ummm, what is the weight difference in a miata and b13SER?
I vote SER and I'm gonna kick your ass if you get a miata...
ummm, what is the weight difference in a miata and b13SER?
I vote SER and I'm gonna kick your ass if you get a miata...
'92 C2500 6.5 Turbo Diesel | '96 240sx
WTF ELCIPSE FTL.
HEAVY fwd v. not as heavy but still heavy FWD v. light RWD? is it that hard??
i ran a stock SE-R once from 50-100 and my front wheels were at his rears, so there isnt a HUGE difference. i do like SE-Rs though as far as FWD goes.
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oh come on, look at the miata's racing history and say that realisticly Eclipse vs a miata HAH
I spend money on HP not Brand Names.
08 Infiniti G37s 6MT [The Daily Beast]
05 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII MR [Sold]
01 Lexus Is300 [Under Construction]
93 mazda Mx-3 SE 2.5 Klze [Sold]
92 mazda mx-3 GS 2.0 Kfze [I Killed it]
looking like ima get the SE-R. for 1800 i can have a mech perfect SE-R. So yeahhh. not that heavy, only abt 2300 lbs. decent power, and great handling....so yeah.
97 DX Civic w/ H22 FS
take 650 buy a mx-3 take the 1150 drop a bpt in it and zoom zoom zoom away from the se-r
I spend money on HP not Brand Names.
08 Infiniti G37s 6MT [The Daily Beast]
05 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII MR [Sold]
01 Lexus Is300 [Under Construction]
93 mazda Mx-3 SE 2.5 Klze [Sold]
92 mazda mx-3 GS 2.0 Kfze [I Killed it]
lol, only mazda ill get is a miata or rx-8. Honda or Nissan ftw
97 DX Civic w/ H22 FS
What the fuck? I didn't say shit about he should be getting an eclipse, I didn't even bring eclipse up. Don't diss my car bitch because I didn't diss your's. I said I'd kick his ass because I've wanted a SER for like 10 years and if he got this I'd get one too.Originally Posted by jesse4846
Last time I checked a 91 ser isn't all that heavy, my car is heavy for a 4 cyl (yet not as heavy as the 4 cyl tbird I had was), and a miata isn't OMFG light. But I commonly hear that a miata has no balls what-so-ever. Hell, my dad has had a few miatas and dogs them harder than any other car he's had for more than just the slow ass nature of them.
'92 C2500 6.5 Turbo Diesel | '96 240sx
it seemed like you said you were going to kick his ass if he got a miata IE saying that your car would out run his etc...
I spend money on HP not Brand Names.
08 Infiniti G37s 6MT [The Daily Beast]
05 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII MR [Sold]
01 Lexus Is300 [Under Construction]
93 mazda Mx-3 SE 2.5 Klze [Sold]
92 mazda mx-3 GS 2.0 Kfze [I Killed it]
noo,he jsut wants me to get the SE-R. Its the fastest best handling thing I can get for the money
97 DX Civic w/ H22 FS
he assumed, but it's IA so I expect dumbassery.
'92 C2500 6.5 Turbo Diesel | '96 240sx
its a car forum what would you expect lol, its not dumbassery, it is what it is, he took it that you were saying something specific about a car
I spend money on HP not Brand Names.
08 Infiniti G37s 6MT [The Daily Beast]
05 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII MR [Sold]
01 Lexus Is300 [Under Construction]
93 mazda Mx-3 SE 2.5 Klze [Sold]
92 mazda mx-3 GS 2.0 Kfze [I Killed it]
no, it's dumbassery.
plain and simple.
'92 C2500 6.5 Turbo Diesel | '96 240sx
I would go with the se-r. I didn't know anything about them until I picked mine up about two months ago. I enjoy it... They weigh around 2400 lbs so it's not like they are a brick. The only problem I had with mine was alternater and had to replace the harmonic balancer... Seems to be a good deal for the money if you get it...
Back to being stock and slow
i've raced both miatas and SE-Rs and they're not that bad. for daily driving i think the SE-R would be better though.
miata! lower it and put some nice wheels and later on boost it it will be quick
okay chief, you are in the ****ing zone right now.
i wasnt talking about what you said. he said it was between an eclipse and the SE-R, and i stated my opinion about the 2 cars mentioned and a miata.
i know your car is heavy.
whos the ASSuming dumbass now?
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Miatas are GAY.
Oh, g/l doing even half decent suspension AND engine mods for $800. You'll sink that into suspension (unless you're like 80% of the other broke ass kids buying miatas and get all the ebay brand/super pooooper Tein Sh!t-Tech springs and KYB's). You sound like you don't really care do research proper modification and just want a car that is fast in straight lines.... get the SE-R.... and change your sig. Also, 1.6 L (90-93 aka "the cheap ones") Miatas suck major ass... they ARE slow as balls.
If you even have to ask 8937459843 other people which car you "should" get, you need a reality check. You are the one buying the car.
02' Miata
1.6 > 1.8
^^ FAILERCOPTERS. lol
id trade my 1.6 for a 1.8 any day.
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Why? 1.6's are better motors, and I have never had a problem beating one with similar mods.
Faster revving>a tad more torque
agree MX-3s kickass,one of the msot underrated platforms.......ive been thinking bout getting one to mess round with my honda friends
torque. a flywheel/clutch can make a 1.8 a fast revving torquey motor. thats the best of both worlds.
honestly id rather have a 1.6 with a TLSD than a 1.8 with a VLSD. but thats a different story. lol
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First off, I say get the Miata. RWD>FWD in the end. If you plan to make much more power than stock on the SE-R, you will have to worry about breaking the transmission since they are notoriously weak.
The SE-R weighs around 2470 lbs and has 140hp/132ft-lbs of torque stock. A stock 1.6 NA miata weighs around 2100 lbs and has 121hp/100ft-lbs of torque stock. The Miata has a lower stance and a shorter height without much weight at the top. The Miata is marginally wider than the SE-R (~.2" wider) and has a shorter wheelbase than the SE-R.
About doppelganger's suspension comment, the best/most expensive suspension setup is not always the best. I do agree that proper research is necessary to decide what kind of setup to buy. The spring rate and drop of the springs you pick entirely depends on how you drive and what you plan to do with the car. I would also say a decent set of adjustable dampening shocks is mandatory if you are going to lower a Miata. And like he said, don't buy crap off of ebay - invest in quality suspension components and they will perform well and last.
About the comment about tops - anyone who pays $800 for a soft top is an idiot. You can buy good quality tops for $300 to $450 easily. Like Jesse said, I wouldn't pay $800 for a top unless it was a good hard top.
It isn't just the flywheel/clutch that makes the car rev faster you know - the crankshaft is heavier in the 1.8. I have to agree with Simontibbett, I like the 1.6 engines better. The 1.6 revs quicker than the 1.8, plus the 1.8 isn't much more powerful than the 1.6 despite the increase in displacement. The 1.8 does have more torque, but the 1.6 responds better to FI.
^^true about the clutch/flywheel, but i was just saying that with one small mod you can get the quick revving of a 1.6.
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10lb flywheel + 1.8 = problem solved.
Also,
2001+ BP has a main bearing support cradle
1.8's also get a solid lifter/better flowing head (and can be swapped to ANY 1.8)
Progressive TPS sensor
Better AFM
1.8>1.6
02' Miata
W T F? Really? The 1.6's came with a POS 7" diff.
The 1.8's get the 4.10/ 8" diff
02' Miata
So the best....really isn't the best?
You know, there is a point at which your average Joe won't notice the difference or care about the ride quality between a full custom Ohlins and a Tokico/Tein S-Tech suspension nor would they care to know what makes one better than the other as long as it can go "speed bump scraping high".
But then you get to a level where you can utilize the design of the most expensive suspension..... like me, and care about what's happening under the car.
02' Miata
^So you are saying you are better then all other Miata owners right?
Negative Ghostrider.....
I'm saying that i, myself, have gotten to the level that I can utilize the higher end suspension that is on my car.
02' Miata
Well, I meant that buying an expensive coilover setup is not always the best way to go. Like you said, a lot of people won't be able to take advantage of high-end components. Sometimes having such a good setup can be detrimental to the way that said average person drives.So the best....really isn't the best?
You know, there is a point at which your average Joe won't notice the difference or care about the ride quality between a full custom Ohlins and a Tokico/Tein S-Tech suspension nor would they care to know what makes one better than the other as long as it can go "speed bump scraping high".
E.g. taking advantage of higher spring rates, properly adjusting bound/rebound dampening on shocks, etc.
Also the argument of 1.6 vs. 1.8 really only applies to those of us that can't afford to go buy a later 1.8 to swap in. Its the same reason Honda guys decide to boost their D-series rather than swap a K-series in: money.
lmao...Can you elaborate on that?
I didn't know the miata's drivetrain had such an impact on the automotive world.
Don't freak out.
The drivetrain didn't, the concept of the car did. The whole idea of a rwd convertible 2 seater sports car was virtually gone. It brought back the open-top roadster. The Boxster, BMW Z's, S2K, and Solstice/Sky might not exist if the Miata hadn't revived that market.
Plus its had its impact on the motorsports world... when it came out the Miata was a cheap and competitive car. Meaning the people who can't afford other cars can still compete with them.Don't freak out.
The drivetrain didn't, the concept of the car did. The whole idea of a rwd convertible 2 seater sports car was virtually gone. It brought back the open-top roadster. The Boxster, BMW Z's, S2K, and Solstice/Sky might not exist if the Miata hadn't revived that market.
Also true. ^
There'd be a pretty big gap in the 90's if it weren't for the Miata. Those of us that love rwd (and don't have a ton of money) would have no choice but to own a 240sx, a BMW E30/E36, or a Camaro/Mustang.
Se-r all day! I've owned a few and they've suprised a lot of gsr's w/ bolt ons. Who said ser's are heavy. 2350-2400lbs is perfect for that motor. Best bang for the bucks if you ask me when it comes to fwd.
Don't freak out.
The drivetrain didn't, the concept of the car did. The whole idea of a rwd convertible 2 seater sports car was virtually gone. It brought back the open-top roadster. The Boxster, BMW Z's, S2K, and Solstice/Sky might not exist if the Miata hadn't revived that market.
I'm sure Porsche and BMW were looking for inspiration from Mazda
And I wouldn't attribute the "revival" of the roadster to the Miata...that's a pretty bold statement. Don't freak out, but it's not quite the Automotive Icon you're making it out to be.
Last edited by Spectic Tank; 06-12-2008 at 10:06 PM.
I agree, completely.
But, If it was never put in production i doubt the automotive world would that much different than it is now.
I'm sure Porsche and BMW were looking for inspiration from Mazda
And I wouldn't attribute the "revival" of the roadster to the Miata...that's a pretty bold statement. Don't freak out, but it's not quite the Automotive Icon you're making it out to be.
lol.
stock old miata < old SE-R with slips and header
and to the "the SER tranny won't hold much power" I love him like a brother, but I doubt he boosts or builds it.
We picked up the SE-R tonight anyways...
'92 C2500 6.5 Turbo Diesel | '96 240sx
I won't lie, he mentioned a POS 420a car and we made so much fun of him that I didn't even think he'd mention it here. Besides, you posted right after me, lol.
so my bad.
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'92 C2500 6.5 Turbo Diesel | '96 240sx
Truth, people who don't believe are just dumb assesDon't freak out.
The drivetrain didn't, the concept of the car did. The whole idea of a rwd convertible 2 seater sports car was virtually gone. It brought back the open-top roadster. The Boxster, BMW Z's, S2K, and Solstice/Sky might not exist if the Miata hadn't revived that market.
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