yep the typical SR image is "gettin' sideway homedogg"...
KA RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yep the typical SR image is "gettin' sideway homedogg"...
KA RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ignorant fan boy, just keep dening it
tell me this
how many 240's have you seen drifting (and I mean good with sponsors, not cul-de-sac drifters) that have KA's???
I rest my case
1995 s14
KA-T Project
dude that's like saying putting a b16 in a honda is ricey.... they had them in stock in some instances just like the SR in a 240 chassis. If you wanna build up your KA, by all means go for it, but don't knock people who have SR20s in their cars. By your logic people who use small block 350s are ricers because they are everywhere. No, they are everywhere because they work, just like SRs. You are entitled to your opinion, I'm an advocate of that, but don't come across like an arrogant asshole and group a large group of us b/c one fuckin high school shitbag gave you a bad taste.
I love my KA-T's, but didn't see a single one at Formula Drift this year.
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SR's just flat out work. Thats all there is to it. I can take my damn pos 240 to black hills , beat the everloving shit out of it, and drive home with 0 problems. I cant tell you how man times that thing has been bouncing of the rev limiter and still not one problem. The KA just is not as reliable or as good. Call sr's ricey all you want but at the end of the day your still on the side of the road with your amazing, blown up ka-t and im driving home in my ricey sr car.
I like my rb20. I bought it because it's a nice strong block, good on gas, able to put down the power I want, and the sound gives me a boner.
So if I'm ricey for my choosing so be it. And about the SR- that motor is a great motor, why do people hate each others decisions? SR's are easy/fairly cheap to modify, VERY easy to find performance parts for, they're pretty, high revving, high compression ratio, etc. etc. They're a great motor- very economical and still a good performance motor. So what is the downside?
and for the KA- I mean yeah it's a nice strong motor...for daily driving and what not- and yes it's completely possible to build it for super high numbers just like any other motor. If that's what you want to do then by all means have fun, KA-T's can be a lot of fun, or just completely built KA's. Either way just do what you do and enjoy your decisions.
everyone and their moms have an sr!
ah shit ass shit!
i like the sr even more now since i only have 1 chain. not a idler pulley then a timing chain
KA is KA-BOOM...
cant really say much cause my sr is not running but thats because i spun a bearing in cylinder 3, which alot of people do for some reason...i guess a oiling problem, but not sure...
halfbaked's car was on stock engine specs, and stock turbo. He was tuning the EMS when he made that much power. I don't know if that was before or after his injectors..
KA's are ehh..oh well. I agree that the 240 image is the boy drifter image....but that doesn't mean that having an SR makes you a drifter. When I had my 240 I was going to make it a highway straight line car. I could care less about going around in a parking lot or driving country back roads.
There are a lot of fast 240's out there that aren't all about drifting, sr. ka, rb, whatever....
putting a 2j in your 240 doesn't make you cool. Especially if it's an s13. You are investing money into a turd. It's like the guy that put a twin turbo ls1 into a volvo wagon...can it be done, yes....is it fast, yes....is it still a peice of shit body? Yes.
anyways, 240's aren't cool any more. Regardless of what motor they have. All the owners are dumb asses
I'm glad that someone in this thread said 240's aren't cool anymore. Maybe that will stop the fanboy following- and people who enjoy the car for what it is can do just that- without being labeled a drifter or whatever else. The 240 is a very simple, cheap, lightweight, FR car that has lots of potential- By no means is it a turd. and for the volvo wagon with the 'vette motor- Why not? If you don't like it then well that sucks, this guy did it because he enjoys that car obviously- maybe he wanted corvette power and still have room for lots of luggage, and wanted to do it himself? Who knows.
There is no reason to hate everyone elses setups just because you're the "anti-fanboy" who gives a shit what other people have or like- just let them do their thing. If you drift, cool you drift. If you road race, cool you road race. If you street race, then well you're a dumbass. If you drag race, then cool you drag race. There are many aspects to motorsport and there's no reason to knock any of them. People have different tastes- It's nothing to start a war over.
^True.
FYI, I've driven my SR to Orlando twice, and once to Deal's Gap (where I ran the Tail of the Dragon 4 times). Running 13psi the whole time. Doesn't burn oil. Doesn't run weird. Doesn't smoke. Gets decent gas mileage (around 22city, 26hwy). I don't drift, but I drag race (14.5 currently, working on my launch) and autoX (will get to run it June 9th). I have power steering (working HICAS), a factory LSD, ABS, and will have A/C in a couple weeks. I've invested around $5500 total, including the cost of the car.
^^^ That's not all dependant on having an SR....but it's made everything so easy and cheap. I wish everything in life was that way.
end thread, best said right there.Originally Posted by SpecV_Scott
For around the same you could have 400hp, 30+ mpg, working dash, working AC, working PS, stock reliabilty, and an 11 second capable car.
I have close to $10k in this project, including the 95' S14. And thats also including $2500 in engine mods, Kaaz 2 way, aluminum driveshaft, and much more that I didnt need to include.
Not bashing on the SR (it is a great swap), just pointing out some things about the LS1 swap.
I agree the LS1 has it's merits. I just don't trust GM's reliability as far as I could throw it.
BTW, I autoX'd my car yesterday. The trip was awesome because I now have working A/C ($140 cutom line made by Auto Cool in Smyrna). I had never raced a RWD car, nor had I REALLY pushed my 240 like that....so I learned a lot. But the car kicked serious ass. It was SOOOOO fun to fly around those cones, and be able to steer it with the gas pedal. I had ZERO problems all day...even flying around an autocross in 98degree weather in first gear close to redline.
I <3 my SR.
Why do you not trust thier reliability? GM's engine reliability has been proven over and over and easily tops most others, especially when it comes to V8's. Of course they like all manufacturers have had their bad apples, but overall they are one of the top for reliability. The small block chevy has been the longest running design over ALL other engines, and it was designed in the early 50's. Granted nowhere near the most efficient motor, but to say they arent reliable is just not true. No offense, but it sounds as though you just dont know much about them.
How many 300K mile SR's, KA's, B16's, 2JZ's, RB's, 1JZ's, etc. have you seen that are still running? I have personally seen (and owned quite a few) a lot more GM motors still going at 300K than any other, by a long shot. Of course I did have a GM 2.8 v6 turd once, now that was a shitty motor.
Great now I feel like a GM fanboy.
I <3 my SR too!
Why do you not trust thier reliability? GM's engine reliability has been proven over and over and easily tops most others, especially when it comes to V8's. Of course they like all manufacturers have had their bad apples, but overall they are one of the top for reliability. The small block chevy has been the longest running design over ALL other engines, and it was designed in the early 50's. Granted nowhere near the most efficient motor, but to say they arent reliable is just not true. No offense, but it sounds as though you just dont know much about them.
How many 300K mile SR's, KA's, B16's, 2JZ's, RB's, 1JZ's, etc. have you seen that are still running? I have personally seen (and owned quite a few) a lot more GM motors still going at 300K than any other, by a long shot. Of course I did have a GM 2.8 v6 turd once, now that was a shitty motor.
Great now I feel like a GM fanboy.
I <3 my SR too!
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Reason #1 why I don't trust GM shit: DEXCOOLWhy do you not trust thier reliability? GM's engine reliability has been proven over and over and easily tops most others, especially when it comes to V8's. Of course they like all manufacturers have had their bad apples, but overall they are one of the top for reliability. The small block chevy has been the longest running design over ALL other engines, and it was designed in the early 50's. Granted nowhere near the most efficient motor, but to say they arent reliable is just not true. No offense, but it sounds as though you just dont know much about them.
How many 300K mile SR's, KA's, B16's, 2JZ's, RB's, 1JZ's, etc. have you seen that are still running? I have personally seen (and owned quite a few) a lot more GM motors still going at 300K than any other, by a long shot. Of course I did have a GM 2.8 v6 turd once, now that was a shitty motor.
Great now I feel like a GM fanboy.
I <3 my SR too!
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Sure the SBC has been around forever. It's a fundamentally sound design. I just have a few friends with LS1s that have had a lot of minor issues sprout up on low-mileage cars....things that just should not be happening to "new" cars. Like power steering pumps going out before 40,000mi. Random A/C parts starting to leak refrigerant. Glass windows separating from convertible tops. I know these things aren't really related to the LS1 itself...but it all just makes me want to stay the hell away from anything GM.
Now, if someone offered me an FD powered by either a 13B or a LS1...I'd probably take the LS1! But that's another story entirely.
well i actually do drift my 240 , autox it, drag race it, and drive it daily, and I have basically zero problems. I guess you could say that I am a fanboy only because to motor has held up so well that I have to give credit where credit is due.
on second thought retract everything i just said. I thought I drove an s14 for a second, then I realize that my car is actually an s13 and that I am a total ricer to the bone ha ha ha
This is how I feel about these rediculous, POINTLESS threads that we all see these days:
First of all, S13s are not POS cars just because they are old. S13s have done well in many different forms of racing - and still do.
Second, I hate when people say they want to do a certain engine just to be different. That is the most retarded reason I could possibly think of to make an engine choice. Go with whatever is the best for the car you want to build; for the type of racing you like to do; for the type of driving you enjoy most. These people who solely use this logic to choose a platform should probably not be driving an S-chassis (or really any performance vehicle). They are only doing it to impress other people instead of enjoying a car.
Now, back when i started getting into all this 240 stuff, nobody was doing KA stuff. There was no knowledge of KA-Ts (except maybe some random one-offs). There was no ka-t.org. I've had my SR for a few years, but had been planning it for a couple years before that.
If I had it to do all over I probably would still go with a SR, just because it is, from the research I've done and my own opinion, the best engine for the type of car I enjoy driving. It is by no means stock (or anywhere near it), and the assumption that at most SR owners put a FMIC, BOV, and exhaust is ignorant. I guess I should assume that at most KA owners put a cold-air intake and cat-back exhaust on their cars.
There are many engines that I personally would not choose for a 240: RB25/26, 2JZ, CA18, etc., but that does not mean that I think they are bad engines. Hell, that doesn't even mean I think they are bad engines for a 240. And even if I did, there is no way I would try and tell other people that they are wrong about their engine choice... especially on an internet forum haha.
Moral of my rant is: grow up, build the car you want to build, and quit worrying about what other people are building, because you are wrong and worse for 240s than all the people with stock SR-swaps.
BTW, is that even a picture of your engine? I imagine you don't even own a KA-T, but that's just me.
+1 and QFT.
-91 240SX -- CA18 Power...SOLD, now terrorizing the streets of Alabama
yeah its true...every ka-t person's main reason of doing a ka-t is "everyone else has a sr..." well if you want to be different then get a geo metro and drop a ls1 in it like i always say...
i think eveybody should get over the sr and start putting the ls1 in there
Well said.
If you truly are after the most power potential/parts availability/price, the LS1 is the way to go. Capable of 450 REAR wheel hp with just a cam swap, rev to 7k safely stock (arp rod bolts are suggested past that), weighs less than all other 240 swaps except the SR, can get over 30 mpg, and will hold up to 700hp on the stock bottom. Its also one of the easiest swaps I have ever performed. You can even upgrade or even stroke the bottom end for less than $2k.
Then theres the power under the curve (torque), which is always great. Imagine what you could do with a boosted one?
im so sick of seeing these threads.
- Brit
'93 Supra - na-t project
putting an ls1 into a car almost cost as much as putting an rb26 into a car
Probably more.
Nowhere near it. And take that from someone who has done both.
To answer the truth, you must ask yourself the question. Would you fly in a KA-t powered airplane?
--RIP Leisa. Forever In Our Hearts--
--Val for President 1979-2007--
--RIP Val, You will be missed--
Well, even when I blew the ring lands in my KA-T, it had still more than enough power to get down the road faster than a stock SR still, just a little oil coming from the breather, other than that it was still fast and would drive for a few weeks until I pulled the head and pan again.
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If you spend enough money on your car, it will always be better than other cars. What you do is your choice, what other people do are their choice. I have seen KA-T making 700+ hp, and I have also see SR pushing just as much, if not more. Always remember in a SR swap, you are putting a stock motor in, unless you are spending more money on exhaust, FMIC, etc. Of course it does not seems like it is a great way to spend 3000+ to swap it, wait until you put bigger turbo and more boost on it. Run your KA with a T28 with 15psi, and tell me how long it is going to last. That's why company like Greddy offer turbo kit for KA with 6psi boost. You cannot run the amount of boost on a KA as a SR. My point is that after you go all out, there is not difference between KA and SR in terms of performance. If you want to stand out from the crowd, please sell your S-chassis car and get like a Ferrari or something that you do not see daily. When you close your hood, who cares if you have a KA-T or SR??
So glad I don't have a 240 anymore for this reason.
I don't see Honda owners arguing about what motor is better, and giving eachother sh*t for whatever they choose.
Yes, I am tired of seeing raggety old 240s with stock SRs that the owner thinks is the sh*t, but at the same time, that's their choice. It's their car.
I'll give a clean car that makes good power props, no matter what it is. I was planning on KA-T with my s13, and sort of back and forth between that and CA at times, but that's my own choice.
So now, I don't have to hear "you gotta an SR in that!?"...of course, now I have to hear "wow, Fast and Furious yo!" or "2jz, no shit!?"...
Let's just all be friends!!
- Brit
'93 Supra - na-t project
why are you even in this thread you dont have a 240, you never had a ka-t , never had a sr or ca...your opinion doesnt matter
hahahahahha reps.
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people don't seem to understand...
you have to build a KA to get to par with the sr...not the other way around lmao
apparently, your head has been too far up your ass to pick up the issue of Sport Compact Car and read the article about KA-T's and what they are capable of. in case your a lazy fuck, which i assume you are, its the February 2006 issue. it explains that in stock form with an adjustable fuel pressure regulator and nothing else but a turbo setup at 7lbs of boost, a KA will make 225whp. please show me a stock SR running 7lbs of boost that makes anywhere close to that, because i already know you cant. at best, you might find one that is at, or near 200chp, but thats it. so dont go running your dick-sucker before checking your facts.
and in case you want some more proof, just go check out KA-T.org for a few minutes and when you finally realize what a complete fucktard you are, you can go back to your ass-pounding session with all the other SR lovers...
she could take off the doors and push it down the street and it would still be a better car than that terd bucket that your gay-ass drives.I mean, I kinda wonder why it has no front bumper...
'84 Toyota Celica GT :boobies:
See the part in bold? That proves that no one cares what you think, magazine racer.apparently, your head has been too far up your ass to pick up the issue of Sport Compact Car and read the article about KA-T's and what they are capable of. in case your a lazy fuck, which i assume you are, its the February 2006 issue. it explains that in stock form with an adjustable fuel pressure regulator and nothing else but a turbo setup at 7lbs of boost, a KA will make 225whp. please show me a stock SR running 7lbs of boost that makes anywhere close to that, because i already know you cant. at best, you might find one that is at, or near 200chp, but thats it. so dont go running your dick-sucker before checking your facts.
and in case you want some more proof, just go check out KA-T.org for a few minutes and when you finally realize what a complete fucktard you are, you can go back to your ass-pounding session with all the other SR lovers...
she could take off the doors and push it down the street and it would still be a better car than that terd bucket that your gay-ass drives.
His B13 Sentra will drag your bandwagon S13 pile of garbage down the road, douchebag.
--RIP Leisa. Forever In Our Hearts--
--Val for President 1979-2007--
See the part in bold? That proves that no one cares what you think, magazine racer.
His B13 Sentra will drag your bandwagon S13 pile of garbage down the road, douchebag.<-- See the smiley? It still means your gay and havent disproved anything i said.
and secondly, and most importantly: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! that car couldnt pull a wet dog down the road, but nice try cocksucker.
funny how you seem to follow HalfBaked around the forums. you guys must be pretty close... :idb:
'84 Toyota Celica GT :boobies:
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