Bro that is against my code. If its born a Rotary it dies a Rotary.Originally Posted by stealthrt
You would be considered a Domestic car since the heart is V8. I hope that swap was worth it. What LS motor are you using and how much power are you putting down?
Just got my $200 in my Paypal account. Thanks Christy!! (not even sure if she's on here LOL)
Car came with no motor. Built the subframe/trans mount/torque arm/etc myself. Yes, I believe it was worth it
LS1 motor. GT45 Turbo. 456 RWHP untuned with stock injectors, tires spinning @ 8 psi.
Ran an 11.35 @ 123.7 mph tuned, bigger injectors, @ 12 psi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe7VyIxSCQg - dyno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmCJepfGFf4 - 1/4 mile
I think that's crazy just because you have a different motor that you are now a domestic.
It can be RWD or remain AWD with a Ford 8.8 too.
Mike go rear wheel drive!!! guess what rear is in my car.....8.8
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At your horsepower the 8.8 is a ticking timebomb. 9 inch all the way!!!
The 9 inch takes more to turn it due to rotational mass, but with the added strength you will actually gain due to the rigidity and it doesn't flex like the 8.8 so therefore it doesn't bind up as much. Hopefully that all comes out like I had planned in my head!
There is a few articles on the Web where I think it was Hotrod that did dynos where they swapped out the 8.8, 10 bolt, 12 bolt, and 9 inch in a car to see exactly what you gained, and what you lost between all of the axles. It's a good read.
And Incon, What all do you have done to your 12 bolt? Have you welded your axle tubes or put in a brace of some type?
I can't believe how your car gets out of the hole and continues to pull the whole way down the track. It blew my mind the first time I saw it run the other day. That things a beast.
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I have a 8.8 with ford 3.08 gears...welded axle tubes with no brace though I need to get axle tube braces once I start to leave harder. The rear cover is a reinforced cover with the bearing cap preloaders......ford 9" big bearing housing ends....strange spool....whimpy 31 spline moser axles
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Ahh hell now yall got me excited... We are talking real drag talk now. I do agree that the 9" is the better of the two. But there are many other options that help either one stay together. Now there are Toyota truck rears and import rears that are proven to hold up as well. Lets play with gear ratios and spools, how do we want the power going down the track?
I got no idea what an import like Mikes needs for gearing to get out of the hole. Ideal for my car would be 3.27-3.55. I got a 3.08 gear for cruising since Im a geriatric
Mikes car shouldnt require a 9" with that weight. I know he is making over 1k hp but I aint too far behind at 3960# and 147mph. Whats the cost involved to put a ford rear into the eclipse and convert to rear wheel drive? what gearing does he have now...it seems numerically high
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Wow. well dealing with my cars(imports). I always thought it was about the weight the power(hp/tq) and the make up of the car's driving style. I'm sure that the gears on an import are very high compared to domestic car. But then when we pick our ratios we know what kind of track we are driving i.e. (8th ; 1320 or street). Take my car everyone knows that the rotary revs high even at stock trim. When built I can take my motor up to 13k easy. So my gears in my car for the track are 5.29. Whats the tranny ratios? Whats the tire size? You have to be a damn engineer to dial in a perfect car. No he doesn't need a 9" hell i'm making 4digits also but I don't weight as much either.I got no idea what an import like Mikes needs for gearing to get out of the hole. Ideal for my car would be 3.27-3.55. I got a 3.08 gear for cruising since Im a geriatric
Mikes car shouldnt require a 9" with that weight. I know he is making over 1k hp but I aint too far behind at 3960# and 147mph. Whats the cost involved to put a ford rear into the eclipse and convert to rear wheel drive? what gearing does he have now...it seems numerically high
Damn your actually running an 8.8, I thought you were reffering to 12 bolt as an 8.8, which I guess is technically true.
Did you do the 9 inch ends yourself or send it in to have it done? I was thinking about going this route on my 8.8 but haven't actually ran into anyone that has done that yet.
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it was already done but not a biggee...... cut off ends put others on. there is a guy in calhoun that can do it...im sure others as well.
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My gearing is 3.55. I can't change the gearing in AWD platform because I'd have to change the front diff as well. And guess what, no one makes different ratios for the front diff. (The only option is a 3.9x ratio out of an old EVO III, but at the end of the day, that's still stock parts...no thanks)I'm not going RWD, way too much money to convert the engine direction and chassis fabrication. Many AWD cars are in the low 8's and 7's just by changing the rearend to a Ford platform. An 8.8 should be plenty strong enough. You have to remember that eventhough I make 1000+ hp, its only about 600 ft pounds of torque. Couple that with the 50/50 power split and I'm realisticly only putting about 300 ft pounds to the rear wheels. Another thing to consider is my power & torque curves are much more linear than a V8. Meaning I don't shoot out of the hole on full power like a V8 can, my power continues to build as it moves down the track. Now, I do have the ability to load up the drivetrain at the line with my staging brake and create some extra torque, but its still nothing like a V8. Lets say that I managed to create enough load on the launch to put all 400 ft pounds to the real wheels, that's still shouldn't be enough to upset an 8.8 rear.
Last edited by gastroker; 10-13-2009 at 09:52 PM.
so you are going to do the ford rear mike? My last pass was leaving on 1psi......that was a 1.55 60' The first pass was leaving on 4 psi...1.48 60' I aint leaving on kill myself like you might think. How does Nicks evo leave so much better and not break? can you ramp boost by gear or something? I dunno what parts are strong on the imports so dont thinking im giving you shit..i really dont know
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If you change the rear into a 8.8 you would then have to find the right gear ratio so that it doesn't over gear the front ratios. Have you played with the tranny ratios yet? It think the tranny choice can't handle the power or the 50/50 split combo. The yoke is small and not as beefy as the domestic options.
I'm not an expert nor a engineer but I know instead of changing turbos, rearends or 150shot off the line try going with other gears in the trans..
The tranny has been proven to 7.7 at 196 mph with a Ford 8.8 rearend. The tranny is the only thing in the car that doesn't break (knock on wood). The transfer case is the weak point, not the tranny.
Nicks Evo has a larger output shaft and larger yoke than my DSM....that's not the problem though. The problem was the weld on the yoke of my particular driveshaft. I never broker a stock driveshaft. It wasn't until I "upgraded" to this othe driveshaft that I started having problems.
I've cut plently of 1.50 60 ft's with my current setup and on a stock driveshaft. I've been trying to get it down in the 1.3's where it belongs. I've done alot of 2 step changes, loaded the car less, loaded the car more, stiffened the suspension, softened the suspension, etc....If you've ever seen me at the track (and not break on the first pass) you would have seen that sometimes the car bogs, and then sometimes its spins too much. That's me trying to find the sweet spot. My car really should be cutting better 60 fts than 1.5's. I really can't explain why I haven't been able to do it yet. I've actually cut 1.4's on my old seteup from 3 yrs ago, but it was an easier beast to harness at that time. It will come together. Like you stated, I'm going to try and turn the boost down even more out of the hole.
The 8.8 rearends are available in 3.55 gear ratios....so over running the front diff isn't an issue.
My plan is to upgrade the transfer case to a unit that has a larger output shaft that accepts a larger yoke, and possibly change the rearend. Those are the 2 weak points on the car right now.
Well bro I'm going to leave it alone... It seems that you have all the answers and not enough R&D. I know the folks with the same car aren't even close in HP but are getting down the track faster and not breaking. Its all constructive and I know you got a answer for every issue. Goodluck and hope you get the weaklinks worked out.
I certainly don't have all the answers...I welcome the constructive comments.
ahhhh sounds like a plan. hopefully you can get it a little more bulletproof. I know you are SICK of breaking....I recognized that look sunday...same one i used to make
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I have found myself looking on craigslist recently for a Pontiac Firebird...
umm. You watched me race last year @ Steele on radials. Car was running consistent low 9's and 1.4 60ft's on radials. I think you were having converter issues or something that day. I'll be running on radials this weekend.
Clark I think it was Blair that told me that about radials 2 weeks ago. I saw you run one event on radials where you were in the 9.5-9.6 range. I dont think I can outrun you, just that it would be a good race. 2nd place Sunday was an 11.7 sec car so even if you beat me by .4 it would have been a much better race. At the steele event last year the tq converter to flywheel bolts came loose....I only made one pass as I was really there to watch you guys get down. Dont get your nipples in a twist...I still know my place in the food chain
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Hmm I think the food chain chart will soon be updated....2010.
The rules have now changed for the wheelie bar cars.
You're welcomeHmm I think the food chain chart will soon be updated....2010.
The rules have now changed for the wheelie bar cars.
Clark, I had mentioned to Jerry that I didn't think you liked to race on radials anymore too. Sorry if that's not the case. The rules for the IFO street tire class(now called Forced Induction Pro) have now changed and they allow slicks.
Please everyone lets give Mr.Gastroker the thanks he deserves.... Its only a change thats been asked two years in a row. Other folks govern the PRO classes by chassis style i.e. full frame(streetcars) 3/4 or full tube chassis cars; tire size or limiting power adders. Never have I seen anyone govern a safety feature and tell a racer he would be disqualified. You are truely my hero. I love you manYou're welcome
Clark, I had mentioned to Jerry that I didn't think you liked to race on radials anymore too. Sorry if that's not the case. The rules for the IFO street tire class(now called Forced Induction Pro) have now changed and they allow slicks.
You're such a sweet guy. Regardless of why you feel the rule was unjust, it was removed because I asked them to because of you. I didn't make the rule, I just asked for it to be removed. Why, because that's what "FRIENDS" do. So, I'll say it again, in case you misinterpretted my intentions:
you're welcome.
PS: A 3/4 chassis car, is a 3/4 chassis car, by nature, for safety reasons.
So by your rational, its is governed by saftey .
Damn bro No mas por favor... I was giving you the light man and you throw it back in my lap with the FRIEND thing.LOL
You're always fucking with me dude. I'm sensitive, you've known me for 12 years now. You know I get emotional.
Ahh bro don't get emotional on me(A tear falls). Now the governed issue by safety wasn't rather if the car was altered due to chassis(3/4; 1/2 or full tube). The issue was the wheelie bar and if it touched the ground the driver was eliminated. Well If you have a car at low boost goes skyward....wheelie bars are a must.... Take some time to watch some import pro mod cars its so exciting.oh yeah where is my vid?
vid is no good. It was getting dark and the damn camera wouldn't focus on the time.
oh well no big deal it was a blown motor anyways.
Ill try to get it posted this weekend
Dont worry about it bro it aint that serious really. You should be getting ready for the track this weekend. I'm due home 2moro Thank gosh.
Mr. Gastroker,
Since you've been in the rule changing business lately.... Going over the Import showdown rules you may want to adjust the rules to fit your vehicle also. If I read correctly you can't enter anything but Showdown due to your sexy side exit exhaust(infront of the tire) your lexan hatch and your Tranny choice(AWD or street tire class). I may have read it wrong but we dont want you of all folks to fall short of rules.
Just pointing that out cause we are Friends and all.
You're just jealous because my side exit is bigger than you side exit.
Last edited by gastroker; 10-15-2009 at 09:33 PM.
Ohh really.....Thats not what they(girls) say.You're just jealous because my side exit is bigger than you side exit.LOL.
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