Starts this week! Anyone else pumped? Reminds me I need to get my ass back to the gym! haha
The Ultimate Fighter 4...
Starts this week! Anyone else pumped? Reminds me I need to get my ass back to the gym! haha
that older black guy thats gonna be on there is ridiculous
I've trained with Serra's guys before, as he sends fighters to our gym because he and Paul (my trainer) are both Renzo Gracie students. Matt's gonna win, that I'm sure of, as he's just a bad motherfucker. Also, GSP is gonna be a interesting edition to the coaching staff, as I'm sure he's got some very good training techniques. Either way it should be interesting with all the guys having been considered "top level" at one point. At least we won't have to see a whole flock of new cans that the UFC tries to shove down everyones throat! These guys are all seasoned, so I'm happy about that.
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Where do you train?
Creighton MMA in Duluth. BJJ, MT, wrestling, and boxing. I had 8yrs of wrestling, both scholastic and freestyle, so I adapted to BJJ quite well, but the standup stuff was new to me. I've been at it for awhile though, and I'm constantly training (in the gym, and on my own time), so I've gotten much better. Do you train?
Nope, not yet at least. I did TKD and some Aikido when I was younger but have been wanting to do more freestyle type fighting for a while. I'm moving in december so I didn't really want to start any type of training here. I do kickboxing at Knuckle Up Fitness right now, figured I'd get into shape and sharpen up a little at least and then decide if I want to take it up a level when I move. How are you liking it? It would just be a hobby for me, so I feel like I probably wouldn't be that competitive against the guys who train constantly.
hell ya man i'm stoked i'll be chilln w/ the big screen surround sound + beer tomorrow
Yeah, there are better martial arts if you're wanting to learn to fight, but those are good for a workout, and TKD has some basic stuff that's useable. I love training, and love my gym. Paul has fought in the UFC, and we've got lots of depth. Our other head trainer just got back from MN as he was training with Sean Sherk, so yeah, we've got a wealth of experience on all facets. Knuckle Up is also very good, and they've got a lot of solid guys and top notch instruction, so you can't go wrong there either. I would suggest trying BJJ and MT. You'll see how proficient you get both on the ground and standing. It'll fill the holes in your game, trust me. It'll also beat you into shape like crazy, so you kill 2 birds with one stone.
Ya I wasn't really looking to learn to fight when I joined Knuckle Up. I'm already proficient enough that I don't really worry about some punk off the street beating me down. I was thinking about doing MT though, I think it would be more fun than BJJ and I still have an opportunity to do some competition if I want to. I'll probably figure it out when I move and take a look at the gyms around there. So do you actually compete yet or are you just training?
I'm gonna be fighting now, but before this I've only done BJJ competition, and sub wrestling. I was told Sport Jiu Jitsu is a good way of transitioning into MMA because you're allowed to strike, but they limit the time you're allowed to be on the ground to 30sec or so, then they stand you back up. So that was a possibility as well. I just started incorporating my striking in the past year, so I'm still getting used to fighting standup. I'm actually letting a few nagging injuries heal right now, as it's not so easy to get fights with the low paydays, so I've got some time before I have to really turn up the volume. People back out because it's not worth it I guess. I adapted well to MMA and fighting, as I'm used to the training. I wanna train fulltime though, not just 15hrs/week, so I've been contemplating moving outta here and go to ATT, AKA, or somewhere else in Hawaii or L.A. IMO, I would suggest BJJ to you, as I think you'll get more out of it. Especially if you take it at an MMA gym. No GI BJJ that's used in MMA is different than GI BJJ that you see.Originally Posted by AWD OWNZ U
aight what did you guys think about last night? i think its defiantely going to be more interesting as far as fights go but WTF there was like 2 secs of footage of the trainers St. P & Randy
So how long ago did you start training in MMA? Moving to LA or Hawaii would probably be good for your training, but how are you going to afford it out there? Those are both expensive ass places and fighting isn't a huge payday. When I move I will give no GI BJJ a shot. I'm not sure if I will really enjoy ground work but I'll never know unless I try right?
The show is definitely more about the fighters this season. I don't really mind it though, I think I like the format more. There was more training footage and less house antics crap. We'll see how it goes as the season moves on.aight what did you guys think about last night? i think its defiantely going to be more interesting as far as fights go but WTF there was like 2 secs of footage of the trainers St. P & Randy
I make a pretty good living, so I can move if need be and not worry about it. The trick is to move and NOT have to work a regular job, and just train full time, and that is gonna be tough, but I've got a few things brewing, so hopefully it works out. Anyway, I think you'll enjoy no gi BJJ, as it's VERY effective, VERY challenging, an intense workout, and unlike other martial arts, you can train BJJ full speed and not really worry about getting hurt. That's the beauty of doing submissions. Like I said, at an MMA gym, they will show you how to defend and attack someone who is a pure striker with your BJJ, and vice versa. If you sign up for MMA, you'll get the whole deal which will show you standing, BJJ, GnP, wrestling, the whole 9, which is what I like. Gi BJJ is still good, and infact is the only way you can get past white belt (because BJJ requires you learn GI techniques to get promoted, and you get promoted in BJJ when you can tap everyone else who is a white belt if you're a white belt, blue belt if you're a blue belt, and so on, and so forth), but it won't matter because you'll see yourself tapping out all the people who are around your skill level after awhile. Matt Hughes never trained with a GI but is probably the equivalent of a brown belt, just without the actual recognition to back it up...although skill wise he certainly does.
Like I said, I wrestled for 8yrs, freestyle and scholastic, and that's all I had until last year. That's when I started BJJ/MMA. I had some really bad habits, but I had MORE good habits from wrestling. I was lucky enough to be able to work with a lot of Judo guys during my wrestling stint, as it helped my freestyle a ton! Judo is also great, and if/when you start training, if you run into any Judoka's, I highly recommend you absorb w/e you can. The clinch stuff is amazing, and if you get with the right guys, the ground stuff is really good too. I just love the throws, as it compliments my style so well. Actually, most people love it. If you've ever watched Fedor fight, well, he's a champion Judoka, and Fedor is by far the most dominant MMA fighter ever. He uses his judo and straight up MAULS people in his fights.
As far as the show is concerned, I thought it was pretty good. Like I said, I'm pulling for my boy Matt Serra as we've got close ties with him. I think you guys are gonna be suprised, but I'm calling it right now. Matt Serra and Patrick Cote will be guys that REALLY show everyone what's up. I don't think you'll see as much involvment from Randy and GSP simply because they aren't coaches this time around, they're advisors. They did this because none of the guys in this season really need coaches, as they're all pretty experienced. It should be cool though watching the fighters train eachother, especially since this season, when you get eliminated, the fighter still stays in the house. Either way, it would be insane to be able to train with GSP, or Randy for that matter. I'd kill for that opportunity.
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yea i'm completely new to the whole mma thing. I'm considering knuckle up but i don't know too much about their classes and what not. What would u suggest for a beginner? i wanted to learn MT to start out with, and some greco wrestling but other than that i'm not too sure
It depends on what you want out of it. Greco isn't gonna be that easy to find as it's not as big in the US as it is overseas. Greco also doesn't have any leg attacks, as they're all takedowns from the clinch. Regardless, it's a great base and its got many students of it that have done very well in MMA. Randy Couture, and Matt Lindland just to name a few, but if you wanna learn grappling with some striking, MMA would cover all that. A lot of the BJJ guys were wrestlers at one point, like myself, so they'll incorporate wrestling into the no gi BJJ. If you've got your heart set on learning takedowns from the clinch, I think you'll like Judo more than Greco, as its throws are SICK, yet its still got good groundwork. Paul, my instructor, has a black belt in Judo, as well as a black belt in BJJ, was a nationally ranked freestyle wrestler, and competed in ADCC, UFC, and all sorts of various NHB fights, so I've been fortunate enough to have been able to learn from someone with a TON of experience. I would suggest starting out with no gi BJJ, and then after a month or so, start going into the MMA classes that the fighters go to. Pick their brain, ask questions, and abosrb as much as possible. At that point you'll be a little more comfortable on the ground, and be able to devote some of your time to strking, without feeling too overwhelmed. I think you'll find that the best blend of striking is MT and boxing. The boxing needs to be modified to defend kicks and takedowns, but the MT already incorporates leg kicks into its offense/defense. Either way, it all gets modified for MMA's versatile nature. Anyway, Knuckle Up is an awesome gym, so you can't go wrong with them. I don't go there, but Creighton MMA is closer to where I live, and his credentials were just as good, and I've been very happy with it. There's actually a few good gyms around here, and when you're just starting out, you'll learn no matter where you go.
which one you go to?
Hey man I really appreciate the insight. I think I'll take your advice and give no gi BJJ a shot. Who knows maybe I'll end up in LA and I can bug you for advice again, lol. Ya one of my buddies did Judo (I think he even kicked my ass once haha), I wanted to take it in high school but I lived in a small town and all we had was TKD. I gave Aikido a shot so I have some experience with throws but it was too rough for me. Sounds bad but it was a mixed beginner and advanced class with a couple really strong guys who sucked ass. I'd get thrown off the the mat onto the concrete floor at least once a class and it really fucking hurt so I quit.
Since you mentioned Fedor, what do you think of the whole Pride vs. UFC thing? If you hadn't heard the Pride boss said he is going to start sending his fighters into UFC fights to prove that they are tougher. He also wants to hold a superbowl MMA competition.
I don't really know all the fighters on the show so I'm gonna hold off on predictions a little while. From the ones I do know Matt seems like one of the guys to beat. He seems like a cool guy too so that's always a plus.
Midtown, though I'm going to the Atlantic Station one once it opens.
That's funny because I've met some aikido guys, and observed their training, and thought it was kinda weak. They did a lot of wristlock throws, and want you to "roll" with it. When one of them was showing me a wristlock throw, I didn't roll, and was like "ok, how come I didn't go flying across the floor man?" and he said "well, you need to roll with it" and I was like "umm..in a real fight, noone is gonna fucking roll because you decided to grab their wrist". They just concluded that I didn't "get it" and I came to the conclusion that they were "full of shit".
As far as the Pride vs UFC thing, well in general, Pride has got stiffer competition at some of the more noticed weight classes. Pride LW champion is Gomi, who is an excellent striker, but now the UFC has a new LW division with some VERY tough competition. UFC has Sherk, Yves, Hominick, Stevenson, Pulver, Florian, and now BJ Penn (arguable the best P4P fighter in the world). Pride doesn't have a WW division, well not one that's 170lbs, and the UFC WW division is probably one of, if not THE most competitive division in the world. Hughes, GSP, BJ Penn (he fights at WW too), Karo, and Diego, Fitch, Koscheck are all probably gonna be champion at some point in their careers. BTW, if you didn't see the Spike TV "Ultimate Fight Night" last week, I strongly urger you to watch the Karo/Diego fight that was shown live. It was fight of the year for sure, or damn close. Anyway, UFC and Pride both have guys that fight at around 185lbs, but this is where Pride FC starts to show its depth. The pride "WW" division, which is the same weight as the UFC MW division, has stiffer competition. Just Henderson, and Kang could probably beat Rich Franklin or Anderson Silva, and there are many others at that weight in Japan that are better (although Rich does have the skills to beat any of the Pride guys too). The LHW division in the UFC is ruled by Chuck Liddell, and while many people here think Chuck is gods gift to MMA, he just isn't. Don't get me wrong, Chuck is good, but Wanderlei would KTFO. Who else does the UFC have, Tito, Babalu? That's really it. I mean, they've got some TUF hand picked guys, but they aren't on the same level. Pride LHW's are a step up above UFC. The most dominan division of all is the HW's though. UFC HW's are PATHETIC. The UFC HW champ is Tim Sylvia. I don't wanna even discuss what Fedor would do to poor Timmy, because it's that bad. Infact, Mirko, Barnett, Randleman, and Nog would all murder him. UFC has Arlovski, Sylvia, Monson, Vera, Mir, etc. Arlovski, Monson, and Vera are the only ones with good upsides, and they're B-level compared to Pride's HW's. Pride is running their first US show in a few months, and they just announced a few fights last night. Fedor/Coleman are fighting, and Randleman/Shogun were the 2 they announced. I'm not really happy with the Fedor/Coleman fight since Fedor already kicked his ass, and that was back when Coleman was younger, but w/e. The other fight is OK, but I assume that Pride is just throwing these guys on the first show because they have name value in the US from their early UFC stints. They know Fedor is gonna crush Coleman, and look like a monster doing it. The UFC HW champ Tim Sylvia turned down a fight with Pride's HW champ, Fedor, which sucks because I hate Tim and wanted to see Fedor punish his cranium in under 5min. Tim knows he can't beat Fedor though, so he saved himself and ass kicking.
I don't know about this whole "Pride sending guys to the UFC" thing. This shits been said so many times and nothing ever comes of it. At the last PPV, they had Silva and Chuck do a staredown, and now it looks like the fight isn't gonna happen. So once again, it's not gonna go down. Sylvia won't fight Fedor and now this, I dunno, it just doesn't look too promising.
ditto. Fedor would beat the shit out of T.Silvia.
and I can't wait for the Liddell vs V.Silvia fight. that's gonna be a good 1.
Yep, Sylvia knows Fedor would beat his ass too, which is why he didn't accept the fight for Pride's first US show that's coming up soon. Also, Silva/Liddell isn't happening now as all the plans have fallen through. So it look like that match is once again a pipe dream. I figured it wasn't gonna happen though, as this has been said many times before.
well that offically sucks. if I would've kept that damn honda I would be able to watch a little more tv. instead I'm under the 3KGT all the time
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