K series question

[Vteckidd]

theres no replacement for displacement ,d-sereies turboed would be a waste of time

LOL, its still a 1.6l man.

plus, ill have you rn my friend that makes 203whp Turbo NON VTEC D SERIES and ill see what you have to say about that.

FACT:
203whp D series will beat ANY OF THE OTHER SETUPS I HAVE LISTED. AND ITS THE CHEAPEST

however, that is the max for that motor. do HP/DOLLAR. turbo D series is the best for his budget. best for power HANDS DOWN.

[Curbow_USMC]

ok, cool, so vteckidd, what do you think of that turbo kit?

[Vteckidd]

any REPUTABLE shop will charge you $6000-7000. we just did a K20A3 CIVIC SI swap in an 01 Civic EX automatic, cost him $5500 for labor and parts. in an EK chassis theres alot more work.

man, i dont mean to sound like an ass, but you dont have any idea what you are doing. your making all these threads, Building a D series, K swap, Which motor B series to o with. let me make it simple for you.

EASIEST ROUTE FOR QUICK POWER RANKED FROM BEST TO WORST IMO:
1) GSR SWAP
2) B16A SWAP
3) D SERIES TURBO
4) LS SWAP
5) K 20

now i list the K20 last cause i dont think you have the money for it. itll cost around $6000-7000. Type-S front Clips go for $4000-4500, Labor would be around $1200, Mounts are $500-550, plus youll lose AC and i belive Power Stearing as well.

GSR swap you can get away with a nice low mileage swap and labor for around $3700-4000

B16A2 Swap would run you around $3000-3400 for a swap installed

LS would run you around $2200-2700 for a complete swap installed

D SERIES TURBO would run around $1500-2500 depending on what you went with.

Depending on your motors year and mileage, i would look at a D series Turbo. i have a friend that makes 203whp with a nonvtec D series. its a blast to drive, and if you take care of it it can last a long time. plus if the motor blows up who cares, they are $200.

Next i would look at the tried and True GSR swap. 1.8l, DOHC VTEC, it will be considerably faster than what you have now, and youll be happy, plus its a proven platform to turbo or go all mtoor with.

I would choose a B16 over an LS motor simply because you can rev the motors, and they are great candidates for boost, and they have VTEC duh.

LS motor is nice, cheap and easy B series. However, lots of them have high mileage and are ragged out. Plus you cant revthem like their vtec counterparts, and i would boost, but a boosted LS wont make nearly as much as a Boosted B16 or GSR. look at an LS if your limited on funds.

re read. now base on the budget you have, i would save another $1000 and do a turbo kit for the D series. that wuold be your best bet.

i would do a turbo D series or a B16 swap. that wold be my recommendation based on your budget. GSR swap is out of your reach financially, they run another 1000-1700 more than a turbo D series and B16 swap

[Curbow_USMC]

Ok.... I have seen good points, and I think I can get the power I am looking for out of my d16. BUT..... can I do a B16 swap for the same price of a Turbo kit for my D16? If that is the case would I not be better off going with the B16 because I can keep on building and building on the B16 and get even more power in the long run? BUT AGAIN... I also see the point if I Blow the D16 I can replace it for pretty cheep. Just looking for opinions on that. If I go with the D16 will the stock internals hold a turbo? and if not what should I do to prepare for the turbo. I would like to at least port and polish the head to get some extra power. and also should I put a vtec head on my y7? or is the non-vtec head just as good. I have heard that the y7 motors put down more torque than the y8's. so any comments on that?

IA Has been a lot of help so far on all of my million questions, lol, especially vteckidd. Just like to say thanks for putting up with my BS questions. I'm just trying to do things rite the first time.

[D16Civic]

id say 8-10 psi would be the max u would want to run w/ stock internals on ur d16 as long as your getting a good tune for it (which if u go to mainstream you will)
Stock internals should be fine for boost as long as you dont get boost happy and up it way too much

vteckidd says hes seen 203 hp out of a non vtec so i dont see the need to put a vtec head on it

And yes, a b16 will be better for the long run, again, it depends how long u think ull stick with this project and how much money you want to spend

[Vteckidd]

id say 8-10 psi would be the max u would want to run w/ stock internals on ur d16 as long as your getting a good tune for it (which if u go to mainstream you will)
Stock internals should be fine for boost as long as you dont get boost happy and up it way too much

vteckidd says hes seen 203 hp out of a non vtec so i dont see the need to put a vtec head on it

And yes, a b16 will be better for the long run, again, it depends how long u think ull stick with this project and how much money you want to spend

yeah the guy is on here too, ScttyDB411 makes 203whp d16 NON VTEC.

i agree with what you. B series is a better platform, but if you dont want 300whp , and you dont want to spend alot of moeny, or dont have a lot of money, its not worth it. just being honest a B series swap and turbo kit with labor is around $6500-7000. thats a A+ turbo kit.

i would do the turbo D series, youll spend less money than a swap, its boosted, and itll be fun. youll enjoy it, and at teh end of the day, turbo kits dont really diminish in value much, if you get more moeny later on you can prob sell evreything for a good price

[Curbow_USMC]

ok, so what motor work should i do before i slap the turbo on?

as of now, my motor has gotten "the honda tick" now do i get rid of that?

[Vteckidd]

ok, so what motor work should i do before i slap the turbo on?

as of now, my motor has gotten "the honda tick" now do i get rid of that?

do no motor work, unless your behind on your regular maintanence. do a timing belt and water pump if you havent dont one yet.

change your oil, flush your radiator.

i would look at upgrading your clutch first if you have an OEM clutch. then i would save up for the turbo kit

[Hondak20a3]

i am putting a k20 a3 in my 01 civic and its costing me about 5000 and i got the half cut cause i was doin a 5 speed swap also, so i think if u find sum1 thats good u can probably do it for about the same due to the labor would probably be more than it would for mine cause its almost a direct bolt in for mine and for the older body more work would be needed and little modificaions needed for my body style civic but im not really sure for the older body style civics cause their front ends are different but if i was u id go with the b18c unless u gonna try to get the k20A which would give u serious power

[Curbow_USMC]

A K20 would be a dream come true..... But. the moneyi ahve to save for that would be about $6000..... $3000 for the motor and $3000 for the labor. Saving that much money within a year is out of the question. lol, if only the Military payed by the hour.lol