Quote Originally Posted by japan4racing
im not sure about your area but 4 bangers are running 12's in our area....anything slower with 4 pistons and you are not doing it right...if you got a v8 and it runs 12's you need to go home and re-think what you are doing!

for the average joe though a 12-13 second car is more than fast enough for what the avg joe wants to do.....infact that may be too much to the avg person. my dad thought my car was fast when it ran low 15's. and he still thinks stock mustangs are fast

I meant 12 sec was fast for an average person, especially if its a truck. I have some experience with domestic cars. A few years back I built a 2nd gen Trans Am. I started with a mild build (which ran 12's), and then I caught the power bug and dropped some money into it. The one time I ran my F body at the track since the last engine build, I ran 10.62 @ 127 mph on 10.5 nitto nt555r street slicks. I'm sure I could get much more out of it with a 4 link and some real slicks, but I'm afraid the numbers matching pontiac big block engine won't handle a super hard launch like that. It's not worth the risk of blowing the engine. The engine was conservatively built with edelbrock wide port high flow heads, a comp cams roller cam, 1.6:1 roller rockers, edelbrock single plane IM, Barry Grant 1030 carb (holly 4500 platform), .20 over 10:1 forged pistons, eagle rods and crank, long tube hooker headers with 3.5" collector, and dual 3.5" exhaust. At around 450Ci, the power is somewhere around 600whp on 93 octane. I copied the build of a guy who put down 700whp with the same setup. I don't have my timimg advanced nearly as far as he did, so I'm probably making about 10% less. It gets about 4 mpg, so It doesn't get driven much. Now that I think about it, I cant remember the last time if left the garage. Thats the problem with cars like that. It cost too much to drive them from day to day.

In my area there aren't many 4cyl cars that run 12's that I know of. I don't know many of the kids around here, so I don't really know what's out there. There's a few modded evo's, but no N/A 4 cylinder cars that run anywhere close to 12 sec.