trying to buy anti-sway bars

[02lx]

Ok the sway bars that I want are 1" in the front and 13/16" in the rear, I know that is still as hell, that is what I want. But my main question is one says with rear bar and the other says without rear bar, what the hell are they talking about, so some of the 7th gen civics have sway bars already there?

[yerrow]

I know that is still as hell

huh?

[Mleach]

yes.

look under you car. It probably does not have a sway bar. Find out, and order the bar with the description that corresponds to your current set up.

You really dont need a 1" front bar, you might the rear, but that all depends on what your trying to do with your car.

Please also add a proportional amount of spring rates to compensate for your over sprung bars. otherwise, say good buy to your subframes.

If you are really interested in learning about suspension setups check out

http://www.honda-tech.com/zeroforum?id=19

good luck!

[02lx]

so my best bet is to find out the current spring rate of my springs, and then decide how stiff of a strut bar I need?

my front spring rate is

kgf/mm,lbs/in
2.8/157, 5.2/291

My rear is
kgf/mm,lbs/in
-34,-1.3

[02lx]

huh?

I meant stiff as hell

[yudalicious]

so my best bet is to find out the current spring rate of my springs, and then decide how stiff of a strut bar I need?

my front spring rate is

kgf/mm,lbs/in
2.8/157, 5.2/291

My rear is
kgf/mm,lbs/in
-34,-1.3

How stiff of a strut bar? I assume you mean sway bar.
Anyway those spring rates you posted for the rear make no sense, negative?
2.8 kg/mm (157 lbs/in) and 5.2 kg/mm (291 lbs/in) seem to make alot more sense... although 291/157 front/rear sounds more reasonable than 157/291, what car do you drive anyway?

There's some very technical information out there on how stiff the swaybars should be in relation to your spring rates, but for the avg joe/daily car your best bet is to look up successful set ups people use for your car.

I personally would suggest better tires and better shocks and stiffer springs before you get sway bars. Just getting bigger sway bars will make your car feel flatter in big sweeping turns, but they ultimately might slow you down during transitions and often can be too stiff for the tires you use.

[02lx]

well I already got the springs, those are the spring rate for the tein S type (what I already have installed). I drive a 02 civic coupe. I ordered my upper strut bars and after christmas going to order my lower strut bar, and I also plan on getting some KYB adjustable struts. I am just looking to get the best cornering results as I can, I plan on putting a good amount of power in the car later on and I want to make sure that I will have a good sporty ride when I am finished.

[yudalicious]

I would highly suggest to forget the strut bars and buy a set of good (read: good, new doesn't always mean good) tires, in my honestt opinion chassis stiffening should be the last step as far as handling goes, and for a street car, I doubt you'll see any noticeable differences and unless you got cash lying 'round. You'll see the MOST difference from buying a good set of tires (and you can quote me on this). And Kumho 712 isn't good, it's just ok, just to give you an idea of what type of tires to look for.

[speedminded]

Please also add a proportional amount of spring rates to compensate for your over sprung bars. otherwise, say good buy to your subframes.
good luck!

yeahhh, nothing like ripping apart the welds on a unibody!