mini me or a whole y8?

[djmaddmartin]

I can make a N/A b series go faster than a d for the same or less money. Period. And I have lots of room to grow as where the d must be fully built to pull out any more power. Turbo kit and its acessory trimmings for a D $3000-$5000 plus Labor $1500-$2500. Dude. I can set up a sweet B series for that. B18c bored to a 2.0, type R pistons, head work, type R cams etc and still spend Less Money and be as fast or faster with room to grow. D stands for DEAD END even on a budget. But don't get me wrong, I LOVE my d-series! My daily driver gets 40mpg! Wooo hooo!

[Vteckidd]

I can make a N/A b series go faster than a d for the same or less money. Period.

A boosted D series with $3500 in it will make 200whp and be reliable and will beat almost any NA b series in the state of GA. sorry man, your wrong. We have one up here at the shop (ScttyDB411) and his is NONVTEC and makes 203whp and 196TQ and has been running for 3 years. Most NA cars in GA make 180 if they are LUCKY. the faster ones, are lucky to break 200whp locally. i see lots of claims of all motor power, but my dyno speaks for itself. we have seen 2 RSX all motor cars make over 200WHP and only 1 1.8l B series make over 200whp in the 2 years we have been open. Its not as easy as some think.

And I have lots of room to grow as where the d must be fully built to pull out any more power.

Yes i agree, B series has much more potential, but , hell the K>B. im just talking from a BUDGET stand point. if someone comes to me with a Civic that is stock and they have $3000-5000 to spend, and they want to go fast, i would reccomend B series all day, but to some people, its a huge investment for not a lotr of power. After they buy a swap, and pay for labor, they will ahve a 155whp GSR. when they can spend the same money, and have a boosted D series and have money left over, and make close to 190whp maybe more if its a SOHC VTEC. i give them both options, then they have to figure out what they want to do later on down the road.

Turbo kit and its acessory trimmings for a D $3000-$5000 plus Labor $1500-$2500.

YOu can buy intercooler-less kits from Greddy for $1200 all day long on Ebay and from Nopi. We do CUSTOM built full turbo kits that come with injectors and Uberdata for tuning with a brand new turbo INSTALLED for $3500 out the door. thats our top of the line kit, and i gurantee 80-100whp increase over stock. for $3500 you can barely buy a GSR swap. let alone get it installed, let alone go all motor with it.

Dude. I can set up a sweet B series for that. B18c bored to a 2.0, type R pistons, head work, type R cams etc and still spend Less Money and be as fast or faster with room to grow. D stands for DEAD END even on a budget.

couple things:
1) you cannot BORE B18C block to 2.0L. you have to sleeve it, which costs $1000.
2) IF you bore it out to 2.0l that is 84mm. STD B SERIES bore is 81mm. There are no ITR Pistons in a 84mm application. they would have to be custom made. The biggest bore ITR pistons come in is 82mm from Topline. the only 84mm block is the B20, and they have low compression pistons. most people when they go 84mm or 2.0L they go forged internals.
3) Head work is expensive, and no once locally can do it. expect a minimum of $1000 for a stage 1 job with a valve job, deshrouding the chambers, valves, and surface.
4) ALL MOTOR costs ALOT MORE than Turbo. in your scenario, you would have to locate a block and head and then do work to it. heres what it would cost:
GSR Head:$500
GSR Block:$600 (usually assembled)
ITR Pistons:$180
Machine WOrk:$350
Ported Head:$1000
ITR Cams:$300
Vavletrain:$250
HeadGasket:$65
Lower Gasket KIT:$55
Upper Gasket Kit:$190
Header:$250 (FOR A CHEAP ONE) $650 for a good one
Intake Manifold:$150
Cam Gears:$175
Head Studs:$105
Rod Bolts:$55
Bearings:$105
This doesnt include a tranny ($500-700) or a clutch and flywheel ($500-700). this also doesnt factor in a new timing belt and water pump which every build should get no matter what. this is still using the old OIL pump($100) as well, which i always replace. this is a mild setup, one that i have built before. i have a very similar motor posted in the all motor forum that i built that was similar to this one. Remember this includes you doing all the work, that means you assembling the motor, checking ring gap, plastigauging bearing clearance to make sure they are within .0005-.002 , and doing the swap. so there is no labor factored in.
This setup (GSR block, Ported head, ITR Pistons, Mild CAms, and decent header) would make 175-185whp, 190whp at the most.
TOTAL: $4330 for the LONGBLOCK ,PARTS ONLY

My motor, which is a 2.0l 12:1 compression motor, with ported head, Prototype cams, Race header , blahblahblah and me getting AWESOME deals form people i know in the industry or people that just wanted to help me out is approaching $8000. i hope to make 230-240whp. with $8000 i could haev built a 450-550whp motor.

All motor is more of a challenge than turbo , thats why i like it. anyone IMO can build a 500whp turbo motor, not anyone can builda 200whp GSR or 230whp LSVTEC. that takes more skill IMO. a 230whp All motor car in a light chassis (CRX) can run 11s. not many turbo cars with 250who can run 11s.

But don't get me wrong, I LOVE my d-series! My daily driver gets 40mpg! Wooo hooo!

i agree, D series > B series when it comes to gas mileage.



my

[Curbow_USMC]

^^^ GREAT POST!!!

out of all the things i have read the one thing i have seen from your coments is that with the power/money. going with a D is better.... like other people have said before and i agree 100% is that if i blow my D i can go buy another one for less than 800 bucks and slap my mods back on that motor and i will be good to go again.

And one question for you also... the guy that is non-vtec.. What all is dont to his because origionaly i was wanting to stay non-vtec just for fun.

[D16Civic]

check out this site
http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.ph...&highlight=13g
it has his dyno sheet and what his setup is on it, plus, its an awesome website to learn some stuff from

[djmaddmartin]

List your part break down for the D series build. I checked out the kit on ebay and its missing a bunch of stuff. Show me the exact breakdown of your d-series out the door. Just curious. May make you some business too. Sounds like a killer deal. I can get a gsr full swap for $1500 by the way -USDM. $1500 for a turbo kit. $500 for clutch/flywheel. $4000-4500 out the door making 300+hp. My boy in Florida payed $4300 out the door for his. I of course am going to spend way more than that. But I'm aiming for a bit more power potential.

A boosted D series with $3500 in it will make 200whp and be reliable and will beat almost any NA b series in the state of GA. sorry man, your wrong. We have one up here at the shop (ScttyDB411) and his is NONVTEC and makes 203whp and 196TQ and has been running for 3 years. Most NA cars in GA make 180 if they are LUCKY. the faster ones, are lucky to break 200whp locally. i see lots of claims of all motor power, but my dyno speaks for itself. we have seen 2 RSX all motor cars make over 200WHP and only 1 1.8l B series make over 200whp in the 2 years we have been open. Its not as easy as some think.



Yes i agree, B series has much more potential, but , hell the K>B. im just talking from a BUDGET stand point. if someone comes to me with a Civic that is stock and they have $3000-5000 to spend, and they want to go fast, i would reccomend B series all day, but to some people, its a huge investment for not a lotr of power. After they buy a swap, and pay for labor, they will ahve a 155whp GSR. when they can spend the same money, and have a boosted D series and have money left over, and make close to 190whp maybe more if its a SOHC VTEC. i give them both options, then they have to figure out what they want to do later on down the road.



YOu can buy intercooler-less kits from Greddy for $1200 all day long on Ebay and from Nopi. We do CUSTOM built full turbo kits that come with injectors and Uberdata for tuning with a brand new turbo INSTALLED for $3500 out the door. thats our top of the line kit, and i gurantee 80-100whp increase over stock. for $3500 you can barely buy a GSR swap. let alone get it installed, let alone go all motor with it.


couple things:
1) you cannot BORE B18C block to 2.0L. you have to sleeve it, which costs $1000.
2) IF you bore it out to 2.0l that is 84mm. STD B SERIES bore is 81mm. There are no ITR Pistons in a 84mm application. they would have to be custom made. The biggest bore ITR pistons come in is 82mm from Topline. the only 84mm block is the B20, and they have low compression pistons. most people when they go 84mm or 2.0L they go forged internals.
3) Head work is expensive, and no once locally can do it. expect a minimum of $1000 for a stage 1 job with a valve job, deshrouding the chambers, valves, and surface.
4) ALL MOTOR costs ALOT MORE than Turbo. in your scenario, you would have to locate a block and head and then do work to it. heres what it would cost:
GSR Head:$500
GSR Block:$600 (usually assembled)
ITR Pistons:$180
Machine WOrk:$350
Ported Head:$1000
ITR Cams:$300
Vavletrain:$250
HeadGasket:$65
Lower Gasket KIT:$55
Upper Gasket Kit:$190
Header:$250 (FOR A CHEAP ONE) $650 for a good one
Intake Manifold:$150
Cam Gears:$175
Head Studs:$105
Rod Bolts:$55
Bearings:$105
This doesnt include a tranny ($500-700) or a clutch and flywheel ($500-700). this also doesnt factor in a new timing belt and water pump which every build should get no matter what. this is still using the old OIL pump($100) as well, which i always replace. this is a mild setup, one that i have built before. i have a very similar motor posted in the all motor forum that i built that was similar to this one. Remember this includes you doing all the work, that means you assembling the motor, checking ring gap, plastigauging bearing clearance to make sure they are within .0005-.002 , and doing the swap. so there is no labor factored in.
This setup (GSR block, Ported head, ITR Pistons, Mild CAms, and decent header) would make 175-185whp, 190whp at the most.
TOTAL: $4330 for the LONGBLOCK ,PARTS ONLY

My motor, which is a 2.0l 12:1 compression motor, with ported head, Prototype cams, Race header , blahblahblah and me getting AWESOME deals form people i know in the industry or people that just wanted to help me out is approaching $8000. i hope to make 230-240whp. with $8000 i could haev built a 450-550whp motor.

All motor is more of a challenge than turbo , thats why i like it. anyone IMO can build a 500whp turbo motor, not anyone can builda 200whp GSR or 230whp LSVTEC. that takes more skill IMO. a 230whp All motor car in a light chassis (CRX) can run 11s. not many turbo cars with 250who can run 11s.


i agree, D series > B series when it comes to gas mileage.



my

[Jon00]

FUCK HONDA put a SR20 OR RB26DETT


lol j/p

[D16Civic]

well, i have seen a NSX motor in, if i remember right, an ek hatch
that was pretty crazy

[Jon00]

well, i have seen a NSX motor in, if i remember right, an ek hatch
that was pretty crazy

i think u mean a CRX

[D16Civic]

It was definitly a nsx motor. It was in a magazine a long time ago, i doubt i could find it now tho. It was drag car i think, but still, they fit that thing in there.

[djmaddmartin]

FUCK HONDA put a SR20 OR RB26DETT


lol j/p

LOL You Nissan guys. Too funny. You wanna do a sr20 in honda? How's about a LS-1 in a S14! Now that would be a swwweeett swwwaaap!

[Vteckidd]

List your part break down for the D series build. I checked out the kit on ebay and its missing a bunch of stuff. Show me the exact breakdown of your d-series out the door. Just curious. May make you some business too. Sounds like a killer deal. I can get a gsr full swap for $1500 by the way -USDM. $1500 for a turbo kit. $500 for clutch/flywheel. $4000-4500 out the door making 300+hp. My boy in Florida payed $4300 out the door for his. I of course am going to spend way more than that. But I'm aiming for a bit more power potential.

1) Show me a GSR swap for $1500 and ill show you a stolen swap i have bought swaps that cheap out of wrecked cars, but they are few and far between. The cheapest you can find a GSR swap CONSISTENTLY is between $2000-3000. Remember , this guy may not have the connections we have, and if he goes to a shop, they arent going to sell him a gsr swap for $1500.

2) No $1500 turbo kit will make 300whp on a stock GSR. if you build some junk DIY kit, maybe , but i doubt it. the injectors and intake manifold needed to flow 300whp cost $500 alone. The turbo will run $500. break down YOUR B series 300whp turbo kit for me please, cause if you can do it for $1500 im in the wrong business.

D series Turbo Kit $3500
Turbonetics Turbo T3-Super60 1 year warranty-$700
Custom Log manifold (Drag Style) Hold up to 300whp-$250
Turbonetics EVO Wastegate-$200
BOV- GREDDY/HKS with Flange-$230
Front Mount Intercooler (custom) -$225
Down Pipe with Flex-$150 (includes O2)
InterCooler Piping with Couplers-$300
DSM 450CC Injectors-$80
OBD1 ECU with Uberdata $180
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump-$90
Conversion Harness-$80
Labor - $1000

This is right at $3500 and includes fuel management and a setup that is capible of 250whp (300 w/550cc inj). This is a similar setup that we have put on about 6 b-series. on a D series it can make 220whp (VTEC) non VTEC (200whp) easily.

Also, a 300whp stock GSR is not as easy as it seems. A bolt on Drag kit or Rev Hard will only make about 250-275whp. I don't care what people on H-T say, bring it to Atlanta and we will see. You will have to have at least 550cc injectors, and 3in exhaust.

Finally, about the Civic with the NSX motor. This was a FWD drag car that was in a magazine about 3-4 years ago. It was a EK hb that was chop top. D16civic was right.

[Jon00]

1) Show me a GSR swap for $1500 and ill show you a stolen swap i have bought swaps that cheap out of wrecked cars, but they are few and far between. The cheapest you can find a GSR swap CONSISTENTLY is between $2000-3000. Remember , this guy may not have the connections we have, and if he goes to a shop, they arent going to sell him a gsr swap for $1500.

2) No $1500 turbo kit will make 300whp on a stock GSR. if you build some junk DIY kit, maybe , but i doubt it. the injectors and intake manifold needed to flow 300whp cost $500 alone. The turbo will run $500. break down YOUR B series 300whp turbo kit for me please, cause if you can do it for $1500 im in the wrong business.

D series Turbo Kit $3500
Turbonetics Turbo T3-Super60 1 year warranty-$700
Custom Log manifold (Drag Style) Hold up to 300whp-$250
Turbonetics EVO Wastegate-$200
BOV- GREDDY/HKS with Flange-$230
Front Mount Intercooler (custom) -$225
Down Pipe with Flex-$150 (includes O2)
InterCooler Piping with Couplers-$300
DSM 450CC Injectors-$80
OBD1 ECU with Uberdata $180
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump-$90
Conversion Harness-$80
Labor - $1000

This is right at $3500 and includes fuel management and a setup that is capible of 250whp (300 w/550cc inj). This is a similar setup that we have put on about 6 b-series. on a D series it can make 220whp (VTEC) non VTEC (200whp) easily.

Also, a 300whp stock GSR is not as easy as it seems. A bolt on Drag kit or Rev Hard will only make about 250-275whp. I don't care what people on H-T say, bring it to Atlanta and we will see. You will have to have at least 550cc injectors, and 3in exhaust.

Finally, about the Civic with the NSX motor. This was a FWD drag car that was in a magazine about 3-4 years ago. It was a EK hb that was chop top. D16civic was right.

hey have u seen the new super street mag that has thw worlds fastest all motor RSX in it? it ran like a 9 sec in the 1/4

[ghionw]

D series Turbo Kit $3500
Turbonetics Turbo T3-Super60 1 year warranty-$700
Custom Log manifold (Drag Style) Hold up to 300whp-$250
Turbonetics EVO Wastegate-$200
BOV- GREDDY/HKS with Flange-$230
Front Mount Intercooler (custom) -$225
Down Pipe with Flex-$150 (includes O2)
InterCooler Piping with Couplers-$300
DSM 450CC Injectors-$80
OBD1 ECU with Uberdata $180
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump-$90
Conversion Harness-$80
Labor - $1000

This is right at $3500 and includes fuel management and a setup that is capible of 250whp (300 w/550cc inj). This is a similar setup that we have put on about 6 b-series. on a D series it can make 220whp (VTEC) non VTEC (200whp) easily.

Hey I am in the market for a good turbo setup. I have a ek hatch and I was wondering if with the forementioned setup, will I pass GA emmission? I am looking to setup a good turboed daily driver. Not looking for no outrageous power either.

[Formally...]

Hey I am in the market for a good turbo setup. I have a ek hatch and I was wondering if with the forementioned setup, will I pass GA emmission? I am looking to setup a good turboed daily driver. Not looking for no outrageous power either.

As far as passing emission, if you convert to obd1 you will need to keep your obd2 ecu. When you have to get emissions you will have to put your stock ecu and injectors in (I wire the new injectors and can leave the oem clips so you can go back and forth). Also, you will have to drive for about 50 miles to let the ecu go through the readyness check. Car will run normal on stock ecu and inj as long as you don't boost. Let me know if you have any other questions.

[djmaddmartin]

Telling ya what he had done and the price. I don't know what kind of hook ups he's got but the car sure is fast. Been two years now and its still running strong. I don't have his break down but the next time I visit I'll get it. And he did get the swap for $1500. Bought it off this kid who had his gsr t-boned. Had about 60k on the motor A bit more mileage than a JDM would usually come with. But it had been well taken care of. Don't know if I can get you a break down but I'll try next time I visit him. Just wanted to point out for everybody that there are many ways to boost and it can be done outside the box even when others tell you it can't be done and it won't be reliable.
I've learned through many years of people telling me I can't do something that if you are patient and persistent you can do what needs to be done.
P.S. his put together kit also included a performance clutch and flywheel to handle the extra power. I didn't see it on your breakdown. But your kit looks like a killer deal! To bad my civic is a daily beater and all my money is being sunk into my integra's build.

1) Show me a GSR swap for $1500 and ill show you a stolen swap i have bought swaps that cheap out of wrecked cars, but they are few and far between. The cheapest you can find a GSR swap CONSISTENTLY is between $2000-3000. Remember , this guy may not have the connections we have, and if he goes to a shop, they arent going to sell him a gsr swap for $1500.

2) No $1500 turbo kit will make 300whp on a stock GSR. if you build some junk DIY kit, maybe , but i doubt it. the injectors and intake manifold needed to flow 300whp cost $500 alone. The turbo will run $500. break down YOUR B series 300whp turbo kit for me please, cause if you can do it for $1500 im in the wrong business.

D series Turbo Kit $3500
Turbonetics Turbo T3-Super60 1 year warranty-$700
Custom Log manifold (Drag Style) Hold up to 300whp-$250
Turbonetics EVO Wastegate-$200
BOV- GREDDY/HKS with Flange-$230
Front Mount Intercooler (custom) -$225
Down Pipe with Flex-$150 (includes O2)
InterCooler Piping with Couplers-$300
DSM 450CC Injectors-$80
OBD1 ECU with Uberdata $180
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump-$90
Conversion Harness-$80
Labor - $1000

This is right at $3500 and includes fuel management and a setup that is capible of 250whp (300 w/550cc inj). This is a similar setup that we have put on about 6 b-series. on a D series it can make 220whp (VTEC) non VTEC (200whp) easily.

Also, a 300whp stock GSR is not as easy as it seems. A bolt on Drag kit or Rev Hard will only make about 250-275whp. I don't care what people on H-T say, bring it to Atlanta and we will see. You will have to have at least 550cc injectors, and 3in exhaust.

Finally, about the Civic with the NSX motor. This was a FWD drag car that was in a magazine about 3-4 years ago. It was a EK hb that was chop top. D16civic was right.

[Vteckidd]

Telling ya what he had done and the price. I don't know what kind of hook ups he's got but the car sure is fast. Been two years now and its still running strong. I don't have his break down but the next time I visit I'll get it. And he did get the swap for $1500. Bought it off this kid who had his gsr t-boned. Had about 60k on the motor A bit more mileage than a JDM would usually come with. But it had been well taken care of. Don't know if I can get you a break down but I'll try next time I visit him. Just wanted to point out for everybody that there are many ways to boost and it can be done outside the box even when others tell you it can't be done and it won't be reliable.
I've learned through many years of people telling me I can't do something that if you are patient and persistent you can do what needs to be done.
P.S. his put together kit also included a performance clutch and flywheel to handle the extra power. I didn't see it on your breakdown. But your kit looks like a killer deal! To bad my civic is a daily beater and all my money is being sunk into my integra's build.

problems with your scenario:
1) im a shop, if a custoemr comes to me i dont have time to search auctions and find a wrecked GSR or $1500. Now, if this guy wants to search and try to find one go for it, more power to you. But i have been to auctions, and i deal with engine importers every week. IT IS EXTREMELY RARE TO FIND A FULL GSR SWAP FOR $1500. if it was so common everyone would have one.

2) As i said $1500 will not get you a RELIABLE 300whp turbo kit. Our kits come with brand new parts. yes you can prob scrounge ebay and buy USED parts, but as always buyer beware. this also assumes you do all the labor and work yourself. run all the oil lines, fit the downpipe and turbo manifold, clock the turbo yourself, cut and modify the frnt bumper yourself to fit the intercooler, fit the piping , etc.

3) I will tell you right now what you need to make 300whp on a b series and its WAY more than $1500. and now your saying it included a clutch and a flywheel? well shit, im in the wrong business. im not saying its not possible, but its a ONE TIME deal and it will take MONTHS scrounging and haggling prices for USED parts to build his kit.

I mean lets use our head here:
DECENT Clutch and flywheel-$500
DECENT turbo (T3/T4) $300-400 USED
DECENT intercooler-$200-300
DECENT BOV-$150 USED

ok im already at your $1500 limit. i have not included piping, tubo manifold, engine managment, etc. now if he bought some ss autochrome crap off ebay that came with a cheapo knock off BOV and wastegate, and a crappy manifold with a XS turbo, then MAYBE he made a kit out of it, but it WONT MAKE 300whp.

if you can show me a Turbo kit that made 300whp AND it came with a clutch and flywheel AND Uberdata for $1500, ill buy 50 kits tomrrow.

Credit card in hand and waiting.

ITS NOT POSSIBLE, PERIOD

[djmaddmartin]

???????????????????????? Dude... He paid $4300 out the door. (check previous posts) I never said he got the whole thing done for $1500. And all the items are reliable. He's been runing the car for 2yrs now. Just the facts not opinion. And as for finding a GSR swap for $1500, true you don't find a cheap swap everyday, but neither do you find someone who buys everything at once. Most people collect the parts they need over time and do then build. Its more economical since you can jump on sweet deals. Not used cheap crap but good quality stuff. Your getting your feathers ruffled for the wrong reasons. I just wanted to prove a point that a b-series swap boosted can be just as affordable as a d-series. Not cheaper just affordable. And, yeah... you need an upgraded clutch and flywheel to be truely out the door. Sorry.

problems with your scenario:
1) im a shop, if a custoemr comes to me i dont have time to search auctions and find a wrecked GSR or $1500. Now, if this guy wants to search and try to find one go for it, more power to you. But i have been to auctions, and i deal with engine importers every week. IT IS EXTREMELY RARE TO FIND A FULL GSR SWAP FOR $1500. if it was so common everyone would have one.

2) As i said $1500 will not get you a RELIABLE 300whp turbo kit. Our kits come with brand new parts. yes you can prob scrounge ebay and buy USED parts, but as always buyer beware. this also assumes you do all the labor and work yourself. run all the oil lines, fit the downpipe and turbo manifold, clock the turbo yourself, cut and modify the frnt bumper yourself to fit the intercooler, fit the piping , etc.

3) I will tell you right now what you need to make 300whp on a b series and its WAY more than $1500. and now your saying it included a clutch and a flywheel? well shit, im in the wrong business. im not saying its not possible, but its a ONE TIME deal and it will take MONTHS scrounging and haggling prices for USED parts to build his kit.

I mean lets use our head here:
DECENT Clutch and flywheel-$500
DECENT turbo (T3/T4) $300-400 USED
DECENT intercooler-$200-300
DECENT BOV-$150 USED

ok im already at your $1500 limit. i have not included piping, tubo manifold, engine managment, etc. now if he bought some ss autochrome crap off ebay that came with a cheapo knock off BOV and wastegate, and a crappy manifold with a XS turbo, then MAYBE he made a kit out of it, but it WONT MAKE 300whp.

if you can show me a Turbo kit that made 300whp AND it came with a clutch and flywheel AND Uberdata for $1500, ill buy 50 kits tomrrow.

Credit card in hand and waiting.

ITS NOT POSSIBLE, PERIOD

[Vteckidd]

Ok now your backpeddaling

heres what you said in case you dont remember:

Originally Posted by djmaddmartin
List your part break down for the D series build. I checked out the kit on ebay and its missing a bunch of stuff. Show me the exact breakdown of your d-series out the door. Just curious. May make you some business too. Sounds like a killer deal. I can get a gsr full swap for $1500 by the way -USDM. $1500 for a turbo kit. $500 for clutch/flywheel. $4000-4500 out the door making 300+hp. My boy in Florida payed $4300 out the door for his. I of course am going to spend way more than that. But I'm aiming for a bit more power potential.

Once again, Show me what turbo you would use to make 300whp and what your $1500 kit would come with. You have to have SOME kind of idea what it takes to make 300whp on a B series to say you can do it for $1500. still waiting........

If you are claiming your "boy" spent $4300 out the door on just a TURBO KIT and a clutch, then i believe that. but thats NOT what you said, you said , I can get a GSR swap for $1500 and a 300whp Turbo kit for $1500. which im telling you is WRONG you cant do it.

This guy has a D series, so it would cost him $2000-3000 for a GSR swap AND $700-1000 for labor. which is what this whole fucking thread is about. Should he swap a B series motor in or boost his D series. with the budget he has i would boost his D series. He wold enjoy it and it would last a long time and he would have spent hi money wisely IMO.

Now, im a shop, and this kid asked a question. from A SHOP STANDPOINT, as i stated earlier, i dont have time to SHOP around for months collecting parts. no shop does. if the customer wants to do it then more power to him. i have no problem with that. You said its $4500 for a BOOSTED B series that makes 300whp and that INCLUDED THE SWAP. Im telling you your WRONG. now if your talking about boosting a D series and boosting a B series and your not factoring in a swap, then yes its around the same price and the B series will make more power. DUH.

So far i have heard you say taht you can build an all motor engine that was totally wrong and didnt even make any sense with what you posted. now your saying you can build a 300whp turbo kit for $1500.

ok man, go ahead, tell me what your kit has, thats all im asking. just list to me the turbo and nijectors you would use along with how many lbs of boost. my feathers arent ruffled, your just posting wrong info and you have given me nothing to think otherwise.


i still have my credit card in hand.........

And, yeah... you need an upgraded clutch and flywheel to be truely out the door. Sorry.

i agree, and i do offer clutches and flywheels as EXTRA, turbonetics, full race, rev hard, Drag, none of them offer clutch and flywheel upgrades because that is in excess of a TURBO KIT.

[djmaddmartin]

Dude. Thats what he has. That is what he paid in total. Just wanted to lay it out there. And many people including me buy parts over time for a build they plan to have done by at a shop. I of course spent much more because I wanted the best and the ability to run higher levels of boost in the future. I know you have to run a shop and all you can do is what you can do. Fine. Thats the way you roll but not I nor many people who put their packages together here on IA. Your gettin way too worked up over this. And true this started out as a NA b series swap vs. d series boosted. But people were putting up dyno charts of 300, 400, and even 500hp d-series builds that were clearly way more than $3,500(built motors). So I choose to adjust the comparison. There. If thats back peddling so be it. And by the way. I've dusted 2 boosted d-series in a b-series swaped EF. That is also an undisputable fact. But go and blow your top over that too.

Ok now your backpeddaling

heres what you said in case you dont remember:


Once again, Show me what turbo you would use to make 300whp and what your $1500 kit would come with. You have to have SOME kind of idea what it takes to make 300whp on a B series to say you can do it for $1500. still waiting........

If you are claiming your "boy" spent $4300 out the door on just a TURBO KIT and a clutch, then i believe that. but thats NOT what you said, you said , I can get a GSR swap for $1500 and a 300whp Turbo kit for $1500. which im telling you is WRONG you cant do it.

This guy has a D series, so it would cost him $2000-3000 for a GSR swap AND $700-1000 for labor. which is what this whole fucking thread is about. Should he swap a B series motor in or boost his D series. with the budget he has i would boost his D series. He wold enjoy it and it would last a long time and he would have spent hi money wisely IMO.

Now, im a shop, and this kid asked a question. from A SHOP STANDPOINT, as i stated earlier, i dont have time to SHOP around for months collecting parts. no shop does. if the customer wants to do it then more power to him. i have no problem with that. You said its $4500 for a BOOSTED B series that makes 300whp and that INCLUDED THE SWAP. Im telling you your WRONG. now if your talking about boosting a D series and boosting a B series and your not factoring in a swap, then yes its around the same price and the B series will make more power. DUH.

So far i have heard you say taht you can build an all motor engine that was totally wrong and didnt even make any sense with what you posted. now your saying you can build a 300whp turbo kit for $1500.

ok man, go ahead, tell me what your kit has, thats all im asking. just list to me the turbo and nijectors you would use along with how many lbs of boost. my feathers arent ruffled, your just posting wrong info and you have given me nothing to think otherwise.


i still have my credit card in hand.........


i agree, and i do offer clutches and flywheels as EXTRA, turbonetics, full race, rev hard, Drag, none of them offer clutch and flywheel upgrades because that is in excess of a TURBO KIT.

[Vteckidd]

Ok now your backpeddaling

heres what you said in case you dont remember:


Once again, Show me what turbo you would use to make 300whp and what your $1500 kit would come with. You have to have SOME kind of idea what it takes to make 300whp on a B series to say you can do it for $1500. still waiting........

If you are claiming your "boy" spent $4300 out the door on just a TURBO KIT and a clutch, then i believe that. but thats NOT what you said, you said , I can get a GSR swap for $1500 and a 300whp Turbo kit for $1500. which im telling you is WRONG you cant do it.

This guy has a D series, so it would cost him $2000-3000 for a GSR swap AND $700-1000 for labor. which is what this whole fucking thread is about. Should he swap a B series motor in or boost his D series. with the budget he has i would boost his D series. He wold enjoy it and it would last a long time and he would have spent hi money wisely IMO.

Now, im a shop, and this kid asked a question. from A SHOP STANDPOINT, as i stated earlier, i dont have time to SHOP around for months collecting parts. no shop does. if the customer wants to do it then more power to him. i have no problem with that. You said its $4500 for a BOOSTED B series that makes 300whp and that INCLUDED THE SWAP. Im telling you your WRONG. now if your talking about boosting a D series and boosting a B series and your not factoring in a swap, then yes its around the same price and the B series will make more power. DUH.

So far i have heard you say taht you can build an all motor engine that was totally wrong and didnt even make any sense with what you posted. now your saying you can build a 300whp turbo kit for $1500.

ok man, go ahead, tell me what your kit has, thats all im asking. just list to me the turbo and nijectors you would use along with how many lbs of boost. my feathers arent ruffled, your just posting wrong info and you have given me nothing to think otherwise.


i still have my credit card in hand.........


i agree, and i do offer clutches and flywheels as EXTRA, turbonetics, full race, rev hard, Drag, none of them offer clutch and flywheel upgrades because that is in excess of a TURBO KIT.

Once again

ANSWER ME THE QUESTIONS I ASKED. I bolded them for you. tell me what your boys "kit" came with and post his dyno graph. other wise i call bullshit.
Post what size turbo you need to make 300whp and what his kit comes with. thats all you have to do.

Lets debate the facts:
you said $4500 for a GSR swap AND A TURBO KIT that can make 300whp. i am telling you to tell me what your kit consists of. Cause i dont believe it.

You then said your boy had a $4300 turbo kit with a clutch and flywheel that made 300whp. ok i assume he had a GSR to begin with so thats fine. if that $4300 included a Turbo kit and a swap, post a dyno and post WAHT THE KIT CAME WITH.

your arguing me without presenting any facts or any evidence on your behalf. this is really just too easy.

The fact taht you beat 2 d series turbos is irrelevant. i beat a K series Turbo on the highway with my all motor CRX. so what, who cares. A d series turbo with 200whp in a EF will KILL a stock swapped B series CRX. FACT. you prob raced a heavy EK or EG chassis

Still waiting...............................

[Vteckidd]

1st. I never said I built fast cars.

I can make a N/A b series go faster than a d for the same or less money. Period. And I have lots of room to grow as where the d must be fully built to pull out any more power. Turbo kit and its acessory trimmings for a D $3000-$5000 plus Labor $1500-$2500. Dude. I can set up a sweet B series for that. B18c bored to a 2.0, type R pistons, head work, type R cams etc and still spend Less Money and be as fast or faster with room to grow. D stands for DEAD END even on a budget. But don't get me wrong, I LOVE my d-series! My daily driver gets 40mpg! Wooo hooo!

So who is the "I" you keep talking about? you said it NOT ME. you said you could build an NA B series for the same money. where is this bored GSR with ITR pistons at List to me your Cost Breakdown of what it takes to build an 200whp NA B series please. and then list your PHANTOM 300whp turbo kit.

2nd. I'm telling you what my friend told me he had paid in total (after about a yr of finding parts) for his integra to be turboed. I don't have his reciepts. Don't believe me fine. I don't care.

then call your friend up and ask him what his turbo kit came with, or can you not figure taht part out. am i moving to fast for you, can you not keep up? can you get me his dyno please or just tell me the numbers it made? can you find out what turbo, what manifold, and ROUGHLY how much he spent on each part so you can account for his $4300. cause you said you could build a 300whp turbo B series for $4300 which INCLUDED a $1500 swap. NOW your saying your buddy had a Integra (which already has a B series in it) that he made 300whp for $4300. I could build the same thing for LESS money , so your friend got ripped off.

3rd. Yeah I used to street race but never ever come close to being knocked out. I don't do that stupid shit anymore. If you do your a dumb ass.

Really, you never actually RACED, but you were there every weekend everytime i went and you dont remember mouthing off to the little asian guy in the RSX? he got in your face and you backed down, you dont remember that? hmmm
you were the one trying to ORGANIZE it so why is it so stupid now? or is it cause your gonna be a "track " racer now

4th. I am building my car, for myself, not to prove any point to your ass or anyone else. I've saved up for the good stuff and I'm going to enjoy my car for no one else, for no ones respect (espcially yours) and, for no one's standards.

Congrats, i hope it makes the 600whp you told me at the varsity it was going to make. Im just saying you claim all this shit you cant back up, and then you get pissy like a girl.

5th. I live in dacula so you do the math on distance

Once again, you said its FAR from atlanta. you didnt say FAR from DACULA. so EVERY shop this is not CLOSE to your house is far away or not good enough? your retarded.

6th. Your one hostile person. You need to learn to control your temper. Once again you've proved your level of maturity. End of Discussion

im not hostile, im laughing. you cant win this arguement. hell , you just keep digging a deeper hole, ill be more than happy to say this all to your face so dont try an ETHUG and then back out.

keep trying , your losing.

i thought you were done posting in this thread?

[93H22ACX]

thats enough sirs




a good reliabe turbo setup that makes 300whp will be more than $1500 in parts alone.

all used parts if you want to get a junkyard turbo:

Turbo.................... $400
manifold..................$300
bov........................$100
wastegate...............$100
FMU.......................$100
ic Pipnig..................$200
ic..........................$250
dp.........................$200
flanges....................$30
misc fittings............$200
tunning.....................$300

This is a real cheap and ugly kit HAHHAHA and its over $1800

so in all reality... 300whp will cost more than $1500

[Vteckidd]

thats enough sirs




a good reliabe turbo setup that makes 300whp will be more than $1500 in parts alone.

all used parts if you want to get a junkyard turbo:

Turbo.................... $400
manifold..................$300
bov........................$100
wastegate...............$100
FMU.......................$100
ic Pipnig..................$200
ic..........................$250
dp.........................$200
flanges....................$30
misc fittings............$200

This is a real cheap and ugly kit HAHHAHA and its over $1800

THANK YOU.

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