BOOST VS N/A DEBATE: ROUND 1

[BABY J]

I disagree. When I raced the guys w/ the Power Tech Imports boosted Spec Vs in my Spec, I'd wax them. And also, 1 of them for SURE had 264 wheel compared to my 248 wheel. The others only had me by a couple of WHP.

[93H22ACX]

I disagree. When I raced the guys w/ the Power Tech Imports boosted Spec Vs in my Spec, I'd wax them. And also, 1 of them for SURE had 264 wheel compared to my 248 wheel. The others only had me by a couple of WHP.

did those guys know how to drive? and how was the race? roll, stop, freeway, how far was the race?

Just because you beat a car doesnt mean that that is how it will be all the time.

look at it this way...

nitrous in way is like an all motor setup.... compare it to both me and my buddy with a 3150lb prelude.

i had a prelude with a drag kit at 6psi vs my buddies prelude with a 55 shot of nitrous.

yeah he beat me from a stop but we only raced to 3rd gear. but, on the freeway and track wise, i would spank that ass...... i am sure it was around the same hp also.

so it depends on how far of a distance. like i said..

ONLY way to find out is to actually get a race and have the same driver drive it...thats the only way to find out

[BABY J]

I will assume that they were/are as competent as me. W/ short gears (6 speed) maybe the Spec V is not the best choice for boost, but the PTI turbo spools crazy fast... so I dunno. I do know that most of the guys w/ the kit were laying down from 240 - 265 wheel depending on other supporting mods and tuning... and that was at Denver altitude even. I am sure if we went all out that the boosted Spec Vs would walk me up top (qr25 claim to fame is torque, not revs). But mine is limited to 7500 and stock is 6700). The PTI guys' piggy back still doesn't mod the factory rev limit of 6700 so you may be on to something... actually my wins may be based on what VTECKID said as far as not having to shift as soon/often as those guys. I have done pulls at almost every RPM and pulled those boosted Specs, but of course we cut the fun just like every1 else does once you prove your point.

[93H22ACX]

i see... good thread though....

[SPOOLIN]

I know that when i had 450hp, and josh green had his 202whp all motor. when i put it in 3rd and we went, he jumped like 2 cars, but then, yes then, i raped that ass. but that is a big power contrast. all motor has its fun but when it comes to drag racing. Im siding of course with FI. Turbo lag is bullshit. Yeah it might lag, in first gear. but after that its BAM BAM BAM

[BABY J]

I know that when i had 450hp, and josh green had his 202whp all motor. when i put it in 3rd and we went, he jumped like 2 cars, but then, yes then, i raped that ass. but that is a big power contrast. all motor has its fun but when it comes to drag racing. Im siding of course with FI. Turbo lag is bullshit. Yeah it might lag, in first gear. but after that its BAM BAM BAM

Fuck you Puto!! Showoff!!! LOL. I got somethin coming... stay tuned.

[Vteckidd]

I know that when i had 450hp, and josh green had his 202whp all motor. when i put it in 3rd and we went, he jumped like 2 cars, but then, yes then, i raped that ass. but that is a big power contrast. all motor has its fun but when it comes to drag racing. Im siding of course with FI. Turbo lag is bullshit. Yeah it might lag, in first gear. but after that its BAM BAM BAM

thats also a HIGHWAY race. Highway will go to the turbo car, they got higher trap speeds.

Take a 240whp 1800lb CRX vs a 500whp EK Hatch

At the track where both use slicks, it would be a good race, but i think the EK would win. On the street the NA car will destroy the boosted car from a dig because of traction, on the highway the turbo car ownz.

[93H22ACX]

thats also a HIGHWAY race. Highway will go to the turbo car, they got higher trap speeds.

Take a 240whp 1800lb CRX vs a 500whp EK Hatch

At the track where both use slicks, it would be a good race, but i think the EK would win. On the street the NA car will destroy the boosted car from a dig because of traction, on the highway the turbo car ownz.

yeah thats what im saying LOL. wassup mike where u be at

[B18c1Turboed]

thats also a HIGHWAY race. Highway will go to the turbo car, they got higher trap speeds.

Take a 240whp 1800lb CRX vs a 500whp EK Hatch

At the track where both use slicks, it would be a good race, but i think the EK would win. On the street the NA car will destroy the boosted car from a dig because of traction, on the highway the turbo car ownz.

When ever you want test that theory out let me know!!! U know where to find me!!

[Hondatwin23]

i smell a race brewing !

[Vteckidd]

When ever you want test that theory out let me know!!! U know where to find me!!

RIght now the only car we can test is my 108hp CRX SI vs your minivan. so.....



but i would put $500 on my new motor vs your old gsr

[B18c1Turboed]

RIght now the only car we can test is my 108hp CRX SI vs your minivan. so.....



but i would put $500 on my new motor vs your old gsr

MiniVan? you must be thinking of bee!! HAHA srorry Bee


On my old motor the car was never fully tuned, we only tuned it at 21psi and it was 524, so if i knew i was racing for 500 bet your ass it would have been back on the dyno tuned at 35psi.

But i will race the new motor also,when you get it toghter!!! And u can race my new motor also. Oh NO POPPING HOOD run what you BRUNG!!!

[BABY J]

No point in calling out Mike yet... he's not ready. But every1 knows he's good for it, so there's no point to prove just yet. Take ya time, dial it in Mike. Every1 will get their shot at you... including me.

[B18c1Turboed]

No point in calling out Mike yet... he's not ready. But every1 knows he's good for it, so there's no point to prove just yet. Take ya time, dial it in Mike. Every1 will get their shot at you... including me.

Yea i guess there is no point since Mike only street races, I never saw his HIGHEST HP CAR IN GA at any tracks or show any numbers track wise.

Anybody can street race, all you have to do is drop a gear and floor it. the real racers prove it at the tracks!!

[BABY J]

Yea i guess there is no point since Mike only street races, I never saw his HIGHEST HP CAR IN GA at any tracks or show any numbers track wise.

Outside of Tom @ Acura/Honda and a few other SSIDE peeps no1 has seen my 95 Si (DOHC), and only a handful have seen my Spec V. Most have seen my EF and my 92 Si (SOHC). There is a reason for that. I'm not on his (MIkes) nuts, but I know that I have PLENTY of secrets and I sandbag a LOT too. Everything is not what it seems, just a thought. The Carolina Dragway kats prolly have seen ALL of my cars, that's where I tune. Some people like to showcase, and some do not. But I do think Mike needs to lay it all to rest w/ a track run this time... but at the same time, if he's like me he likes to keep 'em guessing.

Anybody can street race, all you have to do is drop a gear and floor it. the real racers prove it at the tracks!!

SWING -->AND A MISS!!!! Both take skill... you VHT gurus have a lot to learn about launching on the street... it takes LOTS of skill to launch on the street repsectively. And it ALSO takes a lot of skill to tree at the track, and launch on a prepped surface. Most people are great at one, and only good at the other. VERY few people are the shit at both b/c they are exact opposites.

[Vteckidd]

Danny knows im just fucking with him.

hes right, im not a track racer, i never have been, i dont have the money to be competitive an it just doesnt interest me.

i love you danny

[93H22ACX]

Danny knows im just fucking with him.

hes right, im not a track racer, i never have been, i dont have the money to be competitive an it just doesnt interest me.

i love you danny

mike...thats why you said i can run yours at NDRA right

[Vteckidd]

actually yeah, i told Bee that he could drive it, cause i didnt want to break anything on it LOL.

but that motor is LONG gone. DO i regret selling it, no, do i regret not getting a track time on it, yes. It was fast, but only i know that, no one will ever know how fast it really was because only i drove it.

oh well, such is life.

[Stormhammer]

now you guys are talking about traction - if a turbo car loses traction, its because the driver fucking sucks

[B18c1Turboed]

[QUOTE=BABY J]Outside of Tom @ Acura/Honda and a few other SSIDE peeps no1 has seen my 95 Si (DOHC), and only a handful have seen my Spec V. Most have seen my EF and my 92 Si (SOHC). There is a reason for that. I'm not on his (MIkes) nuts, but I know that I have PLENTY of secrets and I sandbag a LOT too. Everything is not what it seems, just a thought. The Carolina Dragway kats prolly have seen ALL of my cars, that's where I tune. Some people like to showcase, and some do not. But I do think Mike needs to lay it all to rest w/ a track run this time... but at the same time, if he's like me he likes to keep 'em guessing.[QUOTE]



LIKE TI says BRING IT OUT!!! Dont be scared, you dont have to go too another state to test and tune.I mean come on thats funny by itself!!

Dont matter how many secrets you have up your sleeve, if u cant bring it out and show anyone its pointless. I have a ferrari i never drive it becasue i have secrets up my sleeve for it also!!!

[Vteckidd]

not true at all, wtf are you smoking, Turbo car on street tires or my NA car spun through 3rd, it wasnt cause i was a "shitty driver"

[B18c1Turboed]

now you guys are talking about traction - if a turbo car loses traction, its because the driver fucking sucks

DING D ING DING!
The way you control traction in a turbo car, Turn the BOOST DOWN!!!!

Thats what i do, but i guess haveing a 4 stage boost controller helps alot too!!!!

[93H22ACX]

DING D ING DING!
The way you control traction in a turbo car, Turn the BOOST DOWN!!!!

Thats what i do, but i guess haveing a 4 stage boost controller helps alot too!!!!

not really... i mean even if you turn the boost down it'll still have traction issues unless its real low. if thats the case, then no point of being turbo.

even all motor cars have traction issues

[B18c1Turboed]

not really... i mean even if you turn the boost down it'll still have traction issues unless its real low. if thats the case, then no point of being turbo

Shut up son! Go to your room and think about talking back to your daddy like that!!!

[93H22ACX]

Shut up son! Go to your room and think about talking back to your daddy like that!!!

HAHAHHA :holds hand up right hand and bitch slap left check of danny: ahahahah

LOL

[B18c1Turboed]

HAHAHHA :holds hand up right hand and bitch slap left check of danny: ahahahah

LOL

oh really? so whos slicks where you coming to get tonight?

[93H22ACX]

oh really? so whos slicks where you coming to get tonight?

:confused:

[BABY J]

LIKE TI says BRING IT OUT!!! Dont be scared, you dont have to go too another state to test and tune. I mean come on thats funny by itself!! Dont matter how many secrets you have up your sleeve, if u cant bring it out and show anyone its pointless. I have a ferrari i never drive it becasue i have secrets up my sleeve for it also!!!

And this is proof that we race/tune for different reasons...

1) I was stationed at Shaw AFB for my last 3 years in the Air Force, I have came to love/know that track (Carolina Dragway).

** not to mention, times that show up on that board do not end up on IA before you are ready for them to, even though a lot of members of IA are there... those guys respect "test and tune" for what it is.

2) It's really a short drive, and I can run as much as I want w/out waiting in line

3) I have no need to "show-off" for the masses. Actually when I had my first few fast projects that's what I did. I am past that stage. I tune b/c I enjoy it... and as long as I enjoy it, that's all that matters. But whooping up on kats on the street is fun too, don't get me wrong.

4) As far as showing NE1, there are a few select people on (and off) the board to vouch for my projects. I literally have 2 more projects (finishing the EF, and a Datsun 510) and then I am outta the game anyway. It's been a good time though, and I will always keep 1 or 2 decent projects in the stable. I will find another stupid place to waste a lotta money... LOL.

[iloveboost]

Cliff notes of thread: Turbo to go fast.

And whoever said someone is a bad driver because their car breaks loose is an idiot. My car will break loose and still own you any day of the week.

[BABY J]

Cliff notes of thread: Turbo to go fast.

And whoever said someone is a bad driver because their car breaks loose is an idiot. My car will break loose and still own you any day of the week.

uh oh!

[The Golden Child]

bitch i have a 1324986384713712372193 hp car that is in the basement and spank all you punks ..






j.k.

[BABY J]

not true at all, wtf are you smoking, Turbo car on street tires or my NA car spun through 3rd, it wasnt cause i was a "shitty driver"

Uh huh!! You know you suck! All of your friends told me so! But it's a secret, and I told them that I'd never tell you.

[TIGERJC]

Na all day long, I really want a k series swap civic.

[The Golden Child]

Na all day long, I really want a k series swap civic.

turbo k or na k ??

[TIGERJC]

na k

[Ludester]

On a street car? If so thats retarded. Have fun putting race gas in all the time!

The point I was trying to get across was that n/a guys have to worry about the same things that boost guys have to worry about excluding the boost. It has nothing to do with 14:1cr number I though out there. Everybody that knows anything knows 12.5:1 is the threash hold for pump gas. And even at that cr denotation is still a bitch. Thats all.

[BABY J]

The point I was trying to get across was that n/a guys have to worry about the same things that boost guys have to worry about excluding the boost. It has nothing to do with 14:1cr number I though out there. Everybody that knows anything knows 12.5:1 is the threash hold for pump gas. And even at that cr denotation is still a bitch. Thats all.

Actually every1 DOESN'T know that. want proof, make a poll ON THIS SITE (full of "car guys") and see what people guess. You'd be surprised. Hardly NE1 runs that high compression, so no1 really has that knowledge in their head.

[Stormhammer]

Actually every1 DOESN'T know that. want proof, make a poll ON THIS SITE (full of "car guys") and see what people guess. You'd be surprised. Hardly NE1 runs that high compression, so no1 really has that knowledge in their head.

well that may also be because its also not a plausible setup for a street car

and by street car in my definition I mean you drive it daily ( or almost )

[BABY J]

^^ I agree. But I know a few Team Rush (Columbia, SC) guys that do it. They own a few hundred nail salons, so they got the loot for crap like that. Must be nice.

[Jaimecbr900]

This thread has a lot of potential, but J you have to clarify a couple of things IMO.

#1. Define "engineering" as it relates to this thread. I'm sure we can all give examples of some very intricate and complex turbo setups that required a ton of R&D, a ton of $, and a ton of engineering. Look at many of the race cars at the track.

#2. If you held everything the same (ie. car model, weight, driver), most N/A cars can not hang with it's turbo clone unless the race is specifically designed to have an advantage to one vs the other. In other words, if you race two clone cars (one turbo, one N/A) in a tight close course where HP is not the name of the game.....there is no advantage of course. Now, race the same two cars in a straight line or on the highway and it's lights out soon enough. There are exceptions to this of course, but more often than not it's true.

#3. Unless you buy your "turbo kit" off ebay......most of the time it takes a little more than merely "turning up the boost" to make more HP. This is why some "kits" make more HP on similar cars than do others. It's about engineering and tuning. You can pick from probably 50 different kinds of turbos right off the shelf for a Honda, but try and find one for my car.... So a "kit" for my car has to have a lot more "engineering" than just an off the shelf piece that uses a plain ole cast manifold, T3/T4 turbo, and a no name brand I/C. Know what I mean? There are a lot of custom setups on the street right now, around here, that are feats of engineering if you really want to look at it.


Yes, it is easier to make more HP with a turbo vs N/A. Yes, you can throw together a turbo kit of course, just like you can throw a bunch of nitrous in just about any car. Yes, it is harder to make an N/A car put out serious HP for a lot of reasons but the main one is......ALL engines use the exact same theory to make power REGARDLESS of N/A or FI or N2O. The biggest difference being that in the N/A motor it has to be done with more parts than doing it with FI.

I still like big balls (ie. big torque) N/A motors in the domestic muscle cars. They're bad ass. I've been on both sides of the fence, and if it's not big displacement, give me FI.