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  1. 06-25-2009, 08:55 PM #41
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    fuck.....every part is interchangle from the s14 to s13 except rear sturts and springs. the s14 springs and struts in rear are longer. you can use the fronts off of s13 or s14. the toe rod that connect to the rear subframe are a little different from s13 and s14 as well. the s14 have a slightly bigger bushing than the s13 at the end where it connects to the subfram but it will work, also its a tiny tiny bit shorter. you just wont be able to adjust toe. but if you lower you s14 then its perfect cause it will pull the wheel in more and fix the little camber issue you have like i did. but just buy springs for a 96 s14. it will save a lot of headache
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    wow...well i guess im going to sell them whos wants it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever210
    fuck.....every part is interchangle from the s14 to s13 except rear sturts and springs. the s14 springs and struts in rear are longer. you can use the fronts off of s13 or s14. the toe rod that connect to the rear subframe are a little different from s13 and s14 as well. the s14 have a slightly bigger bushing than the s13 at the end where it connects to the subfram but it will work, also its a tiny tiny bit shorter. you just wont be able to adjust toe. but if you lower you s14 then its perfect cause it will pull the wheel in more and fix the little camber issue you have like i did. but just buy springs for a 96 s14. it will save a lot of headache
    exaclty...buy parts for the car you have

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever210
    fuck.....every part is interchangle from the s14 to s13 except rear sturts and springs. the s14 springs and struts in rear are longer. you can use the fronts off of s13 or s14. the toe rod that connect to the rear subframe are a little different from s13 and s14 as well. the s14 have a slightly bigger bushing than the s13 at the end where it connects to the subfram but it will work, also its a tiny tiny bit shorter. you just wont be able to adjust toe. but if you lower you s14 then its perfect cause it will pull the wheel in more and fix the little camber issue you have like i did. but just buy springs for a 96 s14. it will save a lot of headache
    So you're saying the springs in the rear of the S13 are shorter meaning the car will just sit lower right? How much are we talking, 1/2" or 1"? 2 inches?

    I say keep the springs and get (2)eBay coilover sleeves...easy fix and won't cost more than $20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    So you're saying the springs in the rear of the S13 are shorter meaning the car will just sit lower right? How much are we talking, 1/2" or 1"? 2 inches?

    I say keep the springs and get (2)eBay coilover sleeves...easy fix and won't cost more than $20.
    no its to much where the whole suspensions system will have to be pushed up. theres a reason they make longer springs in the rear of the s14....smother ride. thats why the s13 rear is better for drifting. some people change to s13 rear subfram
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    ^^speedminded. this is what i was trying to tell you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever210
    no its to much where the whole suspensions system will have to be pushed up. theres a reason they make longer springs in the rear of the s14....smother ride. thats why the s13 rear is better for drifting. some people change to s13 rear subfram
    I posted photos comparing the S13 and S14 springs. How much in numbers is it different? There's virtually none in the photos. Eibach even sells helper springs that assist in situations like this. A coil-over sleeve would allow adjustibility though.

    If it's a 4" plus difference then sure I can see there being an issue. I understand the S13 lowering spring may be a lower spring rate but it's still should be far stiffer than a stock spring. It makes no sense that you can't use any other spring as long as it securely fits on the perch.
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    u can try to use it if u want but it wont sit right. the s13 are signif shorter. my buddys withe s13 freaked out when they saw my rear springs and struts cause there that much longer and by using the s13 spring and struts the car will sit way to low
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    and yes they are shorter by 3 to 4 inches
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    Yes, they will work just fine. Dont listen to all the wannabe know it all's. You will be perfectly fine, hell in japan it was HUGE to put EG6 springs on S14's for going REALLY low.
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    i now found out that all s14 parts are longer or different in some way form or fashion than the s13. i know this for a fact! only the springs and struts in the front are interchagable between the s13 and s14 nothing else!
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever210
    i now found out that all s14 parts are longer or different in some way form or fashion than the s13. i know this for a fact! only the springs and struts in the front are interchagable between the s13 and s14 nothing else!
    lol! Who wants to bet a car I can make S13 springs work efficiently on an S14 strut? As long as the I.D. is large enough for the strut to slide through it then it will work.

    If they are too short than a cheap threaded aluminum sleeve with collar off eBay will work just fine. Can even use a Eibach helper spring if needed, available in just about any size and used on race cars every day...








    or a no name helper spring...

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    Hey guys, just put some S13 springs on my friends S14 off a friends S13, and the other way around...not much of a difference.......hmmm..........
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    Ima help him do it today... lets see
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    my opinion is that they are two different parts for a reason. i personally couldn't tell you that reason but obviously they are two different sets of springs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corolla_TC
    my opinion is that they are two different parts for a reason. i personally couldn't tell you that reason but obviously they are two different sets of springs
    Because it's two different model cars, two different weights vehicles, and two slightly different suspension setups...BUT it's still just a spring and will still work just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    Because it's two different model cars, two different weights vehicles, and two slightly different suspension setups
    exactly....if they were the same exact thing they would have the same part number. they may fit but working is a different situation. i'm gonna back out of this because i don't know specifically about this situation but i was trying to say that in general, if they are two different part number, they obviously need their specific part
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corolla_TC
    exactly....if they were the same exact thing they would have the same part number. they may fit but working is a different situation. i'm gonna back out of this because i don't know specifically about this situation but i was trying to say that in general, if they are two different part number, they obviously need their specific part
    92-95 Civics and 94-01 Integra's usually have different parts number but they're the exact same thing. I'm sure some parts for your Corolla have different numbers than the Prism too.

    BUT in this case there are differences between years but they will still work.
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    I cannot BELIEVE some of the shit that is getting thrown around in here trying to pass as helpful info. It's a spring swap, he isn't tube framing the fucking car! All the suspension theorists need to continue on there way and let a little real world common sense through. If the springs are the same size THEY WILL WORK. LCA's, swaybars, toe adjustment and all the shit DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL in this particular situation. jeeeeeesus christ!

    Edit: Speedminded, have you ever seen the commercials for that Bing! search engine? You can find one here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5ZiNkGfUJ0

    Watch that and tell me it doesn't remind you of the Genreal Tech section
    Who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hondabuilder
    I cannot BELIEVE some of the shit that is getting thrown around in here trying to pass as helpful info. It's a spring swap, he isn't tube framing the fucking car! All the suspension theorists need to continue on there way and let a little real world common sense through. If the springs are the same size THEY WILL WORK. LCA's, swaybars, toe adjustment and all the shit DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL in this particular situation. jeeeeeesus christ!

    Edit: Speedminded, have you ever seen the commercials for that Bing! search engine? You can find one here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5ZiNkGfUJ0

    Watch that and tell me it doesn't remind you of the Genreal Tech section
    lol! The spring on the average vehicle probably has less R&D in it than any interior piece in the car haha!

    Yep, bingO on the videO. If I had a video camera and a computer fast enough to edit I'd remake a spoof of the Bing commercial on the IA Tech section lolol! Please tell me why we don't have a suspension sub-forum lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    lol! The spring on the average vehicle probably has less R&D in it than any interior piece in the car haha!

    Yep, bingO on the videO. If I had a video camera and a computer fast enough to edit I'd remake a spoof of the Bing commercial on the IA Tech section lolol! Please tell me why we don't have a suspension sub-forum lol!
    We don't have a suspension sub-forum because it would be filled with questions on how to properly heat springs, reviews on eBay coilover sleeves, and kids wanting to know why there car wrecked into a tree when they tried to take the hairpin at 130mph. It would be every bit as annoying as GT is now, so why bother?
    Who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hondabuilder
    We don't have a suspension sub-forum because it would be filled with questions on how to properly heat springs, reviews on eBay coilover sleeves, and kids wanting to know why there car wrecked into a tree when they tried to take the hairpin at 130mph. It would be every bit as annoying as GT is now, so why bother?
    Two junk drawers is better than one! Besides, the suspension questions are cluttering up the 190 pages of car detailing, blown fuses, idling issue, engine running hot, transmission, emissions, and lighting threads
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    ....ATTEMPTED WITH KOOLCAT ON HERE BUT ATTEMPTED FAIL...THE WHOLE STRUT WAS OUT BUT DAMN NEED AND IMPACT GUN TO TAKE THAT TOP BOLT OFF....TO BE CONTINUED....OR DOES ANYBODY HAVE ONE THAT I CAN USE AROUND THE GWINNETT AREA
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    You always gotta make sure you got your shit together before working on the car, chalk it up to a lesson learned.
    Who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psw Jdm
    ....ATTEMPTED WITH KOOLCAT ON HERE BUT ATTEMPTED FAIL...THE WHOLE STRUT WAS OUT BUT DAMN NEED AND IMPACT GUN TO TAKE THAT TOP BOLT OFF....TO BE CONTINUED....OR DOES ANYBODY HAVE ONE THAT I CAN USE AROUND THE GWINNETT AREA
    The top nut you mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    The top nut you mean?
    yea the only top one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psw Jdm
    yea the only top one
    That's the deadly one lol! Are you using a spring compressor? Is the shaft just turning? Try vice grips locked down on the shaft? Tried soaking the nut in PB Blaster? Tried heating the nut? There's a million thing you can do...
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    Don't bash eBay's, I have ran them many times, even on track, and NEVER had a problem with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simontibbett
    Don't bash eBay's, I have ran them many times, even on track, and NEVER had a problem with them.
    Where anyone bashing "eBay's"?

    Not to mention eBay does not manufacturer anything nor do they sell any products.
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    Someone mentioned people asking for reviews on eBay coilovers or something, I was kidding, chilllllll. I know they don't make anything, but that's the common reference. AKA cheap Chinese coilovers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simontibbett
    Someone mentioned people asking for reviews on eBay coilovers or something, I was kidding, chilllllll. I know they don't make anything, but that's the common reference. AKA cheap Chinese coilovers.
    Common reference doesn't make it right, I'm trying to prevent a movement of ignorance...one person at a time
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    They are world wide known as eBay coilovers, can't change it. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    That's the deadly one lol! Are you using a spring compressor? Is the shaft just turning? Try vice grips locked down on the shaft? Tried soaking the nut in PB Blaster? Tried heating the nut? There's a million thing you can do...
    yeah i loaned some for like 50 bucks at Advance auto parts and yeah it is the deadly one i seen this video...where he didnt use one and it worked fine....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEQq0...eature=related

    yeah im about to try heating it ....i used freeze off but i guess it didnt work...
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    Quote Originally Posted by simontibbett
    They are world wide known as eBay coilovers, can't change it. Sorry.
    Quit killin' my dream man

    Quote Originally Posted by Psw Jdm
    yeah i loaned some for like 50 bucks at Advance auto parts and yeah it is the deadly one i seen this video...where he didnt use one and it worked fine....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEQq0...eature=related

    yeah im about to try heating it ....i used freeze off but i guess it didnt work...
    thanks alot
    Freezing will make it contract and actually tighter lol. If you had a way to freeze the shaft while heating the nut causing it to expand then it would come right off. Heating alone and a couple hits with a hammer should do the trick.
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    I foresee replacing shocks in his near future.
    Who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hondabuilder
    I foresee replacing shocks in his near future.
    Dude I need a crystal ball like yours. I would have never predicted that lol!
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    the front two lowering springs are on the car and its about 1.7 inch drop
    ...
    i didnt feel like trying to put on the two rear ones so i'm going to sell it.

    Thanks Guys...

    For Speedminded's sakes lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psw Jdm
    updates.... the s13 skunk2 lowering springs are on the s14 front... rides perfect.... about 1.8 iches drop tp 2.....thats fine..... but the s13 rear ls arent...didnt feel like it... so ima sell for the low....thanks guys
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