maybe turbo diesel f-250's...not gas ones. the new tundras run high 13's seen it first hand..thats movin for a truck that big.....but in the grand scheme of things 12's are a good starting point to be competative in racing...these days you are not doing **** unless you are 11's or faster 1/4 mile wise. everyone has a different opinion of what fast is....i dont give a **** how fast your car runs a road course.....that does tell me ****....but if it traps 120mph or better in the 1/4.....you probabloy got a pretty damn quick vehicle no matter where you put it.Originally Posted by deathbyturbo