My Daddy.... ....

[Vteckidd]

Mike You make Claims All over the Boards...NOT me...Sry.. You always have Smart ass Comments Towards People...Read Your own Post...The Shit gets Old... Also Bring All these People out at One Time..We will Race since You claim they Won Everything... Story was you never showed up to race me..Your ass was at the House... Also Adam Told me once we where there that wasn't the car..."You were not there"...We talked to all them people waiting on you..NO SHOW... You called me out and I had to find your ass...lol.. I could give a Shit what anyone thinks of me on this Board....Sry.. How the Hell would you know it was real..Dumb Ass... Come Race...Damn the E-thug Bullshit... Race your car not your Mouth... I'm ready Hell Why not.... .. All in fun...Sry for the Bad words.. ...lol...

bitch I CALLED KEIRON AN TOLD HIM TO BRING YOU TO MY HOUSE. i went to the Varsity, you werent there, so i left. then keiron told me you were there, an i told him TO BRING YOU TO MY HOUSE.

i never showed up, please shut the fuck up, you run your mouth more than anyone.

IM NOT MAKING CLAIMS IDIOT, IM STATING FACTS, SHIT I HAVE DONE, SHIT I KNOW AN CAN PROVE FOR A FACT. I CAN BACK UP AN PROVE EVERYTHING I POSTED , I BEAT YOU, ME DRIVING KEIRONS CAR I WON. NOW YOU WANT TO ACT LIKE IT DIDNT HAPPEN.

you dont like me, OH WELL, ill still sleep at night, some people think im an asshole, well, thats there problem. i seem to get along with other people fine. if i have a crass attitude, you should see the shit i deal with everyday. sorry man, like it or love it, i aint changing to make you feel better.

I don't have to Post some bullshit ass Piece of paper

thats all i need to see, you cant cause you dont CARE ENOUGH TO DYNO your car, or, you dont have a slip anyways. thanks, and have a great day.

[sirhatch1030]

i had a 90 si with a b16 and bolt ons and a 75 shot (drykit) car weighting in at 2500 pounds with me in it on bfg,s and a jdm si tranny and ran a 13.3 all day long. also had a freind with a ls crx running 13.7 all day long with bolt ons and a 75 kit . so i say go with a b serries and some gas . and mine was my dd for a year and still ran good when i pulled the motor.

[BABY J]

some people think im an asshole

--> yeah, I think you are an asshole... but so do you.

well, thats there problem. i seem to get along with other people fine.

--> you do NOT get along w/ people, we "tolerate" you b/c we ALMOST like you

if i have a crass attitude, you should see the shit i deal with everyday.

--> I'ma computer engineer for the Dept of Defense... you haven't dealt with SHIT!!! LOL

sorry man, like it or love it, i aint changing to make you feel better.

--> you change to make me feel better, why not him? LOL

[BTEC]

BTEC Is My Daddy.... ....

THERE U HAVE IT FOLKS, MIKE JAWNZ, BABY J AND 1CIVIC KNOWS WHAT THE DEAL IS. I SUGGEST U OTHER FUCKS TRY NOT TO FIND OUT THE HARD WAY BC THE WAY I TEACH ENVOLVES PAIN AND LOTS OF EMBARRASMENT. DO URSELF A FAVOR AND DNT TEST ME.

[1civic]

bitch I CALLED KEIRON AN TOLD HIM TO BRING YOU TO MY HOUSE. i went to the Varsity, you werent there, so i left. then keiron told me you were there, an i told him TO BRING YOU TO MY HOUSE.

i never showed up, please shut the fuck up, you run your mouth more than anyone.

IM NOT MAKING CLAIMS IDIOT, IM STATING FACTS, SHIT I HAVE DONE, SHIT I KNOW AN CAN PROVE FOR A FACT. I CAN BACK UP AN PROVE EVERYTHING I POSTED , I BEAT YOU, ME DRIVING KEIRONS CAR I WON. NOW YOU WANT TO ACT LIKE IT DIDNT HAPPEN.

you dont like me, OH WELL, ill still sleep at night, some people think im an asshole, well, thats there problem. i seem to get along with other people fine. if i have a crass attitude, you should see the shit i deal with everyday. sorry man, like it or love it, i aint changing to make you feel better.



thats all i need to see, you cant cause you dont CARE ENOUGH TO DYNO your car, or, you dont have a slip anyways. thanks, and have a great day.

Mike You came and went Huh... He had no clue where you went... It don't matter its done.. I lost at 115 mph... You Win.. Whats That car run in the 1/4 mile and the trap speed...lol.. I know I lost.. I said that... It was a Stock B16A Vs Your Built 202whp All motor.. ...
Did I say I did not like you...No, I said you are a Smart ass.. Looks bad On Mainstream... You Blow people Off...That Looks bad too... We have talked alot of times...Never had anything bad to say...Sry.. You can be cool when you want..... Just need to get off your high Horse sometimes thats all...
We will have are day soon...Just waiting on you to build another car...