I thought this thread was about people's reaction to Vick's return, not about prison statistics and such? Later, QD.
I thought this thread was about people's reaction to Vick's return, not about prison statistics and such? Later, QD.
FOR MORE INFO, CLICK THE PIC!!!
Well it is relevant to my reaction to his return and to the rest of the discussion that was going on at the point of my entry. If you don't see that, sorry— I will make it more clear.Originally Posted by quickdodge®
I am glad he has done his time. He deserved to and he deserves a life after based on our system and how it is SUPPOSED to work, but also based on my facts, doesn't all of the time. I hope he has changed, but I doubt it based on my personal experience with people who go to prison—and for added effect, my stats.
Do I think he should be able to play again? Sure. Football isn't about morals and good conduct. It's about entertainment. Lindsay and Brittany go to jail once a week and are allowed to have their jobs back. I wouldn't want him to be the principal of a middle school, but again—it's just football.
Do I think he has really changed? No. I think he realizes he lost a lot of time and money and based on his interview, he had awesome interview coaching.
Standing ovation? OK. I am not a football fan, so I don't feel the enthusiasm, but it is apparent that some people also don't see the big deal about what happened and love football more than dogs and are entitled to feel that way.
Think about it, if you're the highest paid football player in the NFL, revered by many and hardly criticized for anything more than when you decide to throw the ball, you feel justified in any action you take. Whether its smoking weed, giving fans the finger or dog fighting. He said it himself in the 60 minutes interview, he felt untouchable but reality came when the prison doors closed and it was all taken away.
The social effect of dog fighting is still in him I think (and this is just my opinion) from what I've seen it was an exhilaration for him but the opportunity he has now is more important than that feeling he got from dog fighting. This is why he will not make the same mistake twice.
I'm not going to lie I was very excited when he got on the field but that is because I am a fan and I am happy to see him get a second chance to do something amazing on the field. I think the media blows it up to be something more than what it really is, that a lot of people hate Vick when that is far from the truth.
Like I said, we will see and I hope not.
You know, I feel the same way about TI. So let me relate it to something I do enjoy—hip hop or rap or whatever (don't want my words to be minced). I love his music, but what a dumb fuck for buying guns off the street. He is a millionaire and well socialized and has no reason other than showing out to his friends and proving he is still hood and hasn't sold out and left the homies behind. Go to the Gwinnett Co gun show and buy a legal one for crying out loud. GA makes it so easy to do so.
You want to show out to your homies and show that you are still down? Make them a studio, buy them some cars, get them some pussy. Don't buy illegal guns and don't kill dogs.
Personally, I don't care what the media blows up. I have a mind of my own and have personally seen some of the dogs and their condition after leaving the facility. I also watched some dog fighting vids and looked up some pics. It's gross what he did.
So, to go along with what you are saying. I have to admit that I was excited to see him go to jail because I am a huge fan of dogs and especially pit bullsI am happy to see some of the dogs get a second chance after living such a horrible first part of their life the way they did. Some of those dogs weren't so lucky though.
You're obviously not reading the posts. I see what people are saying and i dont get it. I dont understand how anyone outside of Vick's family members would be so passionate about his forgiveness. Where does PETA have anything to do with this? Why are you the only person talking about it? Vick is a high profile persona, PETA is protesting because thats their media outlet. If they were protesting some slaughter house in Nebraska, nobody would know about it. Vick is on TV, theyre on TV. It's a simple concept. I dont give 2 shits about what PETA does. Fielding critism should be something Vick should accept. Vick is not a victim. He's a guy who had everything and now after serving his time is being given a chance to have everything back. He's the winner here. expecting everyone to be a Vick supporter is insane. I have several dogs, i love my dogs, and i think anyone who would treat animals like that is a piece of shit. Him throwing touchdowns isnt gonna change it. However.... If Vick learned from his mistakes and changes... more power to him. I'm gonna wait to see if that happens and not give him the benefit of the doubt because he stepped on a football field.
The postcount comment is childish, Your argument is the one that lacks logic. Later, SF
theyre just dogs tracy.... you can buy another dog.. can you buy another football team???Personally, I don't care what the media blows up. I have a mind of my own and have personally seen some of the dogs and their condition after leaving the facility. I also watched some dog fighting vids and looked up some pics. It's gross what he did.
So, to go along with what you are saying. I have to admit that I was excited to see him go to jail because I am a huge fan of dogs and especially pit bulls
thats the way these idiots act. Glad to see atleast 1 other person sees who the real victim is here. Hint #1 - its not the millionare athlete.
All this "holier than thou" bullshit coming from someone of your caliber. Makes you seem legit. You're an admitted (and bragging) street racing. You're just as bad. With what you do, who are you to call out someone else? You place a dog's life higher on a pedestal than a human life? I'm all for being against dog fighting the way Vick treated dogs. But when someone like you steps up to call foul, that makes no sense.
The "post count" comment is valid because of your posts being invalid. You think it's cool to put innocent lives in danger, yet you say I lack logic? Later, QD.
Last edited by quickdodge®; 08-30-2009 at 04:16 PM.
FOR MORE INFO, CLICK THE PIC!!!
speaching of "holier than thou". Yeah, ive done careless things and been fortunate enough to have not had anything bad happen. There's a difference in being careless and deliberately doing something malicious. When myself or anyone elses speeds on a public road, we're not doing it because we want to harm anyone else. It's a careless act, i acknowledge that and recognize my faults. I'm fortunate enough to have never harmed another person and theres a big difference in me and Vick. Question is, who are you to judge me? Being a forum moderator is not a social status guy.
Later, SF.
No one gave him a standing ovation for coming out of prison. They gave him a standing ovation because a great football player came back to the game. And it just so happens, they were at a football game....
Why wouldn't you give a great football player a standing ovation when he comes back to a FOOTBALL GAME...
No one was standing outside of prison giving him a standing ovation. You stupid fucktard.
Can't ANYONE have a discussion without name calling? I am so sick of it. Calling someone a fucktard doesn't make your point more valid. If anything it takes away form your intelligence.
And SF, just so you know the "Later, XX" thing is played out as an insult. You are new, so I know yo don't know this, but anyone who has a problem with QD resorts to it and it lost it's effect years ago.
No one said he was the victim, but yeah to be honest I was glad he went to jail for that horrible stuff he did to those dogs too but he did his time and paid his debt to society. But like I said before, we're not celebrating his coming out of jail, everyone is just happy to see a good player doing what he does best. Do I like him as a person? No. Do I like him as a football player? Yes. And seeing him play football again is great.
And you're still a fucktard.
You're not much different than Vick. You're engaging in an act that you know could be very harmful to human lives. But you don't care. Who cares if you've been "fortunate?" How about if you are "fortunate" 100 times, but on that 101st time, you do manage to kill someone/s. You know what? That previous 100 times is instantaneously null and voided.
Yet you doing nothing to change that. That's why it isn't careless. It's deliberate.
You're right. Celebrity status is the difference.
I'm not posting as a moderator. I'm posting as a member. Who am I to judge you. A better person than you are to judge Vick or his fans. I'm not a walking hypocrite, man.
I was trying to engage you in a civil conversation and you're trying your best to pull all the stops on me. It's not working, but you're trying. And for what? So you can have your opportunity to mock my tag line? Like no one has ever done that before. Later, QD.
FOR MORE INFO, CLICK THE PIC!!!
Sorry but his ignorance just pisses me off greatly. Felt the need to throw it in there. Not sorry that I did neither.
Agreed on all counts. Tracy, you know my hatred for people who "street race" yet I've remained calm when bringing that up and left out name calling. Yet this dude is so out of touch with everything Vick-related, he can't really see things for how they are. Later, QD.
FOR MORE INFO, CLICK THE PIC!!!
SinFix what you are saying is that you are better than some1 (Vick) - you just don't realize it. Your "bad judgement call" is somehow not as bad as his (in yoru mind). I "like" dogs - that's just about it. When I date some1 who lets a DOG on their bed - game over. A dog belongs on the floor - or in it's doggy bed. There is on "so far" an animal that cleans itself w/ it's own tongue can go w/ me. My BED is where I (or humans) sleep. Kudos to animal lovers, but they are still animals in my eyes. Do I know better than to fight them for pleasure, sure. Do I have more respect for animals than to do what Vick did - sure. But at the end of the day, if you talk to some1 who has lost a loved one or badly injured a loved one to some tard who wants to admittedly blow by a cop going 130 - 140mph YOU would be the low-life. You are not better than Vick no matter what YOU think in your head to the contrary. But he is not better than you either -- that's all I am trying to get you to see man.
The only diff between you and Vick is that he got caught and paid a hefty price. And had you hit some Ferrari w/ your unregistered uninsured sooper dooper racing machine you would be singing a different tune. Hell, in fact... had you not even got pulled over you would not have even envisioned how much of a super dork you were. You only "realized" it b/c you got the break of your life... it took that happening for you to go "wow - I was THIS CLOSE to really fucking up."
To guys like us (yes I streetrace too) I think "I can drive better than any1 I will pass on the road today. Not only that, I can handle my car better at 130mph than average Joe's can handle theirs at 50mph." Not only do I think that, I BELIEVE it. Streetracing will NEVER be "real" to me as a dangerous thing until something bad happens. When I hear stories of people dying b/c of it, I always can find "the part where they did it wrong" or "the mistake that they made that I wouldn't have." That's a slick slope.
Take a guy from the hood who grew up fighting dogs as "normal" behavior and you MAY be able to .. even if JUST for a billionth of a second say "hey - he was just a dork whose 'fun' hurt other people or other beings... JUST like streetracing can." Good luck kid.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Once we get into the name calling, the thread gets shut down.
Now I'm posting as a moderator. Later, QD.
FOR MORE INFO, CLICK THE PIC!!!
No one asked you to be sorry. Ignorance pisses me off everyday. I'm just telling you that decent debates get ruined by name calling. He is entitled to his opinion just as well as you are. How can I get your point (which might be a great one) if I can't get past the fact that you have to use name calling to make it? All I'm saying is you are diluting your message by name calling. Of course, just my thoughts on it.
In my thread that you researched to have ammo against me, you obviously didnt take note to the fact that i said i wasnt interested in street racing anymore.
I wouldnt cheer for Vick. Its that simple, theres nothing to argue about.
Exactly. I may not like the dude's choices in life, but he is still entitled to talk hi feelings. Later, QD.
FOR MORE INFO, CLICK THE PIC!!!
I didn't research any thread.
And I wasn't "arguing" about you cheering Vick. I was "arguing" your "points." Later, QD.
FOR MORE INFO, CLICK THE PIC!!!
I just don't get why everyone is so self righteous. Of course everyone feels strongly about their own opinions. Duh. I often use analogies of my experience to weigh an argument. Then I try as hard as I can to see all sides and even try to put myself in others shoes. I have been known to change my mind based on a good logical argument. I realize that sometimes another person may have some insight to add that I can learn from. Maybe it has to do with being old. Iono
Either way, since the whole Vick thing has happened I have thought a lot about it. I can go with "he was raised not thinking it was wrong". I think he should be able to have a job. I do not, however, think he would have ever stopped if he didn't get caught and I think he should have known it was wrong in our society. Then again, what's done is done. Only the future will tell what he does now that he has paid his dues.
There is self righteous feelings and then there is just wrong. "Street racing" falls in the latter.
But that's for a whole different subject matter. Later, QD.
FOR MORE INFO, CLICK THE PIC!!!
I read ya. LOL. I know your stance. We been playing this game a long time together. Street racing is for another thread.
I could go on to say that dog fighting is just wrong—but I won't, even though I just did
I understand what you're saying. And it does make sense. I shouldn't have call him any names but I guess I wasn't thinking at the time. Its just, give the guy a break. I mean I know he did wrong but does he really have to suffer from it all his life? I mean thats one of the problems that people have. Learn to forgive and forget. I'm pretty sure he's sorry he did it.
I really couldn't care less about what he did to get put in jail. What pisses me off is the way he treated the Falcons organization and their fans. Lazy, last to show up for practice and first to leave. Irresponsible enough to get locked up for something as dumb as dog fighting when you were basically given the franchise by Arthur Blank. He let down his teammates, coaches, and fans for something so trivial. It truly was a waste. Hopefully, he's learned from all of that. I think the Falcons have, and we're much better off without him.
word
what do you mean how vick treated the fans? I met him before, and he was pretty cool and respectful towards me. LOL at the lazy comment, how do you know he was the first to leave and last to show? were you following him everyday?
It was reported in the news and IIRC I think there was a comment from the team owner on it.
He has also been known to flick off the fans and I believe he was fined for it.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/10419514/detail.html
He may be referring to when Vick fired off the middle fingers to fans a few times after games....at home.
That's widely been reported throughout his time with the Falcons. Teammates and all said that about him. Later, QD.
FOR MORE INFO, CLICK THE PIC!!!
He obviously didn't care about the fans, or the franchise, if he put himself in a situation where he could end up in a federal penitentiary(the 07 season wasn't very fun for fans). Apparently getting your rocks off fighting dogs is more important than your job. Not to mention the one finger salute...
How do I know? Because I watched the 60 minutes interview, where...wait for it...HE SAID IT HIMSELF! LOL @ you!
Well on a side note.... My girlfriend works at Buffalo Wild Wings and they wont them wear Vick tshirts or jerseys on gamedays. The exact words is we do not want to upset the customers because of what he did. NOW THATS JUST OBSURD!!!! They say it could amosity and stirups between customers at the bar and result in casualties.... < I added the casualties part. LOL, but you get what the manager/company is saying.
Totally forgot about that. Yea he did. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5245553n
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
