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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdm94Coupe View Post
    Football is a team game, I wish people quit saying "tim tebows" record as a starter OR "aaron rodgers" record as a starter..... not specifically saying any names, just using them as example.

    I know this is off topic and I won't bring it up again after this time, but I'm still losing my mind about the OP saying tim tebow was the best college player ever, hilarious......

    Barry sanders?
    Tebow's career passer rating is 176.0 with 88 TDs and 15 INTs..... I challenge you to find a QB with a higher QB rating in his career..........

    Sam Bradford 175.6
    Andrew Luck 161.8

    Also, this is only a rumor...... but i heard Tebow was a decent runner too.


    You can only argue opinions, for some reason you think your opinion carries some extra weight. Stats are stats. This is why we dont all sit around a camp fire and argue to decide who is the champion. The scoreboard is a neutral observer who has held Tim Tebow in high regard for his entire career.

    Argument changes every week..... its getting comical. If Tebow was as bad as you all say he is,YOU WOULDNT BE HAVING TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR THE OTHER TEAMS RIGHT NOW!!!!

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    "Tebow will never win a title, he cant pass" - Tebow goes on to post a 176 career passer rating with 2 national titles, 1 game away from 3rd.
    "well, that was college.... he'll get drafted in the 5th round as a tight end in the NFL" - Tebow gets drafted 1st rnd as a QB
    "well, if Tebow tries to run in the NFL like he did in college, he will get murdered" - Tebow is rewriting Denver's record book for rushing stats.
    "ok, so Tebow can run.... he still cant throw" - 7-3 as a starter with with 13 passing touchdowns.
    "Tebow cant beat a real defense though" - J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS
    "The defense won that game, not Tebow... if you score 20 you beat the Broncos" 35-32

    and now..... backed into a corner with nothing to say, the insults and excuses start flying.

    Tebow will win 6 in a row vs the Bears next week. I dont expect there to be much football talk in my next thread. Critics are starting to give up and just insult me. sweet sweet victory, feels good to be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spank View Post
    he was the leader of the team not the best player but a very good one,his production went down because they try to change the offence to make him NFL ready.these florida teams were loaded and ppl need to stop saying that he won two national camp CRIS LEAK was the starting QB and tebow only have a hand full of plays
    On those "handful of plays" Tebow had 13 touchdowns. More than any individual Florida player has had since he left................... just sayin.

    Bama and LSU are playing in the national title.

    Alabama's QB has 18 TDs
    LSU's QBs have 14 and 9 TDs

    Just sayin.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post

    Bama and LSU are playing in the national title.

    Alabama's QB has 18 TDs
    LSU's QBs have 14 and 9 TDs

    Just sayin.....

    Both LSU and Bama have terrible offenses. That is why the first MOST BORING GAME OF THE CENTURY ended 9-6.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    Tebow's career passer rating is 176.0 with 88 TDs and 15 INTs..... I challenge you to find a QB with a higher QB rating in his career..........

    Sam Bradford 175.6
    Andrew Luck 161.8

    Also, this is only a rumor...... but i heard Tebow was a decent runner too.


    You can only argue opinions, for some reason you think your opinion carries some extra weight. Stats are stats. This is why we dont all sit around a camp fire and argue to decide who is the champion. The scoreboard is a neutral observer who has held Tim Tebow in high regard for his entire career.

    Argument changes every week..... its getting comical. If Tebow was as bad as you all say he is,YOU WOULDNT BE HAVING TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR THE OTHER TEAMS RIGHT NOW!!!!
    I don't care about his nfl career, I'm not concerned with that. I knew u were obsessed with him when you told me he was the greatest college player ever. Wanna talk about stats? Look up barry sanders stats and get back to me. I know you're losing it now, you're saying tim tebow is a better passer then sam bradford? LOL ..... tim tebow is NOT bad, he just IS NOT great, that's all I'm saying. Look up uspn's top 25 players of all time in ncaa..... let me know if u see tebow on it.... also lmk where charles woodson and barry sanders are on that list.

    Your obsession needs to be addressed.....

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    Jdm I will just drop this here for you to think about, every, and I mean every espn analyst has said that he was/is on of the greatest college fb plahlyers ever. So what you are,telling me is you possess more football knowledge than them? Im not denying sanders and woodson were phenoms but you cannot deny stats...and obviously Tebow was a "better" qb than bradford (in college), the stats dont lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdm94Coupe View Post
    I don't care about his nfl career, I'm not concerned with that. I knew u were obsessed with him when you told me he was the greatest college player ever. Wanna talk about stats? Look up barry sanders stats and get back to me. I know you're losing it now, you're saying tim tebow is a better passer then sam bradford? LOL ..... tim tebow is NOT bad, he just IS NOT great, that's all I'm saying. Look up uspn's top 25 players of all time in ncaa..... let me know if u see tebow on it.... also lmk where charles woodson and barry sanders are on that list.

    Your obsession needs to be addressed.....
    Tebow's QB rating in college career was better than Bradford's. Tebow beat Bradford head to head in a title game. Tebow had more touchdowns. Tebow had more 1st place votes than Bradford the year Bradford won the Heisman.

    I'm obsessed because i can support my opinion with facts.

    I'm sorry i dont think jdm94coupe is a wealth of sports knowledge. You know what Tebow did after Percy Harvin left Florida? Raise his completion % from 64% to 70.1%, higher than any season Bradford had at Oklahoma. Barry Sanders 1 good season in college sure was better than Tebow's career.... you're right. Not. Tebow out rushed Barry Sanders in every season but his last season.

    So, basically.... you're trying to convince me that a QB Tebow beat is better than Tebow... and a running back he out rushed while playing quarterback is also better. duly noted.

    you cant support your opinion with stats.

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    I dont hate Tebow as much as this guy, but i agree with his analysis. Tebow has beaten a bunch of mediocre teams, the Defense is really whats helping the Broncos, hes shown improvement, but its nothing that will get you TO the playoffs and if it is , you arent going past wild card race

    Tebowmania is on my last nerve. As the anointed one continues to get credit for his team barely sneaking out wins against a host of teams that are golf course-bound come January, I continue to shake my head. Are NFL pundits so mindless as to not be able to grasp the concept of strength of schedule?

    The very idea that one level of performance might get you a win against Team A, yet get you blown out by Team B appears to be rocket science, but is totally over the heads of the collective sports media.

    Putting aside how utterly asinine it is to credit a QB and a QB alone with "winning," here is the gauntlet of teams that Tebow has "beaten:" Miami, Oakland, Kansas City, New York Jets, San Diego and Minnesota. Not a single team listed there has a ceiling higher than "first-round fodder" in the NFL Playoffs.

    In four of those games, the Denver defense held bottom feeder QBs to less than 14 points, making the degree of difficulty for the the Denver offense about as low as it gets. The two games where Denver scored more than 20 were against the awful Vikings defense today, and against the Raiders, where Carson Palmer gave them short fields repeatedly with interception after interception and Eddie Royal took a punt back to the house.

    Against a Detroit Lions team with a solid defense and an explosive offense, the Broncos got absolutely dismantled to the tune of 45-10. That's the kind of score lines we would be seeing if Tebowmania actually had to encounter a decent team or two outside of their own soft division.

    The only defenses that would make an offensive coordinator lose any sleep are New York (who suffered from having Mark Sanchez be their quarterback) and Oakland (who suffered from having Carson Palmer be their quarterback).

    The lone game for the Tebow-led Broncos where they have had to play a team with both and offense and a defense was the aforementioned Lions game, and it wasn't pretty.

    And Tebow isn't the only overrated part of the Broncos resurgence. The defense hasn't exactly been lining up against Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees or Tom Brady. They've seen Matt Moore, The Prodigal Carson Palmer, Matt Cassel, The Sanchize and the suddenly-inept Phillip Rivers.

    Today, a Christian Ponder-led, Adrian Peterson-less Vikings put up 32 on them. So yeah, save the back patting for those guys too. They've had it almost as easy as Tebow has.

    In the standings, wins are all that matter in the NFL. But in analysis, one must actually take the time to examine those results if one desires to be any more informative than W-L record on a piece of paper. The TeBroncos simply have not had to play and A-Level teams. The one B-Level team they played demolished them at home.

    So what we are left with is some squeaker wins against average or worse teams. Nothing to see here; move along.

    When the Broncos beat a team that has a legitimate shot at making noise in January, I will re-evaluate. Until then, Tebowmania is just a bunch of noise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    I dont hate Tebow as much as this guy, but i agree with his analysis. Tebow has beaten a bunch of mediocre teams, the Defense is really whats helping the Broncos, hes shown improvement, but its nothing that will get you TO the playoffs and if it is , you arent going past wild card race
    but in fairness.... the argument has now shifted from "Tebow will never be an NFL QB" to "Tebow can be an NFL QB in some NFL divisions, but wouldnt win the NFC north or AFC east" critics are back peddling. They've already lost the original argument, now theyre starting a new one.

    The defense is the same defense that went 1-4 with Kyle Orton. Didnt trade anyone, didnt change anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    but in fairness.... the argument has now shifted from "Tebow will never be an NFL QB" to "Tebow can be an NFL QB in some NFL divisions, but wouldnt win the NFC north or AFC east" critics are back peddling. They've already lost the original argument, now theyre starting a new one.

    The defense is the same defense that went 1-4 with Kyle Orton. Didnt trade anyone, didnt change anything.
    I think the argument is the same. They are one in the same.

    Orton played against :
    LOSS PACKERS (12-0)
    LOSS RAIDERS (WERE #1 in the division, and were healthy)
    WIN Bengals (Won by 2, still 7-5 in the hunt for wildcard)
    LOSS Titans ( Lost by 2, still 7-5 in the hunt for wildcard)
    LOSS CHARGERS-( Ok the chargers suck)


    I think its no secret Orton played MUCH tougher teams by todays standings. Titans are in a weak division, but who has tebow played:

    WIN MIAMI (4-8 currently)
    LOSS DETROIT
    WIN OAKLAND (1st week without Campbell and without Mcfadden)
    WIN KANSAS CITY (5-7)
    WIN JETS (7-5)
    WIN CHARGERS (4-7)
    WIN VIKINGS (2-10)


    Stats are stats, Orton played against every team with a winning record except Chargers. Tebows only played the Lions and jets (and oakland without its 2 key starters)

    FYI the only team Orton lost a TON too was Green bay. Every other game was 5 points or less. Orton could just have easily been 4-1.

    Tebow got the wins, but against much weaker teams.

    The one GOOD thing about this, is that Denver is points away from being 10-2 or 9-3 , good news for next season!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    I think the argument is the same. They are one in the same.

    Orton played against :
    LOSS PACKERS (12-0)
    LOSS RAIDERS (WERE #1 in the division, and were healthy)
    WIN Bengals (Won by 2, still 7-5 in the hunt for wildcard)
    LOSS Titans ( Lost by 2, still 7-5 in the hunt for wildcard)
    LOSS CHARGERS-( Ok the chargers suck)


    I think its no secret Orton played MUCH tougher teams by todays standings. Titans are in a weak division, but who has tebow played:

    WIN MIAMI (4-8 currently)
    LOSS DETROIT
    WIN OAKLAND (1st week without Campbell and without Mcfadden)
    WIN KANSAS CITY (5-7)
    WIN JETS (7-5)
    WIN CHARGERS (4-7)
    WIN VIKINGS (2-10)


    Stats are stats, Orton played against every team with a winning record except Chargers. Tebows only played the Lions and jets (and oakland without its 2 key starters)

    FYI the only team Orton lost a TON too was Green bay. Every other game was 5 points or less. Orton could just have easily been 4-1.

    Tebow got the wins, but against much weaker teams.

    The one GOOD thing about this, is that Denver is points away from being 10-2 or 9-3 , good news for next season!
    im sorry im confused, back when i thought Tebow was a good QB in college and would be a good QB in the NFL, i was told "the NFL is a different league, its bigger faster than college, every defensive player in the NFL is bigger faster and stronger than Tebow unlike the guys in college he ran over"

    i was under the impression that every NFL team was basically a *college allstar team and that every member of all 32 teams in the NFL was a paid professional athlete. That's what i was told before Tebow was drafted.

    " Tim Tebow is lucky to be in the NFL, he should be happy he is even wearing an NFL uniform " - These words were spoke on ESPN news this morning.

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    well im not that concerned with the rhetoric everyone spews, its disturbing on both sides. The people thatwrote he deserves the MVP make me want to puke, and people that said he should be lucky to wear an NFL uniform are retarded.

    Im just saying, look at the numbers. ANd i standby my statements.

    Hes doing better, hes getting better, hes still not shown me anything that wouldnt make me trade him in a heartbeat for someone like Cam Newton or hell TJ Yates after this weekend ( ) , hes beaten a bunch of sub par teams, the Defense deserves credit, jury is still out
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    I think if we start this years schedule over NEXT YEAR and TEBOW Is starting, hes just as likely to go 1-4 like orton did.

    But maybe the Tebow magic is he goes 4-1..............


    the problem with Orton is he was interception prone, tebow isnt turning the ball over. I think a lot of those close games that orton lost, may have been wins had he had Tebow control of the ball.

    Make sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    I think if we start this years schedule over NEXT YEAR and TEBOW Is starting, hes just as likely to go 1-4 like orton did.

    But maybe the Tebow magic is he goes 4-1..............


    the problem with Orton is he was interception prone, tebow isnt turning the ball over. I think a lot of those close games that orton lost, may have been wins had he had Tebow control of the ball.

    Make sense?
    I agree with you, i dont think Tebow has proven that hes the next Tom Brady. I'm just pointing out that the critics were way out line. He does belong in the NFL and can obviously win games. I dont expect him to be put on a pedestal, but he is due a certain level of respect that for the most part he hasnt got.

    I've said in many posts that "what Tebow doesnt do is equally if not more than important than what he does do" in regards to turnovers. QBs dont have to be Tom Brady to be successful in the NFL. So far, Tebow has been a steady game manager and whether or not you think he's the reason theyre winning, he certainly isnt doing anything to make the team lose. Vikings played good enough to win and Ponder gave it back to the Broncos. That is the norm for rookie QBs in the NFL. Every game the Broncos have won people keep saying the other QB gave the game away... Palmer this.. Moore that... Ponder picks... ect ect... Nobody can say " Broncos would have won that game if Tebow hadnt have done that ".

    His production so far isnt that amazing, but when it matters most.... he has delivered. Tebow's 4th quarter QBR is 4th in the NFL behind Brady Rodgers and Eli Manning.

    Tebow was nearly flawless passing vs the vikings. He threw 1 pass that didnt hit the WRs hands... 1st pass of the game.

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    Funny to me that you're sold on TJ Yates after 1 game.

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    off to work, parting note.......

    Rex Grossman had a QB rating of 73.9 with 23 TDs and 20 Interceptions the year the Bears finished 13-3 and went to the superbowl....

    Wonder how the Bears are sitting if you remove a few of those interceptions and add about 8 rushing TDs.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/D...ght-now-120411
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    As a passing qb Yates looked 100 times better than any game tebow has played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    I'm sorry i dont think jdm94coupe is a wealth of sports knowledge. You know what Tebow did after Percy Harvin left Florida? Raise his completion % from 64% to 70.1%, higher than any season Bradford had at Oklahoma. Barry Sanders 1 good season in college sure was better than Tebow's career.... you're right. Not. Tebow out rushed Barry Sanders in every season but his last season.

    So, basically.... you're trying to convince me that a QB Tebow beat is better than Tebow... and a running back he out rushed while playing quarterback is also better. duly noted.

    you cant support your opinion with stats.
    Here's my support! Obviously you are so obsessed with tebow that you can't go on google...... soo sooo sad....

    heres your link...... make sure you look closely!!!

    http://sportsratings.typepad.com/col...sanders-1.html

    344 ATTEMPTS for 2,628 YARDS...... 39 Touchdowns ....... 238.9 YARDS/GAME

    PLUS....

    5 touchdowns in the holiday bowl ......... 29 attempts for 222 yards




    Tim Tebow CAREER Rushing Stats...... from 2006-2009.....

    692 Attempts for 2,947 Yards and 57 touchdowns in 4 years.......


    Summary......

    Barry Sanders........ 344 Attempts for 2,628 yards and 42 touchdowns plus 1 kick return and 1 punt return..... making a grand total of 44 touchdowns in one year and 12 games

    Tim Tebow............. 692 Attempts for 2,947 yards and a grand total of 57 rushing touchdowns in 4 years...... in 55 games.....

    Better rushing stats then barry sanders? kill yourself and get off tebows nuts.....

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    Yeah I didn't want to say anything but didn't Sanders only play 1-2 years and season was much shorter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    off to work, parting note.......

    Rex Grossman had a QB rating of 73.9 with 23 TDs and 20 Interceptions the year the Bears finished 13-3 and went to the superbowl....

    Wonder how the Bears are sitting if you remove a few of those interceptions and add about 8 rushing TDs.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/D...ght-now-120411

    You cant just act like stats are there. Grossman was VERY bad at times, and he can be very god at times. His problem is that he isnt consistant in anything he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdm94Coupe View Post
    Here's my support! Obviously you are so obsessed with tebow that you can't go on google...... soo sooo sad....

    heres your link...... make sure you look closely!!!

    http://sportsratings.typepad.com/col...sanders-1.html

    344 ATTEMPTS for 2,628 YARDS...... 39 Touchdowns ....... 238.9 YARDS/GAME

    PLUS....

    5 touchdowns in the holiday bowl ......... 29 attempts for 222 yards




    Tim Tebow CAREER Rushing Stats...... from 2006-2009.....

    692 Attempts for 2,947 Yards and 57 touchdowns in 4 years.......


    Summary......

    Barry Sanders........ 344 Attempts for 2,628 yards and 42 touchdowns plus 1 kick return and 1 punt return..... making a grand total of 44 touchdowns in one year and 12 games

    Tim Tebow............. 692 Attempts for 2,947 yards and a grand total of 57 rushing touchdowns in 4 years...... in 55 games.....

    Better rushing stats then barry sanders? kill yourself and get off tebows nuts.....
    You're not telling me anything i didnt already know and didnt already state. Barry played 3 years, had 1 good season. Also, remind you.... you're comparing a RB to a QB... thats the only way to compare anyone's stats to Tebow... is to separate Tebow the runner and Tebow the passer. Compare Tebow's body of work to Barry Sanders. Tebow had 12,223 yards and 145 TDs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    As a passing qb Yates looked 100 times better than any game tebow has played.
    TJ Yates would not agree with you.

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    thats all folks, be on the look out for the 7-1 thread.

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    He has a good shot at being 7-1 considering the Bears are reeling right now with zero offense. The teams def seem to be crumbling before tebow when he gets his shot at them.

    Hopefully the bears defense plays with some passion, would like to see them throw what they have at Tebow to see how he reacts.

    Yates looked much more comfortable in the pocket than Matt RYAN let alone Tim Tebow. His arm is pretty impressive. As a PASSING QB he showed me more than Tebow has this season. IMO of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    He has a good shot at being 7-1 considering the Bears are reeling right now with zero offense. The teams def seem to be crumbling before tebow when he gets his shot at them.

    Hopefully the bears defense plays with some passion, would like to see them throw what they have at Tebow to see how he reacts.

    Yates looked much more comfortable in the pocket than Matt RYAN let alone Tim Tebow. His arm is pretty impressive. As a PASSING QB he showed me more than Tebow has this season. IMO of course
    Yeah, teams do seem to be falling over in front of the Broncos. The anticipation of having to play Tebow must be too much for them LOL. I didnt watch much of Texans game to comment on TJ Yates, just know that TJ Yates was a big understudy of Tebow in college and is a fan of his. Cant hurt throwing to a game breaker like Andre Johnson either.

    Wonder how many empty seats there will be in the stands if the Broncos go into the New England game riding a 6 game win streak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    Yeah, teams do seem to be falling over in front of the Broncos. The anticipation of having to play Tebow must be too much for them LOL. I didnt watch much of Texans game to comment on TJ Yates, just know that TJ Yates was a big understudy of Tebow in college and is a fan of his. Cant hurt throwing to a game breaker like Andre Johnson either.

    Wonder how many empty seats there will be in the stands if the Broncos go into the New England game riding a 6 game win streak.
    watch the highlights. The one shot he had down field where he tripped , got up, and fired a laser 40 yards was impressive. He looked really good, really .............poised.

    Tebow is doing well man like i said, winning is winning. If he had played the first few games this year instead of orton they could have been 9-3 just from the lack of interceptions LOL. I think the bears is a good game for Tebow. Urlacher isnt one to play weak.

    vs NE im honestly scared. the DEN DEFENSE scares me. Tebow doesnt turn the ball over. I can see them winning if Mcgahee is healthy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    He has a good shot at being 7-1 considering the Bears are reeling right now with zero offense. The teams def seem to be crumbling before tebow when he gets his shot at them.

    Hopefully the bears defense plays with some passion, would like to see them throw what they have at Tebow to see how he reacts.

    Yates looked much more comfortable in the pocket than Matt RYAN let alone Tim Tebow. His arm is pretty impressive. As a PASSING QB he showed me more than Tebow has this season. IMO of course
    I hope you mean in.this game only yates looked more comfortable not more comfortable than ryan in general lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by boosted347 View Post
    I hope you mean in.this game only yates looked more comfortable not more comfortable than ryan in general lol
    i meant in that 1 game .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    i meant in that 1 game .
    Ok and sadly id have to agree, that was a sloppy game by atl
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    I'm on the Tebow train. Maybe it's being a fan of a college team that runs an offense "that won't work in FBS football," but I just got sick of all the "experts" saying he won't succeed. And speaking of high school offense, two TDs for Demaryius Thomas in this game.

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