ok, well heres an update... ive borowed my buddy's 8500 and ive come to the conclusion that it sucks... ive been pulled over with the radar on for speeding and he got me with a radar... not a lazer, i had cops come up on me with no radar warning, i past cops radaringpeople with no warning till i was about 20 feet before the cops... now gratned it did save me a few times. which im very happy for, but all in all... i think it sucks. and also with the false warnings... dam, it basically went off on every door and security sensor. thats my final thought on the escort 8500