that's like saying that Jordan is the best to ever do it..or better than XYZ player because he has more rings........who you have around you helps you w/ those rings..
that's like saying that Jordan is the best to ever do it..or better than XYZ player because he has more rings........who you have around you helps you w/ those rings..
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umm..... Jordan is?
i dont know much of NBA pre jordan...but i've heard good debates of other players that played prior to/same time as jordan, but ended up w/ no rings..
and i'm a Jordan fan...IJS, being realistic about it. are rings what signify that the player is great? what if you had Kobe, without a good crew around him....then what?
Rings arent the end all..... every player who has rings isnt great. The thing is.... Jordan was the reason for the rings. The same way Brady is the reason for his team's rings. Take Brady off the pats and they suck.
3peating in basketball is insane.... Jordan did it... quit to go play baseball, came back and did it again....
Jordan had 6 rings.... he never lost in an NBA finals.... Jordan probably could have had 8-9 rings... Jordan never got dethroned, he just put the ball down.
i think people want another Jordan so bad that they try to convince themselves that Lebron is that..... well.... he's not.
i dont remember Jordan getting a ring after he tried the baseball thing...
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd give Kobe the 'Jordan' title anyyyyyyyyyyday before Bron, period. cuz if that's the case, he woulda won w/ the Cavaliers
SN: watching that vid....i'd easily put D. Rose as Jordan's successor in Chicago and if he stays healthy, i'd say he'd be in the talks of Kobe. i see alot of the same characteristics...he's just smaller than Jordan. but the boy got heart
WHAT!! And youre a CHICAGO FAN?????
Jordan won 3 rings, RETIRED for 2, came back and won 3 more.
Jordan = GOAT. Period.
After Jordan, id say Magic, then Kobe.
LBJ isnt even in the conversation yet. LBJ will have more MVPs than MJ, i doubt more titles.
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BWAHAHAHAHHA i was dumb young and barely into sports...all i know is MJ and Bulls...truthfully until the last 2 years i didnt really start watching basketball.
Example Bill Russell and Robert Horry. Both have more championships then Jordan.
Then he would be Lebron in Cleveland.
How were the patriots without Brady when he was injured? How were the colts when Peyton went down? Brady has ALWAYS had better teams then manning, im trying to figure out why people ignore that and say brady is better. You don't think ty law, harrison, bruschi and them boys helped? All brady huh? And the best/most clutch kicker in the nfl helps as well. Just saying.
And jordan's teams were 100X better then the teams "lebron" had in cleveland. Hell pippen got votes for nba defensive player of the year multiple times..... how bout this..... this is about PIPPEN WITHOUT JORDAN when he was playing baseball..... tell me his team wasnt damn good without him as well.......
" Michael Jordan retired before the 1993-94 season, and in his absence Pippen emerged from Jordan's shadow. That year, he earned All-Star Game MVP honors and led the Bulls in scoring, assists, and blocks, and the league in steals, averaging 22.0 points, 8.7 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 2.9 steals, and 0.8 blocks per game, while shooting 49.1% from the field and a career-best 32% from the 3-point line. For his efforts, he earned the first of three straight All-NBA First Team selections, and he finished third in MVP voting. The Bulls finished the season with 55 wins, only two fewer than the year before."
BTW..... If jordan and the bulls had met the bad boy pistons in their primes. He wouldn't have 6 rings. Wanna know why he's never lost in the FINALS..... because isiah and the pistons beat their ass in 89-90 and sent them HOME! and blew them out of the gym....
93-74..... the great jordan cant help his "team" get more then 74 points.
Jordan is not invincible. Lebron is a better ALL AROUND player then Jordan. But would I take him over jordan in a one on one, NO! If im building a ALL NBA HISTORY team im picking him first because I know im getting more then points and great defense.
Kobe in Cleveland wouldn't have got a ring either. They were the laughing stock of the NBA for years and years before lebron got there. I wish people quit acting like lebron joined a title contender in cleveland. They were the bobcats of their time.
Heart, but not enough ALL AROUND skills. He will never be in the discussion of jordans successor. Or kobe, or hell even lebron. He's not even the best in the NBA at his position.
Lebron was like Iverson when he was in cleveland. Team of scrubs that he took to the finals. Jordan got lucky with Pippen and a host of other HOFers around him too (Horace Grant, Kerr, Paxson) etc.
I just think the league is way to competitive now, LBJ wont win 6 titles. Not unles he plays until hes 40-42
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We can tell.
If they were in the Western Conference I would say that. They've got a breeze through the eastern conference for years to come.
you on some bathsalts..some of your debates.....worse than Sin in the politics LOL
i know this much...it wouldnt have been the same team at all w/o Pippen...which i'm sure everybody knows if i know.
i'm tripping on saying that Rose doesnt have enough all around skills..i'd take Rose over Bron any day
i wouldnt say breeze. Celtics got YOUNG, and they will be there all year. Indiana? Brooklyn? 76Ers? Hawks?
Lots of those teams are poised to make a run. Miami 2 years ago was a joke. Now they are a powerhouse. FA will change all that, D12 make come back east after this season, so could CP3
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Jordan was GREAT, and people say the GOAT. But look at the people guarding him in those video's. LMAO. You blow past chris mullen and dunk on mark jackson, very inpressive. NOT.
PUT CRACK PIPE DOWN.
LBJ is stronger, better scorer, better shooter, better passer, better defender, and hes 6'8'' and can play PG. Rose cant play PF.
Oh, and that pesky injury thing. LBJ is superior in the injury dept for now. Rose, well, we know how that is
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Jordan had to deal with hand checking , but LBJ has to deal with zones.
Jordan is GOAT, he played against arguably the best centers in the game, best guards, best everything.
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If cp3 leaves, where the hell is HE going to go? If its not miami or OKC then he's fooling himself. He will be right where he is, he doesnt want to play for the LAL with their old ass starting lineup and roster.
WTF did you just say? LORD JESUS.
I wouldn't take him over Chris Paul if you told me chris paul was blind in one eye.
and what happened when he played against those guards..... "isiah thomas"..... hehe, yea im a isiah fan to the core. lol
He will go where the $$ is. He can resign with the clippers, or , if they get decimated this year, I see him going east, HAWKS will be MAJOR Players in the offseason. They could land a BIG PF and Guard .
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Well i mean you could argue the same for Lebron. He barely beat indiana when Bosh went down and old man boston took him to the last 5 minutes of a game 7.
Champions win, whatever the cost.
Frankly i watch some of the games with Jordan in his prime vs Utah, some of his moves are just insane. No one has the touch like MJ had
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to each their own...
You are in a VERY small group. Hell I don't even think Rose would take himself over Paul. LOL
keyword being utah. but yea jordan was the shit.
all i'm saying is boats and hoes
then you aren't saying ANYTHING at all.
you say alot when you mention hoes, bro
Ok so i totally gutted my team and made some crazy trades. Lets see how this stacks up.
LEGGGGOOOOOOO
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omg u went crazy!!!??
i want jamaal charles...... i'll give you lance moore
I have lance moore in my other league, talk to me next week. IF i lose this week you can have him. IM going to try an go 8-0 second half
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I thought i was in the wrong thread at first with all this basketball talk lol
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What about him, sir?
Yeah. I thought there was already a basketball thread.
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Sinfix got me like that also. I think he got me by like 2 points cause Gates went retarded.
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lol, i beat you by a half a point. Hard to top that!
Hmm... i wonder who the top ranked WRs are for this week.....
JDM, my line up is mangled this week..... i have Cam Newton at QB........ and i'm starting Fred Jackson at RB......
But im so confident that im going to beat you.......
Sig bet..... whoever wins get to decide the losers signature for the week, no holds barred! any sig your imagination can muster. Only rule will be banner size.
you have percy too? you aint shit LMAOHmm... i wonder who the top ranked WRs are for this week.....
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