you guys went near a month without bringing this crap back up, good job. your arguing about "stock" motors and no one has mentioned the stock motors. stock the ca and ka have near the same power. stock the sr has more power than ca and ka. a stock rb20 is on par with a stock sr. the rb25 has more power than all the previously mentioned motors and godzilla is godzilla. now if you bought a ca to be different and not jump on the bandwagon, that was stupid. you should have bought an sr and modded it, then you wuold be suffeciently different and have more power. if you bought the ca cause thats what they had, thats what you could afford, and thats what you wanted then good for you. i want to build an rb30de. it would be cheaper and i would make more power if i just bought a rb26 and turned up the boost, but thats not any fun. you shouldnt be hatin on each other, we get enough of that from the outside. besides, the bread owns all.