painting car question..

[1NonlyAccord]

I got new doors last week,so it was blue car with gray doors..so i decided to try to paint them at the house.
had a buddy from work get the paint mixed up for me,
Shop-Line; probably not the best in the world but atleast its blue.

1st) i sprayed the sides last week *Thinking it was already Reduced like i ASKD* but it sprayed out like sandpaper-looks flat blue,feels like sandpaper.

2)Went yesterday and got some specialty reducer for all temps, its a 1:1 Ratio, Sprayed it and still goes flat blue,and textured.?

Any Ideas getting actual SMOOTH base coat?

spraying with a (1.4mm)Sharp SGF-HLVP,gravity feed

kinda to show what it looks like and talking bout..and yes 2 clear coats too.. VVVVV


comparison to what it use to look like before i messed it up..ha bumper>Fender

[Bruce Leroy]

How did you prep?

[1NonlyAccord]

Last week; 400g on doors, then 800g on quarter and fenders so i could blend.
Dupont-wax grease remover, Tack-cloth after every coat layed down.

Then yesterday completely sanded the side down with 320G,Wax grease remover,tack..sprayed

[Bruce Leroy]

Is it a single stage? Or a base/clear?

You will get a quicker, better answer here

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[1NonlyAccord]

base/clear. im just having trouble laying the base down smooth.the clear like soaks into the dimples and still feels textured and dull.

i tryed to wetsand and buff the drivers side last week.
had to do 1000g to cut the texture down faster,1500 then 2000 and 3000..went through few places...and looks hazy cuz where the texture was are like small bubbles that show through the old color..of that makes since..

[The BUCKY]

just looks like base doenst looke like it was cleared. even if the base is not smooth the clear should come out shiny

[1NonlyAccord]

just looks like base doenst looke like it was cleared. even if the base is not smooth the clear should come out shiny

it has 2 coats of clear,thats what i was saying,the textured base soaks the clear into the crevicest..the end of the fender and quarter turned out best because it was just recleared,no color was shot..but it still has like big dropplets of paint splatterd in it.what it looks like when spraying..

[1NonlyAccord]

can i wet sand the base to make smooth..then put clear over top of it?

[AnthonyF]

not bad for outside work. Wheres the clear at though?

-Ant.

edit: so you have clear on there? Just wet sand the clear and buff out to a beautiful shine.

[The BUCKY]

its alot more probs than i can fix on the net

[VQ35 Star]

You said you cleared those panels??? Looks like a flattening agent was added to the clear. How many PSI are you shooting the clear, and how many coats, and how thick are you spraying the clear? And did you mix the clear correctly? Most clears that I have worked with are either 4:1:1. But southern polyurethane universal clear coat mixes 1:1.

The base coat doesn't have to be that smooth, because base coat is just for color, the clear coat is your glamour coat. BUt if you want the base to be slick then yes you can wet sand the base pref. with 1000-1500 grit wet/dry.

To be honest doesn't look like you sprayed clear at all.
(i usually spray clear with a 1.4 and base with a 1.3)

And you don't necessarily need to wet sand with 1k and work your self up to 3k to buff. At work we just wet sand with 1500 and buff that out with a heavy cutting compoud with foam yellow cutting pad, then polish with 3m finesse it and black foam polishing pad. and comes out perfect. No need to break your back.

[The BUCKY]

the blue does look kinda bad ass though

[VQ35 Star]

yea it does.

[1NonlyAccord]

I just sprayed a test panel off my pocket bike..it still has texture but not as bad..and shine..with 3 coats of clear..and 3 coats of base.. ill post pics in a sec..

[VQ35 Star]

explain this texture. does it look like dry spray or like an orange peel effect? Maybe your spraying at too low a pressure.

[The BUCKY]

thats what it soudns like. or not enough material on the panles

[1NonlyAccord]

im spraying about 25psi for base..then 40ish for clear...
but im using the pre-mixed duplicolor clear..

texture as in,looks like a piece of sandpaper..ha like literally flat blue sandpaper.
like yesterday when i was spraying,looked like it was just spitting out paint dropplets?

[1NonlyAccord]

this turned out alot better than the car..but still has texture and not laying smooth..

[The BUCKY]

looks like no enough clear period


where did you get the clear from

[1NonlyAccord]

advanced auto..its the duplicolor paint shop..pre mixed..

i know its cheap,but i just wanted to be atleast blue..even if it looks like a single stage paint job..but the texture is bothering me..

[greasemunkey]

advanced auto..its the duplicolor paint shop..pre mixed..

oops nvm thats why...go to sherwin williams

[1NonlyAccord]

this is what it turned out looking like after i buffed it the last time(last week)..its kinda hard to explain what it looked like..you can see from the pic.
now when i go get some new clearcoat..would i just scotch gray-pad to scuff it up to reclear?



Looked like crap..textured flat blue looked better than that...haha

[greasemunkey]

with some of the new clears I was told that the mix they tell you is off just to save you problems but it doesnt help, try mixing in more clear

[The BUCKY]

yea that stuff sux the most balls ever in one mouth.

[1NonlyAccord]

i understand its cheap and crap..but its all i have at the moment..but is there anyway to spray it alteast flat/smooth..

whats the proper psi setting for clear and gun settings ect?

[greasemunkey]

i understand its cheap and crap..but its all i have at the moment..but is there anyway to spray it alteast flat/smooth..

whats the proper psi setting for clear and gun settings ect?

with clear you need to blow it out alot harder/faster than paint...I went through all my clearcoat painting my car and still had almost half of my paint left

[Captain-Obvious™]

I vouch that that clear coat sucks...

mike tried that sh.it on his tail lights and it didn't work at all

[1NonlyAccord]

well im gonna go out and redo my drivers side..since i messed it up when i TRYED to save the paint and buff it.but just made it look worse..

hopfully i got my gun adjusted better so its not 'spitting out paint droplets'

[frostbyte]

are u wipein the panel down good before paint??? also due to spraygun tip the low pressure my be drysprayin like a mf'r. if so itll feel like sandpaper and any metallic will stand up instead of layin down. and the bubbles to original color sounds like fisheye.. some sort of oil bases shine or wax on serface still

[VQ35 Star]

I usually spray my base at around 20 psi and my clear around 25-30psi.

You need to final sand with a higher grit sand paper too. Looking at your paint there are a lot of sand scratches. Before you spray the clear wet sand with 1000 and re-base to get rid of those sand scratches. I usually final sand with 800 around the primer, and grey/1000 wet where I blend.

And for the clear you bought at autozone, i've never used to so i can't say anything. But from the looks of it, doesn't look good. Just go to a paint store (finish masters off of huricane shoals in lawrenceville) and get a clear coat/activator kit. you can get a kit at around $70 for the smart clear, it is def. much MUCH better than the stuff you bought at autozone.

[frostbyte]

clean ur tip tear down the gun clean that sumahmaitch gooooood

[VQ35 Star]

Yea, that could also be a problem. Get some lacquer thinner, take the gun apart and let it soak with the lacquer thinner for like 15-20 min. take them out and brush them off and whip them down, and see if that helps.

[1NonlyAccord]

well i just sprayed 2coats so far of base..the texture is down alot but still there..im going to do one more coat of base..then ill take a pic..im waiting for it to flash again.before next coat..
so wet sand the base with 1000..THEN clear it?

[The BUCKY]

dont sand before clear. the clear will level out any un evenness in teh base

[1NonlyAccord]

ok,im going to go lay down the 3rd coat of base real quick..it looks dull with no metalllic..is that good so far? with minimum texture now.

[1NonlyAccord]

ok dont laugh..its ghetto..but it works.surprisingly almost no trash?! but then again still looks like shti..ha

This time i redid the drivers side; this side i previsoly buffed..so i 600G wetsand since i pretty much was already through the clear already to make smooth..cleaned up..then sprayed..

3coats of blue.this time i lightly dusted it and held gun little farther away to reduce paint droplet forming. base looks much better than other 2times i tryed not AS much texture.still dull and no metallic...now its all on to the clear...

[The BUCKY]

base looks better

[1NonlyAccord]

ya i think my problem is the clear..its not really doing anything..ha
so ill spray my 3rd coat in a sec..then do the last 'mist coat' for the metallic..to alteast protect it till i get money for real clear.ha

[greasemunkey]

go buy better clearcoat its not too expensive, maybe 80 bucks for some decent/good stuff

[1NonlyAccord]

i quit my job last week..so i dont have money to spend..ha thats why im stuck with the duplicolor paint shop at the moment..

after i sell some car parts ill go get some clear coat.that kit mentioned above^ sounds like its close around.