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[MachNU]

Asherons Call > EQ any day

SWG pre-cu was the bomb

todays gaming is owned by WoW and hardly any other companies got the guts to try and make a game with a different play style

IMO anyways

Without a doubt, first 6 months of SWG was fucking awesome.

True and False all at the same time.

EQ did not start the MMO, it just happened to be the biggest one to date. Ultima Online was the first MMORPG to actually take off and get a foot hold. It featured 3d graphics and already had an established community. It was out 2 years before EQ was. EQ came second in 1999. MMORPGS had already been out in China and the East before they took hold in America.

EQ was the second one, it just popularized the genre...it didn't create it by any stretch of the imagination. But, it was the most commercially successful for 5 years. Asherons Call came out just after EQ did too. Ultima Online, Everquest and Asherons call are the 3 big first runner games.

Dark Age of Camelot came out not too long after Everquest, about 2 years, and a HUGE amount of people bailed on EQ to go play that. Before that was Diablo 2 who had the had the backing of Battle.net behind them. Both became huge dents in the side of EQ with Dark Age of Camelot becoming the direct competitor of EQ putting a very nice sized dent in EQ's revenue.

Comparing EQ to WoW is actually a bit comical anyway. WoW is MUCH easier for the casual gamer than EQ ever could have hoped to be for one simple reason. Instances. Instances are a casual gamers best friend for raiding and gear acquisition. I don't know about yo, but "Spawn Camping" is NOT conducive to casual gaming in the least. The only "Spawn Camping" you had to do in WoW was world bosses. Then it came down knowing the spawn times and your guild being badassed enough to kick the ass of any guild that came to try to take them from you.

The only problem with WoW, which wasn't a problem with me, was 40 man raids. You had to really put some time into the game to be able to run 40 man raids. I was a guild leader so I had no problems and I always had people who were commited enough, an overabundance really. That's why my guild was first to MC, first to BWL, first to open AQ, first on world bosses, first through Cthun on our server and the first just keep coming. Those were fun days.

When they went to 25 man raids, I quit raiding hardcore. I did the grinds, Grand Marshall grind, I ground Sporagger rep with a prot warrior and a 2 hander....stupid stuff but didn't raid near as hardcore as I used too because half the fun for me was 4 hour raids trying to get 39 other people to bend to your will and do something at once without fucking it up.

WoW was much funner than any other game I had played to date and i've been gaming since Starcraft. Diablo 2, Dark Age of Camelot, LOTR, Warhammer, Eve, WoW, City of Heros....and on and on. Though I will say, PVP in DAoC was much cooler than WoW, i'll always think that.

So I hate to burst the bubble, but EQ doesn't hold a candle to WoW for ease of playing, ease of questing and ease of pretty much anything. Yes, it was a groundbreaker....when the ground was barren.

I will say this, without EQ, WoW would never be the smooth playable game it is, they learned alot from EQ's screw-ups. Go team Venture!

Again like you said True / False. WoW like I said and you keep saying is based souly for casual gamers, EQ was based more around hardcore gamers. To me that was the best. Trust me I have played dam near ever MMO under the sun, which has been discussed in past MMO related threads. But I think our opinion of MMO's just differ. You seem to be more attracted to PvP based games, where as I am more into PvE games. Hell that was the only reason I could not get into Lineage. To much hardcore based PvP. But like I said I value a game more on its playability and depth of content vs graphics.

But like I said EQ to me was the greatest because it really layed the foundation for SWG, CoH, GW, LoTR, War and WoW. It figured alot of things out, but still to date no company has been able to match what EQ was, that and the industry is more defined by the causal gamers as where 10 years ago it was the hardcore gamers that defined how the MMO's ran.

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Again like you said True / False. WoW like I said and you keep saying is based souly for casual gamers, EQ was based more around hardcore gamers. To me that was the best. Trust me I have played dam near ever MMO under the sun, which has been discussed in past MMO related threads. But I think our opinion of MMO's just differ. You seem to be more attracted to PvP based games, where as I am more into PvE games. Hell that was the only reason I could not get into Lineage. To much hardcore based PvP. But like I said I value a game more on its playability and depth of content vs graphics.

But like I said EQ to me was the greatest because it really layed the foundation for SWG, CoH, GW, LoTR, War and WoW. It figured alot of things out, but still to date no company has been able to match what EQ was, that and the industry is more defined by the causal gamers as where 10 years ago it was the hardcore gamers that defined how the MMO's ran.

I can dig it man. I love PVE, much more than I do PVP. I just like my PVE when I want it, I hate having to spawn camp, get in the middle of a boss and then someone roll in and mess it up. Dark Ages was the same way on rare spawns.

I can see why you have fond memories of EQ, it was a front runner of the technology and i'm sure alot of people carry fond memories of it. A good friend of mine loved it and still does, she tells me sotries all the time. I still have fond memories of sitting aroudn on Saturday night, with pimples and an outlawed Crown royal bag filled with dice making war in D&D. Those were fun days too.

[MachNU]

I can dig it man. I love PVE, much more than I do PVP. I just like my PVE when I want it, I hate having to spawn camp, get in the middle of a boss and then someone roll in and mess it up. Dark Ages was the same way on rare spawns.

I can see why you have fond memories of EQ, it was a front runner of the technology and i'm sure alot of people carry fond memories of it. A good friend of mine loved it and still does, she tells me sotries all the time. I still have fond memories of sitting aroudn on Saturday night, with pimples and an outlawed Crown royal bag filled with dice making war in D&D. Those were fun days too.

Hell I think in my 5 years of playing EQ, I only saw 40% of the area's, maybe 30% of the end instances, and only ever capped 1 char!

Dont worry me and some friends where talking the other day about the good old days of Magic the Gathering... now I am not near as old as you so magic was our D&D of the time!