Quote Originally Posted by scttydb411
and the p13 isn't a spoon as are the majority of the ecu's out there that say mugen/spoon/etc. they are just hacks that put a decal on it and sell it for more than it's worth. all they did on that p13 was just adjust the binary/hex code to remove speed limiter and maybe shift vtec...possibly increase the overall timing and fuel trim, but it's far from tuned.

the only way to really get a tuned ecu is to have it tuned in your own car on a dyno.
Yeah I know thanks for he help, as soon as I can get the money I'll get a tune with a new ecu for sure