TBB'S ON A KA24DE? (PLEASE HELP)

**no turbo** · 12-01-2005, 06:08 PM

This was originaly on the all motor forum, but I thought I could get the answers I need here.
Hello. I'm 14 and I love drifting, but enough about me. Recently, I have aquired an absolute resentment for turbos; besides the lag and the heat, their expensive and they are not a real man's power adder. So, with my love for drifting and the early moddel S14 (byt the way, could someone post the meanings of zenki and kouki, Ihave only a slight understanding of them),I'm looking for individual throttle bodies ( the good ones with velocity stacks). I have searched this very helpful, yet sometimes horrid thing we call internet, yet I cannot find anything; just some that can make a costom part, yet that would be costly, both in money and time. Could anyone help me?

........ these things are cool, unlike an SR20DET, or a new XBOX 360 (PS3 rules!).

P.S. Im a Nissan enthusiast, so question me on anything Nissan.

**Nopaintsls** · 12-01-2005, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by no turbo

This was originaly on the all motor forum, but I thought I could get the answers I need here.
Hello. I'm 14 and I love drifting, but enough about me. Recently, I have aquired an absolute resentment for turbos; besides the lag and the heat, their expensive and they are not a real man's power adder. So, with my love for drifting and the early moddel S14 (byt the way, could someone post the meanings of zenki and kouki, Ihave only a slight understanding of them),I'm looking for individual throttle bodies ( the good ones with velocity stacks). I have searched this very helpful, yet sometimes horrid thing we call internet, yet I cannot find anything; just some that can make a costom part, yet that would be costly, both in money and time. Could anyone help me?

........ these things are cool, unlike an SR20DET, or a new XBOX 360 (PS3 rules!).

P.S. Im a Nissan enthusiast, so question me on anything Nissan.

woah wowah woah... 14 and you drive?!?!?! :confused: how about you save up all your money/change/allowance for like a couple years untill you get your liscense then come and ask questions... but I don't know wat your talkin bout sorry I stopped reading when you said 14...

have a great day!

**sebastianHoff** · 12-02-2005, 02:20 AM

you should buy an sr20 or better yet an rb20de.

**XBLG20** · 12-02-2005, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by sebastianHoff

you should buy an sr20 or better yet an rb20de.

I saw a BAD ASS R32 with a RB20de with ITB, Heat wrapped Header and a bunch of other stuff and it was nothing to make fun of ... i would take that engine over a det anyday

**HiPSI** · 12-02-2005, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by no turbo

This was originaly on the all motor forum, but I thought I could get the answers I need here.
Hello. I'm 14 and I love drifting, but enough about me. Recently, I have aquired an absolute resentment for turbos; besides the lag and the heat, their expensive and they are not a real man's power adder. So, with my love for drifting and the early moddel S14 (byt the way, could someone post the meanings of zenki and kouki, Ihave only a slight understanding of them),I'm looking for individual throttle bodies ( the good ones with velocity stacks). I have searched this very helpful, yet sometimes horrid thing we call internet, yet I cannot find anything; just some that can make a costom part, yet that would be costly, both in money and time. Could anyone help me?

........ these things are cool, unlike an SR20DET, or a new XBOX 360 (PS3 rules!).

P.S. Im a Nissan enthusiast, so question me on anything Nissan.

ITB's are expensive, need a well built motor to really do anything with, and still won't make half the power of a mildly tuned turbo motor

. so for the cost of the ITB's and standalone EMS to run them, you could easily swap in a factory SR20DET, up the boost a little and have little to no lag on the stock turbo setup and make 230ish rwhp on pump gas. or, a low budget turbo KA using a T28 off of an SR and some low buck parts to put it all together would cost even less and still make more power than the KA with ITB's (pump gas vs. pump gas). to make that kind of power on the KA in NA trim would require at least 11:1 compression and the best gas you can get your hands on, and still not be as reliable as a mild SR or turbo KA. do you know what lag actually is or how it's affected by certain changes to the car? an SR with a T25 or BBT28 both spool very quickly, and when it comes to drifting lag isn't so much of an issue because you're generally putting your foot to the floor most of the time (although transient response will be better with a smaller turbo like the stock ones).

ITB's are great for complying with rules for different sanctioning bodies that don't allow swaps/turbo cars in their classes, but for every day street use the SR/RB's would take the win here in both power and reliability.

**HiPSI** · 12-02-2005, 08:49 AM

oh, and how can you have a resentment of something you obviously have no experience with?

**yudalicious** · 12-02-2005, 09:47 AM

thank you hipsi - and oh no turbo yea, have you ever drifted? Arent you getting a little aheadof yourself? Shouldnt you get something called a..err.. permit first? you're already thinking about itbs.. lol...

**no turbo** · 12-02-2005, 04:25 PM

Let me get the message straight. First, I do drift. The fabulous drift cars I have drifted are the 1994 Mercury Grand Marquis and the 1989 Toyota Pickup. I can drift them well in limited traction areas. (I even have video of my first drift when I was 13; it wasn't but a power over drift on grass, but I didn't spin out. And of all people to film it but my father, for after all, its his car) I turn 15 December 4, so I guess it's touge time (any good hills in Macon?). I would never take ti to the streets. Some of you think I do not know drifting. Well, I drift in videogames (GT4, DFP, 16 by 9, ha ha ha), I read all of the magazines, I go to the events, such as the southern fried slide and Formula D, I happen to have a knowlige of drifting and drift cars, and I have seen drift bible 20 times I bet. Oh, and I even have coveted drift autographs from the pens of: Chunky Bai, Kosuke Kida, Daijiro Yoshihara, Sam Hubinette, Mannabu Orido, Alex Phipher, Takahiro Oeno, And I think Ryuji Miki; Wasn't he the one in the Z33 at Nopi. This post is to long. Anyway, about the engine. I was there at the Southern Fried Slide when the Tiger racing s13 popped its manifold. I feel lag in GT4 and hear about it everywhere. Maybe its just my style to be without a turbo, but I will put more concideration into a turbo, most likely a KA24DET. And, in terms of itb's, can a Greddy E-Manage Ultimate not work. And those smiley faces and that videogame quote in my first post is just Gay.

**wantboost** · 12-02-2005, 04:40 PM

im glad you are a fan of drifting but please for the love of god dont do the following 1.use touge and macon GA in the same paragraph. menttion GT4 when refering to how turbo lag feels. and one minor point how will you do itb and a turbo?

**wantboost** · 12-02-2005, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by HiPSI

oh, and how can you have a resentment of something you obviously have no experience with?

^^^^ lol +1

**mocha latte cupcake** · 12-02-2005, 04:46 PM

check the Z tuned R34 for that one chief, it has 6 ITBs covered by a plenum fed by the turbos

**wantboost** · 12-02-2005, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Prince NISMO

check the Z tuned R34 for that one chief, it has 6 ITBs covered by a plenum fed by the turbos

but i doubt this kid has the money or fab skills

**mocha latte cupcake** · 12-02-2005, 04:50 PM

your o so right... turbo dave could probably make one but i'm sure he would need to sell a kidney, both testicles and a right arm for all of this... which means he's going to need more money for the right hand drive since he can't shift with the left on a left hand drive so when it all comes down to it, he's going to end up limbless but hey... he can say he has a cool car

**AFSil80** · 12-02-2005, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by no turbo

so I guess it's touge time (any good hills in Macon?)

You're kidding, right...

**EmotorsportsE** · 12-02-2005, 11:49 PM

Get a 240 first, then worry about how to drift it, and build it, maybe get a license first, yeah, do that.

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**HiPSI** · 12-03-2005, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by no turbo

Let me get the message straight. First, I do drift. The fabulous drift cars I have drifted are the 1994 Mercury Grand Marquis and the 1989 Toyota Pickup. I can drift them well in limited traction areas. (I even have video of my first drift when I was 13; it wasn't but a power over drift on grass, but I didn't spin out. And of all people to film it but my father, for after all, its his car) I turn 15 December 4, so I guess it's touge time (any good hills in Macon?). I would never take ti to the streets. Some of you think I do not know drifting. Well, I drift in videogames (GT4, DFP, 16 by 9, ha ha ha), I read all of the magazines, I go to the events, such as the southern fried slide and Formula D, I happen to have a knowlige of drifting and drift cars, and I have seen drift bible 20 times I bet. Oh, and I even have coveted drift autographs from the pens of: Chunky Bai, Kosuke Kida, Daijiro Yoshihara, Sam Hubinette, Mannabu Orido, Alex Phipher, Takahiro Oeno, And I think Ryuji Miki; Wasn't he the one in the Z33 at Nopi. This post is to long. Anyway, about the engine. I was there at the Southern Fried Slide when the Tiger racing s13 popped its manifold. I feel lag in GT4 and hear about it everywhere. Maybe its just my style to be without a turbo, but I will put more concideration into a turbo, most likely a KA24DET. And, in terms of itb's, can a Greddy E-Manage Ultimate not work. And those smiley faces and that videogame quote in my first post is just Gay.

in reality all of that = bunk as far as being a drifter. you may be an enthusiast but you are not yet a driver, don't confuse the two. you have autographs, i have on track experience

. can you feel the car sliding in GT4? do you have an e-brake/clutch to work along with the other controls? do you think the physics in that game are anywhere near what it's like in real life when you factor in tire size/width/compound/track temps/coarse or fine concrete and other external changes on the environment of the track? do you think the lag in GT4 is realistic?

as for Sam (Tiger) popping an intercooler coupling.... if you drift a car you WILL break it at some point. most breakages will be minor, like what happened to Sam will happen to pretty much every turbo car ever made, and it's an easy fix. an NA car is just as likely to break as a Turbo car.

**no turbo** · 12-03-2005, 12:52 PM

Okay, with much deliberation, I will accept a KA24DER. (supercharged for those who don't know). Your input?

And, I want to change my name....

No Turbo Taniguchi

**KoukiDrftr** · 12-03-2005, 12:58 PM

this kid is funny... i got a great suggestion about the gt4 turbo lag. buy a new car and do the na tune! or buy a new controller... maybe your x button is wearing out

**1439/2000** · 12-03-2005, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by no turbo

Let me get the message straight. First, I do drift. The fabulous drift cars I have drifted are the 1994 Mercury Grand Marquis and the 1989 Toyota Pickup. I can drift them well in limited traction areas. (I even have video of my first drift when I was 13; it wasn't but a power over drift on grass, but I didn't spin out. And of all people to film it but my father, for after all, its his car) I turn 15 December 4, so I guess it's touge time (any good hills in Macon?). I would never take ti to the streets. Some of you think I do not know drifting. Well, I drift in videogames (GT4, DFP, 16 by 9, ha ha ha), I read all of the magazines, I go to the events, such as the southern fried slide and Formula D, I happen to have a knowlige of drifting and drift cars, and I have seen drift bible 20 times I bet. Oh, and I even have coveted drift autographs from the pens of: Chunky Bai, Kosuke Kida, Daijiro Yoshihara, Sam Hubinette, Mannabu Orido, Alex Phipher, Takahiro Oeno, And I think Ryuji Miki; Wasn't he the one in the Z33 at Nopi. This post is to long. Anyway, about the engine. I was there at the Southern Fried Slide when the Tiger racing s13 popped its manifold. I feel lag in GT4 and hear about it everywhere. Maybe its just my style to be without a turbo, but I will put more concideration into a turbo, most likely a KA24DET. And, in terms of itb's, can a Greddy E-Manage Ultimate not work. And those smiley faces and that videogame quote in my first post is just Gay.

Drifting is like Pokemon now. "I'm 13 I love it, I collect autographs and play video games!"

You have learned everything you know about cars by reading on the internet.

Good job. Now forget all of it cause you don't know shit.

**KoukiDrftr** · 12-03-2005, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by no turbo

Okay, with much deliberation, I will accept a KA24DER. (supercharged for those who don't know). Your input?

And, I want to change my name....

No Turbo Taniguchi

have you ever driven a real turbo car?

**1439/2000** · 12-03-2005, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by no turbo

Okay, with much deliberation, I will accept a KA24DER. (supercharged for those who don't know). Your input?

And, I want to change my name....

No Turbo Taniguchi

Are you Japanese or something?

I'm confused. Supercharging a ka is retarded if you don't want to break shit either.

I had a boosted 240 forever and I beat the shit out of that car and never broke anything with 320 whp. I had a boosted g20 that i beat the shit out of and never had problems with and have a galant vr4 that i beat up and dont have problems with it.

I don't know where you get your information but hopefully in 2 years when you can drive you will be into another fad cause its tards like you that think they know about physics and cars end up ramming into other people on the road or trees.

**HiPSI** · 12-03-2005, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by no turbo

Okay, with much deliberation, I will accept a KA24DER. (supercharged for those who don't know)

wow, so what type of blower do you plan on using on your supercharged KA? how will you "accept" that setup when you've never driven a turbo car, well tuned NA car, or supercharged car?

**HiPSI** · 12-03-2005, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by ABCDrift

this kid is funny... i got a great suggestion about the gt4 turbo lag. buy a new car and do the na tune! or buy a new controller... maybe your x button is wearing out

no no, i'm sure he uses a super realistic steering wheel with force feedback... that's why he's a pro

.

**1439/2000** · 12-03-2005, 01:25 PM

This kid's JDM.

**CodyW** · 12-03-2005, 02:12 PM

this may be one of the more ridiculous threads i've ever read.

**chnco** · 12-03-2005, 03:07 PM

You're a moron, go drift off a cliff.

**no turbo** · 12-03-2005, 03:25 PM

I'm sorry; it is obvious that I am not wanted on this forum. Kids all ready hate me at school because all I talk about is drifting and Nissans. But, you know, its not like I saw some stupid movie like 2 fast 2 furious (no italics and no caps intended) an decided that I wanted to drift. This is a real passion that I have. No, I am not JDM, for I am just some white boy named Cody. The supercharger I was thinking of was just some rotor type one. In a sense, the reason I did my last post was to show that I knew what the "r" stood for in a Nissan engine code, (It can also mean oversized turbo if preceeded by a t or tt). And I do not say that I am a better drifter than everyone, I just wanted to point out that I am not a freakin poser. I had a legitamate question that I wanted answered. And certain people, Such as HiPSI gave me a good answer. What irks me is that I am being shuned because of my age. Some of you should be proud that there is a child wanting to be like some of you someday. In fact, the only other kid that aparently has received a greater start into the world of drifting is Ken Gushi, who started drifting at 12. Im sorry for all that I have done, especialy to the DSM guy. I bet he hates me. Overall, I have learned alot from this post. In terms of how I will accept a supercharger when I have never had a turbo, if you reverse the question it is just as good. The reason I wanted Itb's in the first place was to have overall consistancy, but now I know that it can be reached with the use of a properly matched turbo. Please, do not hate me, for I am still learning.

**1439/2000** · 12-03-2005, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by no turbo

I'm sorry; it is obvious that I am not wanted on this forum. Kids all ready hate me at school because all I talk about is drifting and Nissans. But, you know, its not like I saw some stupid movie like 2 fast 2 furious (no italics and no caps intended) an decided that I wanted to drift. This is a real passion that I have. No, I am not JDM, for I am just some white boy named Cody. The supercharger I was thinking of was just some rotor type one. In a sense, the reason I did my last post was to show that I knew what the "r" stood for in a Nissan engine code, (It can also mean oversized turbo if preceeded by a t or tt). And I do not say that I am a better drifter than everyone, I just wanted to point out that I am not a freakin poser. I had a legitamate question that I wanted answered. And certain people, Such as HiPSI gave me a good answer. What irks me is that I am being shuned because of my age. Some of you should be proud that there is a child wanting to be like some of you someday. In fact, the only other kid that aparently has received a greater start into the world of drifting is Ken Gushi, who started drifting at 12. Im sorry for all that I have done, especialy to the DSM guy. I bet he hates me. Overall, I have learned alot from this post. In terms of how I will accept a supercharger when I have never had a turbo, if you reverse the question it is just as good. The reason I wanted Itb's in the first place was to have overall consistancy, but now I know that it can be reached with the use of a properly matched turbo. Please, do not hate me, for I am still learning.

But I havent always been a DSM guy. I used to have this car. I should have sold it to you for a lot of money. But you would have wrecked it.

Because "you are still learning". Search on zilvia.net, nico, fresh alloy and here I guess but dont post unless its coherent and hasn't been covered before. And if its about 240s, its been covered before.

**yudalicious** · 12-04-2005, 10:53 AM

we're not hating on you because of your age, you're asking such a ridiculous question. you don't even have your license, probably haven't even driven in everyday situations, and you are far from a drifter, yet you're already worrying about turbo lag. Until you feel that turbo lag is holding you back in your development as a driver, don't come back and ask such a question. I am sure if you asked a more relevant question like how did you guys get started, where do you find venues to drift, blah blah, people would be alot more accepting here.

BTW have you ever even driven a 240? Have you felt the NA lag? Yea, it's present through all of the powerband, I rather feel turbo lag than permanent lag.

**no turbo** · 12-04-2005, 11:05 AM

I have never even ridden in a Nissan, but I am getting one soon. How can I experience turbo lag; who will let me drive their car? Anyway, to 1439/2000, I would not have bought it, for I do not like the Kouki styling. And what makes you think that I would have wrecked it? Like I said, I would be a responsible driver. The only drifting I would do would be at SEDA events and parking lots. And I go to fresh alloy all the time; for goodness sake I want to be a Nissan Engineer. I checked this Nissan forum and no one had my question, so I asked. What is so wrong about being a fan of the KA24. When put in to perspective, it was Nissan's most versitile engine, used in the 240sx, Altima, hardbody pickup, Axxess, Stanza, Extera, and Frontier. It just seems to be a better starting point than the SR20DET.

**yudalicious** · 12-04-2005, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by no turbo

I have never even ridden in a Nissan, but I am getting one soon. How can I experience turbo lag; who will let me drive their car?

sounds like another fanboy to me, nevermind driving a nissan, never even ridden in one, seriously, how do you know you'll like nissans? or the ka24de?
you might hate the how the ka24de dies after 5500 rpm, or how relatively heavy the 240 feels when compared to other sport compacts, etc.

**HalfBaked** · 12-04-2005, 12:30 PM

Did this douche say he thinks he can drift because he has watched the drift bible atleast 20 times?!

You're a fucking tool. Seriously, you are 14. Do this.

1- Hit puberty
2- Get acne cream
3- Buy your busted up s13 hatch with a rear quarter panel damage
4- Get more acne cream
5- Drift and get more rear quarter panel damage
6- Buy an rb20det.
7- Blow your motor.
8- Buy more acne cream.
9- Realize you still have no friends and people still hate you at school, but now they hate you because you drive a s13 with an rb20.

**1439/2000** · 12-04-2005, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by HalfBaked

Did this douche say he thinks he can drift because he has watched the drift bible atleast 20 times?!

You're a fucking tool. Seriously, you are 14. Do this.

1- Hit puberty
2- Get acne cream
3- Buy your busted up s13 hatch with a rear quarter panel damage
4- Get more acne cream
5- Drift and get more rear quarter panel damage
6- Buy an rb20det.
7- Blow your motor.
8- Buy more acne cream.
9- Realize you still have no friends and people still hate you at school, but now they hate you because you drive a s13 with an rb20.

Most important step to having a janky s13.

**BTLFED** · 12-04-2005, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by 1439/2000

Most important step to having a janky s13.

+1

**sebastianHoff** · 12-04-2005, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by BTLFED

+1

i've got a hatch with quarter damage, its got an sr though so you probably wouldnt want it.

**HalfBaked** · 12-04-2005, 09:22 PM

All hatchs have quarter damage.

**SleepingTalon** · 12-04-2005, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by HalfBaked

Did this douche say he thinks he can drift because he has watched the drift bible atleast 20 times?!

You're a fucking tool. Seriously, you are 14. Do this.

1- Hit puberty
2- Get acne cream
3- Buy your busted up s13 hatch with a rear quarter panel damage
4- Get more acne cream
5- Drift and get more rear quarter panel damage
6- Buy an rb20det.
7- Blow your motor.
8- Buy more acne cream.
9- Realize you still have no friends and people still hate you at school, but now they hate you because you drive a s13 with an rb20.

Haha. You never cease to entertain me, lol. You sure do have a vendetta against all rb20's though, dont you? Heh, well, my customer with that rb20 is coming down for me to retune the car with the afpr installed now, so I want you to come to Batlground that day, so I can have you two run, and we'll videotape it. Should be a good run...

**HalfBaked** · 12-04-2005, 09:38 PM

I'll come down and get my ass busted. I'm down for that haha.

Just lemme know when.

**SleepingTalon** · 12-04-2005, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by HalfBaked

I'll come down and get my ass busted. I'm down for that haha.

Just lemme know when.

Oh it's all in good fun! It's just another "street racing" vid to add to the already plentiful amount currently circulating! You should go cheat and put race gas in and a little bit more boost. I wont tell him and he'll get frustrated, lol. You'll be good to go then.

**HalfBaked** · 12-04-2005, 09:42 PM

I'll fill up with some race gas while I'm down there haha.

I dunno if my clutch will hold much more power tho.

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