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12-25-2009, 07:32 PM
allmotorX

^I should have done abit more research before buying the cam i bought it because of bisi rep as a sohc enthusiast but then this happens
12-25-2009, 07:35 PM
MidLifeCrisis

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Originally Posted by Vteckidd

Sounds like you had a problem, and machine shop didn't diagnose it properly.

Not the shops fault. Machine shop maybe but I doubt you'll get anything out of it

Most likely not. Theyre gonna point the finger at aftermarket cam, and nothing will ever come of it.

This time around, take the new head and new cam to a more reputible machine shop that has more experience with import stuff and have them check the clearances of the head and cam 100%. Not just put it together and spin it and see what happens. When shit like that is happening, theres no real "fixing" it. Except to maybe line bore the cam journals. Adn that would have been mucho monies.
12-25-2009, 07:35 PM
blackshine007

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Originally Posted by DarKStaR

I witnessed the cam trying to lock up. After it was finally adjusted right, it did start spinning. It was on the tight side though. I was also there when the car went on a test drive and drove just like it was supposed to, before and after the water pump install. Its hard to say its 1 person's fault. I know of another local person that has had problems with a sohc bisi cam. It was just one of those freak accidents, trust me i know all about them. But as far as the shop who built it, everything is always done by the book and experience. Not taking sides of anyone but just giving my opinion.

Like I said, stand up guys. They're cool in my book :goodjob:
12-25-2009, 07:37 PM
allmotorX

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Originally Posted by MidLifeCrisis

Most likely not. Theyre gonna point the finger at aftermarket cam, and nothing will ever come of it.

This time around, take the new head and new cam to a more reputible machine shop that has more experience with import stuff and have them check the clearances of the head and cam 100%. Not just put it together and spin it and see what happens. When shit like that is happening, theres no real "fixing" it. Except to maybe line bore the cam journals. Adn that would have been mucho monies.

Yep this i know!
12-25-2009, 09:37 PM
EmminoDaGreat

Just because a cam spins freely when its cold doesnt meen its right..
12-26-2009, 01:05 AM
Supraboy87T

Hey Les, dont let it get you down homie. Just look at it as a chance to start fresh even though it is a small set back. Just find a new and/or a better brand cam and go from there. Need to get that worked out that way I can figure out what way to go beings our builds are so similar. LOL. I would blame machine shop for problem but good luck getting anything from them.
12-29-2009, 11:07 PM
blackshine007

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12-30-2009, 03:19 AM
Patterson

i'm sorry but i would go back to the last person to have the caps off. i don't know the shop or you but if the cam had clearance issues, trash, whatever then it should have got caught between the two. mainly the last to have it apart. if it was locking up not running then it should have came apart right then and found the problem. just my :2cents:
12-30-2009, 02:08 PM
JJSPEC Racing

You know what is really crazy? We had a 97 Civic with 166725 miles on the odometer, driven by a 52 year old man break down in the middle of Gray Highway in front ot the shop just last week. We thought it just had a broken timing belt, but we pulled the cover off and the cam pulley was lose and spun out. Pulled the rocker arms off and the cam was locked down. The engine was clean on the inside and the oil was not low. We ended up putting another head on it. As far as "trash", it sounds like you saw the aluminum that would have transferred to the cam upon lock up as there is some metal transfer.
12-30-2009, 02:12 PM
allmotorX

^ I looked at head it was pieces from the journal not trash like stated before who knows what caused it im not pointing fingers just getting opinions
12-30-2009, 03:04 PM
JJSPEC Racing

Was the rocker arm holder the one that came with the head? Just wondering as they are machined together when the factory produces them.
12-30-2009, 03:25 PM
allmotorX

yea it was the original one
12-31-2009, 11:17 AM
Slomaro Z28

Sucks, but SOHC's are a dime a dozen....save up and buy another one.
12-31-2009, 06:31 PM
allmotorX

it aint the motor i need to save for its the cam shit aint cheap
01-01-2010, 10:56 PM
TommyD1919

If you supplied the parts, the shops not going to be responsible. I would say def. give the machine shop a call and tell them what happened and see how that goes. But crazy stuff does happen even with the "best" of shops. I sent a friend to a shop that is a sponsor on IA to have some work done because I had no time to do it .It turned into the worst experience ever and the work was TERRIBLE.
01-02-2010, 05:21 AM
VTECking

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Originally Posted by allmotorX

I just want opinions on who you think should pay for a new cam, and camgear. And who should have paid for the head work at the machine shop? all opinions welcomed

Well first off did you drive the piss out of the car as soon as you got it back w/the motor still being cold? If you did this then it may have been your fault.
01-02-2010, 10:13 AM
allmotorX

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Originally Posted by Gold'n S14

Well first off did you drive the piss out of the car as soon as you got it back w/the motor still being cold? If you did this then it may have been your fault.

No offense to you but why the fuck would i drive the piss outta of a car knowing it needs a tune and its a brandnew motor i was crusing for your info im not a dumbass like most people!
01-02-2010, 10:47 AM
TheChosenOne

Did you have a basemap for the motor? You did say they had to degree the cam.
01-02-2010, 11:00 AM
VTECking

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Originally Posted by allmotorX

No offense to you but why the fuck would i drive the piss outta of a car knowing it needs a tune and its a brandnew motor i was crusing for your info im not a dumbass like most people!

Easy there hot shot, I was just making sure that you wernt.
01-02-2010, 06:15 PM
allmotorX

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Originally Posted by TheChosenOne

Did you have a basemap for the motor? You did say they had to degree the cam.

Yea i had a basemap one reason why i wasnt getting on it
03-02-2010, 07:32 AM
southside

Damn neither one of us has goodluck with these HONDAS~! I vote we start up a DONK club and call it a day.:lmao:
03-02-2010, 07:44 AM
allmotorX

I actually thought about that, but this whole thread is pointless shit was my fault all along
03-02-2010, 07:49 AM
Nemesis

Its good to see there was no finger pointing and OP learned a good lesson.

+Reps givin all around.
03-02-2010, 01:23 PM
Black4DrEK

YUP YUP

Now the motor is in gooood hands:D
03-02-2010, 01:27 PM
Vteckidd

Quote:

Originally Posted by TommyD1919

If you supplied the parts, the shops not going to be responsible. I would say def. give the machine shop a call and tell them what happened and see how that goes. But crazy stuff does happen even with the "best" of shops. I sent a friend to a shop that is a sponsor on IA to have some work done because I had no time to do it .It turned into the worst experience ever and the work was TERRIBLE.

Was that the 2j rx7 that wrote a bad check and dissappeared?
03-02-2010, 01:29 PM
Tree

its all your fault for doing a na sohc... jkjk
03-02-2010, 06:00 PM
allmotorX

lol yep this is true^^^ should have went j35
03-02-2010, 06:19 PM
dirk-diggler

what machine shop cleaned the head and what all did they do to it.
03-02-2010, 06:56 PM
Tree

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Originally Posted by allmotorX

lol yep this is true^^^ should have went j35

nope. j35 when bore it to a 3.7l:eek:

run what you brung?
03-03-2010, 12:32 AM
preferredduck

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Originally Posted by Vteckidd

How many miles on the head? Can't throw new cam in a 100-200k miles head if the journal clearance is off that will cause your problem. That's not shops fault that's justusing an old head

bad luck really

but a knowledgable shop staff wuold know about this and say send to the machine shop first, correct. if they really cared and knew they would.
03-03-2010, 12:23 PM
NOCLUE

well i hope u get the build done go skunk2 cam this time, i no after this i am, kind scared of bisi now:(

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