appreciate the post..i'm familiar with the shop...i installed it at Lexus witha buddy that works there...just tryin to figure hte problem out before i go up there next weekend..can't bet free especially since i replaced the cat and spent some time on my back with a buddy to take off the rustly stock exhaust and all the rusted and rounded off bolts and installed a used cat and a new exhaust system in 30mins...not hard to do but just easier on a lift

and after some research on Honda Tech and talking to Scotty at mainstream...the civics only have 1 hanging on the mid pipe...

all i have to do is loosen or tighten the bolts to make any adjustments and also swap the pipe ends..because it can be bolted on backwards and thats probably hte main problem

thanks for all the input guys..i will post pics and the solotion to this once its done