Mora Out

**PhAtBoYMr2** · 01-03-2007, 02:12 AM

"When michael vick gets his feet planted he is one of the best passers in the nfl"-Alge crumpler

"Give that man a reciver and he will be one of the best qb's in the Nfl"-Donovan mcnabb

**PhAtBoYMr2** · 01-03-2007, 02:16 AM

How can mike vick not be a superstar when he has already broken the all time rushing record for a QB? There are alot of great quarterbacks in the league that can play the position but still not get there team to a championship so that isn't saying much

I gurantee if vick doesn't get a ring in his career he will atleast become a hall of fame canidate when his career is over.

**Hulud** · 01-03-2007, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by PhAtBoYMr2

I gurantee if vick doesn't get a ring in his career he will atleast become a hall of fame canidate when his career is over.

that still doesnt mean hes a team player or a leader

**PhAtBoYMr2** · 01-03-2007, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by Hulud

that still doesnt mean hes a team player or a leader

I would say mike vick gives more effort than anyone on offense. Norwood and crumpler are the only people worth giving a damn on offensive

trade dunn
trader all of our recivers
o-line
and secondary could use some help

Our D-line is good but we are struggling in alot of areas, So it's hard to just concentrate everything on vick, The man plays his ass off every game and probaly takes more shots than anyone on the team

**OneSlow5pt0** · 01-03-2007, 02:59 AM

At the end of the day,all owners care about is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$,and vick makes arthur blank tons of it every game..because little kids know nothing bout football and cheer for Vick....Mora was a great coach and the falcons are only gonna win problly 5 games next year,because of their studipity,maybe one day when matt S. has a superbowl ring and the falcons still have none,they will no they made a mistake,keeping vick...jim mora was escape goast for vick's shitty play...well thats my 2 cents on the subject

GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!

**{X}Echo419** · 01-03-2007, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by PhAtBoYMr2

"When michael vick gets his feet planted he is one of the best passers in the nfl"-Alge crumpler

"Give that man a reciver and he will be one of the best qb's in the Nfl"-Donovan mcnabb

a. of course Crumpler's gonna say that. he's the only 1 Vick throws to and when was that last time Vick "planted his feet" to do anything?
b. McNabb can say that b/c 1. he doesn't have to block for him & 2. dosen't have to catch a Reggie Ball-esque deep ball from him.

Originally Posted by PhAtBoYMr2

How can mike vick not be a superstar when he has already broken the all time rushing record for a QB? There are alot of great quarterbacks in the league that can play the position but still not get there team to a championship so that isn't saying much

I gurantee if vick doesn't get a ring in his career he will atleast become a hall of fame canidate when his career is over.

unfortunatelly Vick's the QUARTERBACK! Dunn and Norrwood are no slouches. Vick is 75.7 which is 20th in the league. and don't give me that dropped balls BS. T.O. has dropped more balls than anyone else this year and T.Romo's rating is 95.1. O-yeah and this is his 1st year as a starter not 6th. and a couple more QB's that have better passer ratings most of us would consider "poor"; John Kitna(Det)79.9, David Carr(Hou)82.1, and Jake Delhomme(Car)82.6.
maybe if Vicks' recievers knew if he was going to run or throw they would know to finish their route or block. same for the line. b/c guess what boys and maybe that 1 or 2 girls on IA, pass protection is different than run protection. unless somebody knows some "magic hybrid".

here's another factoid: Atl(Vick+Dunn) vs. San Diego(Rivers+Tomlinson)and I only picked SD b/c the Falcons could have had LT instead of Vick in the draft.
Total yards:
Atl-4653. Vick=1140 passing+1039 rushing+ Dunn=2474 rushing
SD-5251. Rivers=3388 passing+48 rushing+ LT=1815 rushing
btw: Rivers 22 TD's and 9 int's & LT has 28 TD's. white Vick is 20-13 & Dunn only has 4 TD's.
I don't know about but I think I'd pass(no pun intended) in the incomprable, exciting, and althetic M.Vick....

1 more thing. I just don't see there being 2200 yds of dropped balls.

that is all

**TeeJay** · 01-03-2007, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by RX-7_Brad

At the end of the day,all owners care about is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$,and vick makes arthur blank tons of it every game..because little kids know nothing bout football and cheer for Vick....Mora was a great coach and the falcons are only gonna win problly 5 games next year,because of their studipity,maybe one day when matt S. has a superbowl ring and the falcons still have none,they will no they made a mistake,keeping vick...jim mora was escape goast for vick's shitty play...well thats my 2 cents on the subject

GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!

**Kelly** · 01-03-2007, 10:04 AM

Whether ya'll like it or not, Vick is our biggest player. He is the face of the falcons.

He's not leaving. Get over it.

I'm personally glad he's not.

**PhAtBoYMr2** · 01-03-2007, 10:06 AM

kelly i gave you a shoutout in the my 10k thread and you didnt even respond

**thinkfast®** · 01-03-2007, 10:11 AM

she probably dont care mark

oops! j/k heh

**Killer** · 01-03-2007, 10:11 AM

^^^ i noticed that too... chante... u know these kids get their feelings hurt when u don't respond to them.. now be polite..

vick ftw...

**PhAtBoYMr2** · 01-03-2007, 10:12 AM

Thinkfast

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**Killer** · 01-03-2007, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by PhAtBoYMr2

Thinkfast

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he posted before me.. that was about u phatboy.. sorry.

**PhAtBoYMr2** · 01-03-2007, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Killer

he posted before me.. that was about u phatboy.. sorry.

It's alright, i eat dweebs like that for breakfast.

**Kelly** · 01-03-2007, 10:17 AM

Um yes I did

**PhAtBoYMr2** · 01-03-2007, 10:20 AM

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

**2.0civic** · 01-03-2007, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

a. of course Crumpler's gonna say that. he's the only 1 Vick throws to and when was that last time Vick "planted his feet" to do anything?
b. McNabb can say that b/c 1. he doesn't have to block for him & 2. dosen't have to catch a Reggie Ball-esque deep ball from him.

unfortunatelly Vick's the QUARTERBACK! Dunn and Norrwood are no slouches. Vick is 75.7 which is 20th in the league. and don't give me that dropped balls BS. T.O. has dropped more balls than anyone else this year and T.Romo's rating is 95.1. O-yeah and this is his 1st year as a starter not 6th. and a couple more QB's that have better passer ratings most of us would consider "poor"; John Kitna(Det)79.9, David Carr(Hou)82.1, and Jake Delhomme(Car)82.6.
maybe if Vicks' recievers knew if he was going to run or throw they would know to finish their route or block. same for the line. b/c guess what boys and maybe that 1 or 2 girls on IA, pass protection is different than run protection. unless somebody knows some "magic hybrid".

here's another factoid: Atl(Vick+Dunn) vs. San Diego(Rivers+Tomlinson)and I only picked SD b/c the Falcons could have had LT instead of Vick in the draft.
Total yards:
Atl-4653. Vick=1140 passing+1039 rushing+ Dunn=2474 rushing
SD-5251. Rivers=3388 passing+48 rushing+ LT=1815 rushing
btw: Rivers 22 TD's and 9 int's & LT has 28 TD's. white Vick is 20-13 & Dunn only has 4 TD's.
I don't know about but I think I'd pass(no pun intended) in the incomprable, exciting, and althetic M.Vick....

1 more thing. I just don't see there being 2200 yds of dropped balls.

that is all

+1 for a nicely broken down post

End of the day, falcons probably wont lose vick because........he pulls in fans and draws crowds...Win OR lose. Take away the excitement Vick brings to the table and throw a mediocre QB in there and 1 of two things will happen..either crowds will dwindle a little bit since we wont have vick or they will go up because vick is gone and then they will need another reason to blame for why the falcons dont ahve a ring.

Even if we do get rid of vick, his replacement will always here "why arent you like Mike Vick?" Well fuck, why isnt he like peyton manning?

**thinkfast®** · 01-03-2007, 10:24 AM

mark you better hope I dont find you I will crack you like the Liberty bell son

**thinkfast®** · 01-03-2007, 10:24 AM

"I dont breathe air; air hides in my lungs for protection"

**PhAtBoYMr2** · 01-03-2007, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by thinkfast®

mark you better hope I dont find you I will crack you like the Liberty bell son

**PhAtBoYMr2** · 01-03-2007, 10:26 AM

"Light up the night like the 4th of july niggas know when i let go they die"

**thinkfast®** · 01-03-2007, 10:26 AM

you wanna have a DJ at your beatdown, I dont get it

naw man lets settle this without stronghold tactics

**PhAtBoYMr2** · 01-03-2007, 10:33 AM

**PhAtBoYMr2** · 01-03-2007, 10:35 AM

"Know a little freak in hollywood sucks on dick, does it real good she'll give you money to fill up her tummy"

**97ITR86** · 01-03-2007, 10:49 AM

First of all the dude can throw nobody can say that is not true. Do you not remember the butterfinger recievers ATL has? They dropped plenty of well thrown passes all year. I still believe if you can put the guy in a comfortable spot with good recievers he willl show a completly different side.

Also look at QB ratings for the end of the year. He isn't dead last.

NAME COM ATT PCT YDS YPA LNG TD TD% INT INT% SK SYD RAT
1 P. Manning QB, IND 362 557 65.0 4397 7.89 68 31 5.6 9 1.6 14.0 86 101.0
2 D. Huard QB, KAN 148 244 60.7 1878 7.70 78 11 4.5 1 .4 16.0 106 98.0
3 Drew Brees QB, NOR 356 554 64.3 4418 7.98 86 26 4.7 11 2.0 18.0 105 96.2
4 D. McNabb QB, PHI 180 316 57.0 2647 8.38 87 18 5.7 6 1.9 21.0 140 95.5
5 Tony Romo QB, DAL 220 337 65.3 2903 8.61 56 19 5.6 13 3.9 21.0 124 95.1
6 C. Palmer QB, CIN 324 520 62.3 4035 7.76 74 28 5.4 13 2.5 36.0 233 93.9
7 M. Bulger QB, STL 370 588 62.9 4301 7.32 67 24 4.1 8 1.4 49.0 366 92.9
8 P. Rivers QB, SDG 284 460 61.7 3388 7.37 57 22 4.8 9 2.0 27.0 144 92.0
9 Tom Brady QB, NWE 319 516 61.8 3529 6.84 62 24 4.7 12 2.3 26.0 175 87.9
10 M. Brunell QB, WAS 162 260 62.3 1789 6.88 74 8 3.1 4 1.5 12.0 92 86.5
11 J. Losman QB, BUF 268 429 62.5 3051 7.11 83 19 4.4 14 3.3 47.0 332 84.9
12 C. Pennington QB, NYJ 313 485 64.5 3352 6.91 71 17 3.5 16 3.3 30.0 172 82.6
13 J. Delhomme QB, CAR 263 431 61.0 2805 6.51 72 17 3.9 11 2.6 22.0 167 82.6
14 S. McNair QB, BAL 295 468 63.0 3050 6.52 87 16 3.4 12 2.6 14.0 84 82.5
15 David Carr QB, HOU 302 442 68.3 2767 6.26 53 11 2.5 12 2.7 41.0 240 82.1
16 D. Garrard QB, JAC 145 241 60.2 1735 7.20 49 10 4.1 9 3.7 20.0 119 80.5
17 Jon Kitna QB, DET 372 596 62.4 4208 7.06 60 21 3.5 22 3.7 63.0 388 79.9
18 E. Manning QB, NYG 301 522 57.7 3244 6.22 55 24 4.6 18 3.4 25.0 186 77.0
19 M. Hasselbeck QB, SEA 210 371 56.6 2442 6.58 72 18 4.9 15 4.0 34.0 229 76.0
20 M. Vick QB, ATL 204 388 52.6 2474 6.38 55 20 5.2 13 3.4 45.0 303 75.7
21 B. Roethlisberger QB, PIT 280 469 59.7 3513 7.49 67 18 3.8 23 4.9 46.0 280 75.4
22 Alex Smith QB, SFO 257 442 58.1 2890 6.54 75 16 3.6 16 3.6 36.0 205 74.8
23 M. Leinart QB, ARI 214 377 56.8 2547 6.76 58 11 2.9 12 3.2 21.0 158 74.0
24 R. Grossman QB, CHI 262 480 54.6 3193 6.65 62 23 4.8 20 4.2 21.0 142 73.9
25 B. Favre QB, GNB 343 613 56.0 3885 6.34 82 18 2.9 18 2.9 21.0 134 72.7
26 C. Frye QB, CLE 252 392 64.3 2454 6.26 75 10 2.6 17 4.3 44.0 262 72.2
27 B. Johnson QB, MIN 270 439 61.5 2750 6.26 46 9 2.1 15 3.4 29.0 200 72.0
28 J. Plummer QB, DEN 175 317 55.2 1994 6.29 83 11 3.5 13 4.1 18.0 111 68.8
29 J. Harrington QB, MIA 223 388 57.5 2236 5.76 48 12 3.1 15 3.9 15.0 116 68.2
30 V. Young QB, TEN 184 357 51.5 2199 6.16 53 12 3.4 13 3.6 25.0 129 66.7
31 B. Gradkowski QB, TAM 177 328 54.0 1661 5.06 53 9 2.7 9 2.7 25.0 146 65.9
32 A. Walter QB, OAK 147 276 53.3 1677 6.08 51 3 1.1 13 4.7 46.0 256 55.

**thinkfast®** · 01-03-2007, 10:51 AM

i'm in my Cadillac, chillin like a fat mac
smokin on a fat sac, drinkin on a pint of 'yak.
I pick up my car phone 'cause a freak beeped,
it's my niggas baby mama but some times i creep
that's just the way it is niggas have to take a chance,
when you ain't around anybody could be in that ass

**PhAtBoYMr2** · 01-03-2007, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by 97ITR86

First of all the dude can throw nobody can say that is not true. Do you not remember the butterfinger recievers ATL has? They dropped plenty of well thrown passes all year. I still believe if you can put the guy in a comfortable spot with good recievers he willl show a completly different side.

Thank you sir.

**thinkfast®** · 01-03-2007, 10:56 AM

20 outta 32 QBs is pretty sad when you got the highest contract out there

but he had help lol

**2.0civic** · 01-03-2007, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by thinkfast®

20 outta 32 QBs is pretty sad when you got the highest contract out there

but he had help lol

KINDA HARD NOT TO LAUGH WHEN KITNA HAS A HIGHER RATING....

**2.0civic** · 01-03-2007, 10:58 AM

purely hypothetical for all the vick lovers....

do you think vick would take a 3 mill a year paycut to get a top teir receiver so that they might be able to get a ring??

**PhAtBoYMr2** · 01-03-2007, 11:03 AM

Vick isn't a typical QB, When your trying to analyze mike vick throw that fucking passer rating garbage out the window, He's a new generation of QB's and he has paved the way for qb's like vince young, and troy smith etc

It's a completly different game now.

**2.0civic** · 01-03-2007, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by PhAtBoYMr2

Vick isn't a typical QB, When your trying to analyze mike vick throw that fucking passer rating garbage out the window, He's a new generation of QB's and he has paved the way for qb's like vince young, and troy smith etc

It's a completly different game now.

thats all good but do you think he would be a "team leader" and sacrifice some of HIS pay to help the team get good people to make HIM better?

**97ITR86** · 01-03-2007, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by b18hatch

KINDA HARD NOT TO LAUGH WHEN KITNA HAS A HIGHER RATING....

At least Kitna had a legit #1 reciever. I mean I am not a Falcons fan at all but Vick really has no kind of help. I am a Bengals fan so don't think I am trying to support "my team".

**2.0civic** · 01-03-2007, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by 97ITR86

At least Kitna had a legit #1 reciever. I mean I am not a Falcons fan at all but Vick really has no kind of help. I am a Bengals fan so don't think I am trying to support "my team".

i think it works both ways...i think if you took ANY of the falcons receivers and put them on a pass happy offense, they would get better too

**Kelly** · 01-03-2007, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by 97ITR86

First of all the dude can throw nobody can say that is not true. Do you not remember the butterfinger recievers ATL has? They dropped plenty of well thrown passes all year. I still believe if you can put the guy in a comfortable spot with good recievers he willl show a completly different side.

+1

**{X}Echo419** · 01-03-2007, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Killer

^^^ i noticed that too... chante... u know these kids get their feelings hurt when u don't respond to them.. now be polite..

vick ftw...

well, 7 out of 9 times....

Originally Posted by 97ITR86

First of all the dude can throw nobody can say that is not true. Do you not remember the butterfinger recievers ATL has? They dropped plenty of well thrown passes all year. I still believe if you can put the guy in a comfortable spot with good recievers he willl show a completly different side.

Also look at QB ratings for the end of the year. He isn't dead last...

a. see page 5. I covered this.
b. neither are the 19 other QB's that are better than him

**97ITR86** · 01-03-2007, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

a. see page 5. I covered this.
b. neither are the 19 other QB's that are better than him

Hmm.....

#20 Vick
#21 Last Year's SuperBowl QB
#24 Rex Grossman QB for the best team in the NFC
#25 Brett Favre "A Legend"

**Vteckidd** · 01-03-2007, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by PhAtBoYMr2

"When michael vick gets his feet planted he is one of the best passers in the nfl"-Alge crumpler

your hanging your teams fate on a quote from Alge CHUMP-ler ?

**97ITR86** · 01-03-2007, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD

your hanging your teams fate on a quote from Alge CHUMP-ler ?

I have to say that one is pretty funny myself.

**Hulud** · 01-03-2007, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by 97ITR86

Hmm.....

#20 Vick
#21 Last Year's SuperBowl QB
#24 Rex Grossman QB for the best team in the NFC
#25 Brett Favre "A Legend"

lol

wow

#21 Last Year's SuperBowl QB - got in a wreck and blows this year, 59% comp, 18td and 23 ints it doesnt matter what he did last year

#24 Rex Grossman QB for the best team in the NFC - but hes still not any good, 54% completion is good? 23 td and 20 ints is good? cmon man do a lil research

#25 Brett Favre "A Legend" - a legend doesnt mean he isnt past his prime

cmon even farve has been declining 56% comp, 18 and 18 td and ints

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