Megasquirted e36 m52
I have a 1998 BMW 323is with an M52. I want to turbo it and put a stand alone in. Apexi's kit is about 3g's and it piggybacks off of the BMW motronic computer. I could do a megasquirt kit and wire it up, but im not really familiar with the tuning. If i could get it to a rough setting, i could tune it to where i wanted. Does anyone have a similar setup that they could send me their megatune info. Or is there an auto tune setting? Any info on tuning would be awesome.
i would suggest calling Batlground for tuning www.batlground.com
the best place to get an existing map to strart from is one of the bmw forums if someone has used it there, or from one of the megasquirt forums.
check diyautotune.com and you may be able to go from there.
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Check out The Racer's Market. They are located in Atlanta and have TONS of bmw turbo stuff to offer. I would also suggest working with the DME instead of going with the megasquirt.
98 Subaru Legacy GT
89 325i. 400hp hoon-mobile.
Do anything besides Megasquirt
megasquirt is nice but you really really really really really really (did i stress it enough?) need to know what you're doing before diving in. It is cost effective and as good as any aftermarket EMS, but if you don't know, or care to learn about what you are doing wholly, you will end up with a POS that will never run right. If you don't care to learn the intricacies of say....dwell from your coilpacks, or fine tuning the rate of oscillation from your boost controller, or building a tach output circuit, it is not for you. That being said if you like tweaking every facet of the car, build and wire the damn thing yourself, or you'll run into problems. Its a great EMS, i love mine, but its a very DIY type system. Also, become good friends with an MS guru.
But it is a very nice learning experience and you will become more intimate with your car, than perhaps you even thought possible.
My car is factory....
Every single performance part and or modification it has was made in a factory somewhere.
its not like that any more, you can buy a prebuilt box now a days and wiring isn't so bad... Many places can tune it and the software is fairly similar to other EMS programs...Originally Posted by superboost
MS2 PCB 3.0 = teh sh1t
diyautotune.com is located in Smyrna GA, thats where I got the megasquirt unit for my starion.
Scotty, remember you tuned the megasquirt setup on my starion once, a long time ago
but yeah the wiring part is the real kicker, the tuning part shouldn't be too terrible(especially if you're having someone else do it lol).
go to http://www.msefi.com/index.php see if anyone has posted a base map for your car.... and then have it tuned from there, it'll save you some $
Spectre sells a unit based off megasquirt:
http://www.spectreperformance.com/emspro/faqs.html
the spectre is really nice. A friend of mine bought one. I'm running an older 2.2 pcb (i know...i need to upgrade) with a daughter card for coil pack ackshun and boost control.
Oh and yes...after having two harnesses in my car, I can attest to a ratty harness causing your car to do wierd ish.
My car is factory....
Every single performance part and or modification it has was made in a factory somewhere.
Yea the wiring is the bad part. That's the problem for the tuners...not the actual tuning itself. The mega squirt kind of markets to those who want to DIY. Some people really have no business wiring anything
Huge mistake. Been there seen people doing that years ago. Convert it to obd1 and have the STOCK ECU tuned. It can do anything and almost anything any standalone can do. Contact TRM (a.k.a) The Racers Market in Swuanee for info on this. They have cars around the country shipped to them to have this done and messed up standaloned cars in which they convert back to stock..believe it or not. Also, they have 500-600+ RWHP cars on the stock ECU, including a 140mph+ 1/4 mile car that was on Pinks. You can run multiple maps and do everything you'd dream of and not have the headaches of a standalone.
Also, i'd highly recommend not gettin such a low quality kit. If you research you'll find that kit's like Ebay, Apexi etc crack manifolds and heat soak like no other. They are pieced together, not tested. The Technique Tuning and the TRM kits are the BEST on the market and both are 5500-6900k. Also, i've driven and seen first hand a street mod race car with a TRM Stg 2 kit run all day at the track. I know that a bone stock 325is with 150k and a TRM stage 2 kit made 444whp at 9:5:1 compression on the stock ECU fully tuned on 93!!!. Take a look and PM me if you need more info i've owned several BMW's.
I would not at all. I don't even know if anyone there is even somewhat knowledgeable about BMW's nor have I ever heard on any of the largest BMW forums of a single car/race car going there....Ever.
The Racers Market has F.I cars and race cars shipped around the country to them just for there BMW tuning and they are in ATLANTA!! Some of there club racing cars are "unfair" because they make so much more power then "chipped/flashed" cars so everyone is sending there cars to them. They have made a huge footprint on the BMW community doing one-of-a-kind modified stock ECU full tunes. They also make numbers that make an AA "tune" or "comforti tune" look like a pure joke.
Last edited by OnURleft; 10-05-2008 at 12:08 AM.
www.batlground.com
Dan is knowledgeable on tuning any car that is EFI. So, now you knowHis very first "fast car" was a E46 BMW M3. Bought it off the waiting list. Sold it to open the shop in 2001. Just because his name isn't on every forum that god created, isn't cause to say that the OP should not "at all" go there.
LOL. Wrong. I myself have had Dan help me tune a turbo E36 to the tune of 550whp, and it's not the only one he's done. His all motor E46, that he built the motor for, and tuned himself, was making 400whp, and that was 6-7yrs ago. He's more than capable of tuning ANYTHING. I've seen him do mustangs, vipers, all sorts of sport compact cars, volvos, and yes, even bimmers! He was about to crack the ecu on my B6 S4 when it first came out too. Dan was also the FIRST person in this state to get an AEM to work correctly when everyone else had all but given up on them. He flies under the radar, but the proof is there. He was running 8's in his supra back in 2003, and many people are just starting to catch up NOW...nearly 6yrs later. BG can build/tune w/e is thrown at them. I've been around this scene long enough to have seen it. Just a fact.
Good to hear. Now I can say otherwise. However, i'd love to see this "all motor" E46 putting down 400whp which is absolutely unlikely without a stroker kit, and that fact that it was 6-7 yrs ago is just utter B.S. Don't kid yourself, 360whp is easy out of an S54 but 400whp is much easier said than done. Please tell me how he did this, yet on one of the most active one make car forum (Bimmerforums).. he really has no reputation or mention?
Also, it would be interesting to see the specs on the 550whp E36. Shame someone had to go stand alone to make such basic numbers on an E36. Modified stock ECU + C16 + Bone stock 325is with 9:5:1 will make 500whp with the "right" tune. I.M.O you'll get laughed right off the a BMW board if your working with a standalone and not making over 600whp on pump gas.
Last edited by OnURleft; 10-05-2008 at 10:59 PM.
I don't have specs on the E46, but considering that Dan has an engineering degree from GA Tech, I wouldn't put anything past him. I do know that the motor was built from top to bottom, cams, intake, etc.
LOL, do you understand EFI tuning? "Modified ecu" is a reflash, and the parameters changed are no different than those in a standalone ems. Timing, boost, and A/F are the only ways to make power, so it's all the same no mater any way you cut it. The only advantages of the reflash is the fact that in many cases, some stock sensors/features have more trouble being used/manipulated when a standalone is in place. Map axxis look the same, but some have less resolution. Standalone ems have more advanced idle, warmup, and extra features, which is why people choose them.
The E36 that was tuned had stock bottom end, GT35 (61mm), and I believe some cams. It had an Electromotive in it, which is very basic. The numbers were on pump gas. I started the tune, and Dan finished it.
Laughed off the Bimmer boards? LOL. Let me know when the bench racers build an 8sec car with their own hands/tuning, then they can talk. Dans rep with tuners in this country is top notch. None of them are laughing, I can assure you of that.
Dang it! I wish our gallery was working. I would post the pics of one of the BMW race car he tuned. I ain't going to jump on your case. I just want you to be a little but more open minded and selective with your words. Know something for a FACT personally before you try to steer a potential customer away from ones business. I know that you know that forums don't = life. I actually just found out last weekend that one of the guys cars that Dan tuned (Viper club TT Viper) claims that he did the tuning himself. I've also been in a parking lot when someone was claiming that Dan blew up their car to a whole audience of people listening...not knowing who I was when they said it right in front of me. Once I questioned him about it and what kind of car, etc., it turned out that Knowledge Performance actually tuned it and he was just like "Batlground, Knowledge, whatever!" I mentioned these 2 separate issues as an example of how things go down sometimes.
I would also like to say that sometimes, no news is better news than bad news. Sometimes you never hear the good. People tend to post or speak when they have had a complaint. That's just general human nature. That's not to say that people don't speak about good news. Sometimes the person spreading the bad news has a vendetta. This is ALL GENERALLY speaking. Also, OLD rich folks don't get on forums for the most part. We have TONS of old rich dudes that come to the shop and have NEVER been on a forum. Just something to think about.
Another tiny example of how things go down. When Dan built my Evo, everyone couldn't believe the numbers. Some even said he photoshopped the dyno chart or had to be using nitrous. This went on for a few years. Everytime he upped the anty, people said it was impossible. That is until we took it to the track and whooped on everyone with it. Now those numbers are standard for Evo's...but they weren't when they first came out. He is pretty innovative and approaches car building and tuning from a different angle than most. He puts his engineering degree from GA Tech to pretty good use.
No one can control what system a customer wants to run, flash, piggy back or stand alone. He tunes whatever they bring him hunShame someone had to go stand alone to make such basic numbers on an E36. Modified stock ECU + C16 + Bone stock 325is with 9:5:1 will make 500whp with the "right" tune. I.M.O you'll get laughed right off the a BMW board if your working with a standalone and not making over 600whp on pump gas.and sometimes they choose their own components. Just sayin.
Last edited by Tracy; 10-06-2008 at 09:24 AM.
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