thanks guys for all the info.i figure since i have a "china" turbo that i wanna take all precautions. i orderd a timer and got it today.its actually a knockoff apexi. its an apex. the "pen" style. with the instructions that looks exactly like the apexi online instructions,ECU pinout diagrams and everything.

this is what im going to go from tmr when i install it
http://www.civicforums.com/forums/11...rbo-timer.html

mayb that can answer peoples questions IF they are curious if im not the only dumb one.ha