I'm pissed but I am still a fan. I stood with them through that cock bag T.O. but atleast he was talented.Originally Posted by VIP Style
I'm pissed but I am still a fan. I stood with them through that cock bag T.O. but atleast he was talented.
dude i think you are just a vick hater. there is no way in hell that a unproven kolb is going to beat out a proven vick, its just absurd, why do you think mcnabb lobbied to get vick in as soon as kolb went down? reid himself said vick was one of the best QB's in the game, and you gonna tell me reid doesnt know what he is talking about? man please, you dont know what you are talking about.
I'll start by saying I'm glad he's back on the field. He, as well as most anyone, should be allowed to continue his career. I do think the extra games suspension is wack, but it is what it is. I'm not a "rider" of Vick, but I do think he is talented by far. I like watching him play as he does create excitement. A great quarterback? Fuck no he isn't. A good QB? I don't think he is. I think he definitely CAN be. And I hope he does succeed.
Above, I said "as well as most everyone." I say that because of Donte Stallworth. Given the sentence he got in court, I think he should be banned from playing in the NFL ever again.
Lolol. Later, QD.
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lmao yes QD, a proven playmaker. look here my friend, if vick was not a good or decent QB, than how come there was more than one team after him? because he sucks? hell no, reid knows that he can develope something more in vick, as for now i know he will be donovans backup, just watch.
Yea because the Raiders and the Bengals, the only 2 others that made an offer, are such great franchises.
Vick is an outstanding athlete and he brings alot of excitement to a game, but he is NOT a proven anything other than thug. His passing ability is lacking, as is his ability to read a defense. The only thing he has going for his as a QB is his arm strength.
Vick has arm strength and that's about it right now. I wonder how much speed he actually still has after not being around the game for the past 2? years?
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I love how you so called football ppl call him a sorry qb b/c he brought a new dimension to the game when it came to a qb. Was he the best, hell no but he was a special passer as he can bring linebackers and or cornerbacks to spy him freeing up the middle for the te and making it easier for wr to get open. Some people can't see talent b/c he is not a conventional QB, shit reminds like the movie semi-pro when the alley hoop was introduced. I think if vick didn't go to jail, he would be true threat as he would have learned the new offense well enough to hurt teams with his arm and by now the wr would be developed which they're now. I hope the man is able to get back to his life, and all you ppl still whining about the dog abuse need to move on as he did his time. I still think he shouldn't spent more than 30 days for the dog fighting, also the gov't felt the same way b/c they got him for the money and the illegal organization.
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I love how Vick apologists are trying to re-write history. Vick is an outstanding athlete, that is all. He is called a sorry QB because he is a sorry QB.
If you want to call a retard special, then yes, you can call Vick a special passer. Other than that, his assets end at a strong arm.
And he still couldnt pass that 55% completion mark or manage 2 winning seasons in a row. I think that tells volumes about him. He was ALWAYS throwing into zone coverages or single coverage and all but 1 year of his career he threw for below the league average in percentage .
There are a lot of unconventional QB's in the league. You can call Tom Brady and Payton Manning unconventional as they play in a system that is VERY close to a college spread.
When people see Vick, they see an athlete playing QB, they dont see a QB that is also an athlete.
No he wouldnt. He would be exactly the same as he has been the last 4 seasons he played. Judging by how quickly those same receivers matured last year with Ryan throwing, I would say that they were being held back by the QB and not the other way around.
As do I. I think the NFL should enact a rule that requires a lifetime ban for any player convicted of a felony while on an NFL roster, but since that rule is not in place, Vick should be allowed to play as long as there is a team that is willing to pay him.
He didnt serve a day for dog fighting so I would say he got off pretty easy on that count. The feds wanted to make an example. Maybe the US Atty was a dog lover or maybe he was a Vick hater. Dont know, dont care. You do the crime you do the time.
Are you that much in love with the man that you can't see reason? In so much love that every single negative thing said about Vick sets you off? The only negative I said about Vick is that he is not a great QB. I DID say he had a shitload of talent. I DID say that he had the makings to be a very good (if not great) QB. I DID say that I'm glad to see him back in the game and that he should not have to have that 4 game suspension. I'm not looking or thinking about the "conventional" part of it. I'm just looking to see an all around good QB for a team. You mentioned he had a "special" knack for getting WRs and TEs open on the field. You're completely right, but what good is that when he can't get the ball to them or he just ups and runs trying to be the hero.
I think the time served was just fine. More time would have been way too much and less time wouldn't have been enough.
Proven playmaker. Ok. I thought you meant proven QB. Carry on, then, lolol. As far as more than one team after him, technically you can say that because there were more than one team, but don't act like it was half the NFL. And quit putting text into my keyboard. I never said he sucked. Even at QB I don't think he sucks. He's just not the QB you're making him out to be. And lastly, how do you know that Vick will be the back up? Are you a part of the Eagles' organization and know something set in stone that no one else here knows? No one knows anything. Not even the Eagles.
I hope he does become back up. I hope he improves as a QB. I hope that McNabb can be a good teacher for Vick to learn from to be an all around good QB.
You see, I watched Vick play just about every game when he was with the Falcons. I couldn't wait until Sunday so I could see what he would do that week. So I'm not a Vick "hater" (as you guys like to put it). I'm just seeing it for what I think it is.
But all the "bickering" about his future is in futility if you really think about it. He's been out of the game for a minute now and it will be a test to see what he can bring back to it. Let's just sit back and watch and see. Later, QD.
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32 starting QB's in the League and I have to believe Vick even in his current state is better than one of them. Brady even said it himself that he wishes he could get a year off (as he did) to not have to take the kind of hits a NFL QB takes throughout the season, Vick has that. Rusty? Yes he definitely will be but once he gets back up to speed I think he will be just as good if not better than he was before, and he is in the right place with McNabb who made a similar transition from running to passing.
I don't know how to respond to this because I don't really understand what you said.
If he learns, and then plays, the true role of the QB, I think he will become a much, much better QB. Later, QD.
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lol man some of you are putting too much thinking into this(bangin jimmy) you always say vick cant read a defense and all that mess, well how has he been able to complete a pass? or become a starter? yeah every qb has overthrown passes, but you seem to ignore the fact that some of those passes not being completed is not all his fault(wr drops, o line collapse). bottom line, these ball clubs know and have seen alot more to vick than we will which is why he is signed. its common sense, it doesnt take all these paragraphs, vick is signed because he is a good qb, and has potential to be better.
Perfect statement. +80-something. Later, QD.
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yes. thats exactly why the eagles signed him...for his arm strength. of course.
lol ok so just because one has enough common sense to realize vick is not a sorry qb, their all of a sudden a history rewriting apologists?dude just get over it, if the man is good, than it is what it is.
As a QB what else does he have going for him? He had a well below league average passer rating ever year he started. He was well below league average in completions in every year he started.
Now, as an athlete, he has a lot going for him. He's fast, elusive, and given the benefit of being lined up at QB, he has the rules protecting him. That is a very dangerous combination.
You keep saying he isnt a sorry QB, yet you have nothing to back it up. Dont cop out with receivers either.
Joey Harrington managed a 61% completion rate in 10 starts.
In 2 starts Leftwich managed 55%
In 7 Starts Redman manged 59%.
(Judging by the number of games these numbers include preseason and come off the NFL website)
All of these QB's had the same receivers as Vick did, yet all of them managed to complete more passes in a worse situation than Vick ever had. No, they didnt score as many TD's, but lets not mistake any of these QB's for actual NFL starters either.
I think you need to start looking for some common sense. Vick was exciting, nothing more. As a QB, he was far below the league average in every statistic.
lol wow, vick was able to set his team up with more scoring opprotunity, but herrington, redman, and leftwhich are better although they didnt win vicks starting job, so your telling me that vick is sorry compared to those three although vick was the last qb to get atl within one game of the superbowl? man stats are nothing when you have nothing to show for it, coaches, teams, and everybody knows vick was good because he could make a few plays that could put your team over the tóp for a win, then again he could lose you a few as well.
Yo dipstick it was more than three teams looking at him. Philly denied being interested, and then look they signed him.
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Yo sir are a hater, He was 38-21 as a starter which is above 500. He had three different head coaches, which in turn brings new OC in. The receivers dropped so many passes they all should have been cut. He won the Falcons more games with his legs that, they wouldn't have won if he had relied on those sorry as receivers.
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Those same sorry receivers that all the sudden became 1000yd receivers after immediately Vick was gone?
So he was 38-21, with only 1 playoff season and 3 seasons with a winning record.
2001 7-9 record
2002 9-7
2003 5-11
2004 11-5 lost in NFC Champ
2005 8-8
2006 7-9
Outside of 1 season that the Falcons did very well, Vick is a below .500 QB.
As I have said several times. Vick is an outstanding athlete, but he is a well below average QB. If I need a score in the 2 minute drill, I can think of several back-up QB's I would put in the game before Vick.
You can say that until Honda Civics are considered bad ass tuner cars and it will always fall on deaf ears, man. I agree completely, but even though you put in a positive comment on Vick, the folks that help Vick live and breathe will only see the negative part of it. The only way they'll be happy with you is if you concede that Vick is the next Fran Tarkenton or Brett Favre or any other great quarterback the game has ever seen. Later, QD.
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everybody knows those same receivers were still catching for vick, but they were less developed which meant more incompletions. im not saying you can put all the blame on them, but hell even last season ryan had 7 dropped passes in one game. and didnt vick break his leg when the falcons went 5-5? man just quit hatin on vick, he good, and the nfl knows it. lol gtfo trying to say herrington is better than vick, boy please.
I think the NFL "thinks" he's good because he's good at bringing in money with his flair. Not because of his QB "skills." They like him for the entertainment value. And now especially that he's trying to make a comeback folks are going to be watching him for sure. Even the folks that talk trash about him will watch him; if for nothing else but to see him (possibly) fail. But the networks/stadiums won't care if you like him or not, you pay to see him is all that matters to them.
My opinion, ya know. You see where I'm at, VIP? Later, QD.
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I wouldnt let Joey harrington QB my highschool team. Just saying....
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So Vick has these receivers and they do nothing but drop passes, then just as soon as he leaves they are all the sudden far more developed than when Vick was there. As I said, Vick apologists are simply re-writing history to match what they want to see.
Yes, Ryan had a few games with several dropped passes, yet still managed 61% completions. 8 points higher than Vick did for his career.
Yes Vick was out with a broken leg in the 5-11 season. I forgot to remove that season. Funny that I should do that considering I was at the game he broke his leg.
Why should I quit hating on him? I actually have facts and stats to show why I think of him as a bad QB. You are simply slobbering on his nuts.
Why should I not say Harrington is a better passer? All of his stats say he is.
I will repeat again. Vick has a strong arm, and thats the extent of his NFL QB talents. Everything else is simply athletic ability and he is approaching 30, which is getting old for an NFL player.
someone that doesn't fit a certain mold is consider a horrible player even though he was able to do his part in getting the W
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The only people that say that are the ones throwing around personal insults. Just look through the last page or so to see which side that is coming from.
wait wait wait. did someone say something about the pats being a class act? /scratch head. I guess we can overlook cheaters and smug assholes just to call ourselves bandwagon fans.
man my issue is this, QD you know damn well herrington is not a better QB than vick! if he was so much better at passing or getting a win, then how come he didnt win vicks starting position?
you keep trying to throw all these stats and facts, you say that the same receiving core vick had all of a sudden had 1,000 yard seasons as soon as he left. well jenkins has not even come close, finneran has not even had a 1000 yard season, but he came close when vick was playing. alge crumpler came close as well when vick was the QB. crumpler had 877 in 05, and 780 in 06. when vick went down, crumpler only recorded 477 in 07! roddy white was pretty much the only receiver that started doing pretty well. so dude, just quit playa hating. vick is back, rather you like it or not, and most likely our falcons will not win more than the eagles this year. lol and another thing, herringtons stats say he is a better QB right? obviously stats dont mean as much as you wish they did because if so, herrington would not be riding the bench, but he would be starting for the atlanta falcons.
Who the F cares who the better QB was... etc? Vick was talented and has potential to be even better- regardless of who he's playing for. Wish him good luck (since he paid his time), and move on. And wish Matty even better luck.
I'm super excited to see what we can do this year!
hmph thanks, real talk though, i dont see our defense doing much for us this season. i doubt we even make the playoffs.Who the F cares who the better QB was... etc? Vick was talented and has potential to be even better- regardless of who he's playing for. Wish him good luck (since he paid his time), and move on. And wish Matty even better luck.
I never said anything about Herrington.
And the Falcons have been picked by a few sportscasters to win their division. I hope they're right. Later, QD.
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Joey Harrington is his name. Not Herrington. I was confused about who you guys were talking about lol.
And I think QD is right in some way about it being a kind of media stunt for them to bring in some fans and some haters. I also think that they should let him start 2 or 3 games this season, not just the preseason, to see how he responds to the fans and the pace of the game.
I don't think that will happen at all. Unless dire circumstances dictate otherwise. Philadelphia is slated to be the team to beat this year and I doubt (hope) that Reid won't risk the team's chances just to see what reaction he would get with Vick in there. If the team were Detroit, that would be one thing. But the Eagles have a lot to lose if they try publicity/media stunts. It's notr like they need to fill the stadium, you know. Later, QD.
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What!? I totally disagree with this. Donovan McNabb is the face of that organization. He IS their quarterback, and a damned good one. He may not have won a Superbowl yet, but Dan Marino never won one and he wasn't that bad. If they take McNabb out (without him being injured) and start Vick it will create a huge division in that lockeroom just like when T.O. was there, except probably worse. That is a HUGE mistake if they even consider doing that. I'm sure they will have some plays for him to run in some type of Wild Cat formation, and even that will cause some controversy, because McNabb is a better QB than Vick in all aspects.
vick is just the eagles insurance policy for mcnabb. i been watching the NFL network, and showed live clips of vick taking snaps at qb. coaches saying they are impressed with him so far at the throws he is making.
As QD already said, we're picked to win our division...
we may be picked, but that doesnt mean much. last year we werent even suppose to make playoffs, but we did. predictions are really nothing more than...predictions, just what you "think" should happen. i see carolina or new orleans taking nfc south.As QD already said, we're picked to win our division...
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