Lol, you are right, being smaller and slower than Mass makes Douglas much better. Mass was never attempted to be used like that, doesnt mean he cant. OH, im sure douglas made it to the NFL by playing slot....lol
Lol, you are right, being smaller and slower than Mass makes Douglas much better. Mass was never attempted to be used like that, doesnt mean he cant. OH, im sure douglas made it to the NFL by playing slot....lol
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Smaller...yesOriginally Posted by FlipKing
Slower...LOL
I wonder why he wasn't used like that...maybe because they're were better athletes on the team. I mean he was the second best receiver on his team. HD plays slot in the NFL because it's a different game.
The fact that HD HAS made plays in the NFL makes him a better receiver. If Massa blows up then I'll eat my crow. Until then, he's just another unproven player.
Harry Douglas will never be a superstar, but he works great in his current role.
Reps, I can agree with that statement.
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Agreed as well, that's why we didn't need to draft another receiver.
Although we drafted like 3 of them as un-drafted free agents, along with JOhn Parker Wilson or whatever the hell his name is from Alabama.
Most of those FA's that were signed will get their 30k or so and get cut before the end of preseason. Wilson will stick around as I thin he will win the #2 or #3 job and Shockley will be unemployed.
I kinda think Shockley might challenge for the number 2. Yeah, he's a project but he's a winner. Got to start for one year, and won the SEC championship. Gotta respect that
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Shockley couldnt win the #2 slot with Redman and that other loser in town, how do you think he will do with a stud at QB now and a QB with the right skill-set, but a project in town now? Maybe they will keep shockley in town on the practice squad for use when they play TN and wherever Vick ends up.
redman is only the number two simply because he is a veteran that provides support. redman will not be around much longer, im pretty sure he will retire next season. this will cause DJ to more than likely become number two. ryan is a good QB, but if our running game is not as effective as it was last season, ryan will not do as well. a strong running game opens up lanes downfield for the pass, and thats what ryan needs this coming up season to be successful.
[QUOTE=BanginJimmy]Shockley couldnt win the #2 slot with Redman and that other loser in town, how do you think he will do with a stud at QB now and a QB with the right skill-set, but a project in town now? Maybe they will keep shockley in town on the practice squad for use when they play TN and wherever Vick ends up.[/QUOTE]
see thats what some people dont understand. you can have a QB whos passer rating is through the roof, but if he is not a "winner", than his rating really doesnt mean shit. matt ryan is good, but until he gets us past the NFC championship, i cant say he is better than vick. another situation that baffles me is how matt stafford went number one overall in this years draft. correct me if im wrong, but wasnt georgia ranked number 1? and fell to number 10 or worse? if he was such a stud, he would not have let alabama tap that butt like they did.
Yup, he was patient, waited his turn, and WON. He has character, a good skill set, decent feet, and not a bad arm. I dont really see a bad side to developing him.
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shockley needs to go to a team where he can start, that would be nice.
Well, for now I think we should keep him as our number 2 to develop in case Ryan gets hurt
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lol at thinking shockley can contend for the number 2 QB spot he will be released by the 2nd game of the preseason.
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Dont really trust your judgement with any UF or UGA player, you are the biggest homer I have ever seen. Tebow, great college QB. Runs too much and will get hurt in the NFL. Has good arm strength but not great. Plays too reckless at times. Harvin, fast as hell great with returns, has route problems and character issues. See? I actually know shit abt your players. Not just where they played.
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Pot meet kettle.
How long has Shockley been in the league? Has he ever been anything more than 3rd string? He was beat out by Chris Redman last year...what a winner
LOL, so I guess Dan Marino wasn't a very good QB?
Umm, if you knew how to read, you would see where I said he was a PROJECT, but then cited that he was a WINNER. I know Florida players and actually give them decent chances. Yeah, I'm a bit of a UGA homer, but I know how to judge football players of ALL schools. He says every player form UGA sucks. Its quite retarded.
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Stafford was never a good leader, and wasnt that great at making decisions, but last year UGA's D was horrible so that let him down alot too
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Shockley is not that good. Stop riding UGA players. Stop hating on Tebow because he kills UGA. Just because he runs alot doesn't mean he will get hurt in the NFL. Stop hating on all the FL players. They have talent and alot of speed. Something UGA didn't have besides moreno.
Shockley will stay #3 ("He has character, a good skill set, decent feet, and not a bad arm. I dont really see a bad side to developing him.")
Just sounds like any other average qb, why not choose a more established experience Qb over him. he just sounds average on paper from what your saying.
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Mass-drops balls
Stafford-not a leader, doesnt make good decisions
Moreno-not really big enough, doesnt knwo when to go down
Ellerbe- Undrafted free agent, signed by baltimore- undersized but quick, injury plagued senior season, disapeared at times
Tebow- running in the NFL gets you hurt, ask Mcnabb, Vick, Culpepper.
Harvin-fast, good return, but never ran that many routes, will have problems playing receiver and was called a locker room cancer.
Gtfo here. I rate players fairly. You Florida homers that say Harvin and Tebow are god and moreno and stafford are horrible thats where you fail.
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A winner in college and in the NFL are two different things...in the NFL he is a 3rd string QB. I guess PROJECT sounds better though...
Why would the Falcons continue to work on a player that has not progressed past the #3 slot in the 4 years he has been there when they just signed a new FA project that better fits Mike Smith's system and skill set requirements right out of college?
Winning means nothing when you dont have the skills to get on the field to start with. Face it, not a single team in the NFL is so lacking of a QB that they would start Shockley. I did see Shock play twice last year in the preseason. In the 4th quarter against players that were mostly going to be cut or sent to the practice team Shockley struggled. How do you think he will go against a complete NFL defense?
Stafford needs more time to develop and should have stayed in college. He made his decision to leave only after Bradford and McCoy said they were staying as both of them would have been picked before him. Detroit will ruin any chance he has to develop and he will go down as a flop even though it wont really be his fault.
Tebow will try to get drafted as a QB but any team that drafts him before the 4th round will be looking at other positions as well. Arm strength is an issue. All of his passes over 20 yards are looping passes that an NFL defense will eat up, or kill his receivers. He has too much of a running mindset that will have NFL LB's licking their chops. No more small fast LB's, just large fast ones that LOVE a shot at a QB.
You can say the same thing about crabtree. watch his games he doesn't run that many routes its alot of underneath routes and comeback routes.
you can teach route running with a speed and agility player because they already have the natural ability to seperate from defenders. Harvin will run alot of comeback routes in the nfl just like wes welker.
Not sure what you mean by your statement of moreno up there, but I didn't know it was wrong for a rb to not desire to go down. I think Petterson faired out pretty well with the same instinct. I think moreno will do well in the nfl.
Stafford has the potential to be good, why because arm strength in the past few years has proven to work out. Well the guys that have half a brain atleast.. (Ex. Big ben, & Flacco) they have big time arms and have proven that arm strength helps. The only thing is that both came into the league with a proven defense/ establishment. Stafford may have a hard time, but culpepper will most likely start until midseason or until he gets hurt. Stafford will have a little time to develop. The thing with decision making is qb's are born with that natural instinct to throw and make decisions. its hard to teach it. you can make the right read but its alot of instinct play. big ben for example he makes plays happen all the time. Stafford will have to do that to prove himself with the massive amounts of pass rush he will get. it will be hard to learn when to take the sack and when to throw it and this is what will show if he is ready or not. some of those things can not be taught. he has the ability to move though so it is a plus for him. he will learn to understand that he has to have a voice to be a big time qb in the nfl. you have to make people listen to you because you drive the rest of the team. when he becomes a start he will have to set up and initiate his role.
As far a Mass, the nfl has proven that sure heads is a big factor. You don't always have to be the fastest guy out there but crisp routes and sure heads is what seperates you from the other wr out there. Team have the ability to choose from hundreds and hundreds of talented wr's year in and year out. if you can't catch what makes you think they will choose you. to them you look just like the guy next to you. so you have to be able to seperate yourself from the next person. if you lack in one area you better be dang good in another area. so there really is no upside for Mass. ya he may be a team player but there is tons of them also. you can pick up guys like that all day long.
Tebow will be a good fit for back up qb/ 3rd down and redzone player. The nfl has come to the point where playbooks are becoming more complicated and offense are creating new things to keep the pass rush on the edge. So getting tebow into an offense will force teams to prepare for him and thus causing alot of time to be used up to play him. There is tons of things he can be used for. whether its FB, QB, wildcat qb, rb, whatever he can be used in some systems. dolphins for example could use him. the Patriots have planned for a new offensive scheme. the nfl is evolving to the hybrid type qbs coming from college. There is not alot of prue breed pocket passers anymore. qbs are now quick and agile with the ability to throw so its going to open up alot of new things. The great thing about tebow is his leadership ability. he wont get in trouble and he has proven himself in college. he can make a great asset to a team with little risk. he will not sit there and complain about being 3rd string qb. who know he may play fb and be 3rd string qb.
ellerbe will be a good lb. he has great explosion to me and can lay hits. alot of teams want speed and big hitters. he may not be the strongest but he can fit in somewhere. Baltimore is a great place to start for any lb.
Back to the draft. I think the eagles will be very dangerous this year after looking at their pick ups
GooKy
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I can respect that arguement. Moreno is undersized as his, and he always fights for the extra yard. Great for his team, bad for his health. Idk, Eagles still need alot of work on D
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The NFL is evolving to those type of players because the level of QB talent coming out of college is going down.
Look at the pathetic QB class from last year. I only see 2 pro ready QB's in Ryan and Flacco. None of the others will make a long term career in the NFL without major work. Chad Henne is probably in the ebst situation of this group because he is in a Parcells organization and will sit behind Pennington for another year or 2.
Pathetic QB class this year with 3 QB's that MIGHT be NFL ready, but all 3 have huge question marks over their heads and are just as likely to be complete busts as they are back-ups and little chance for any of them to be long term NFL starters.
Another pathetic QB class coming next year with only 3 or 4 pro ready QB's coming up and only 2 I see as starting QB potential. The other 2 will be short term starters somewhere and long term backups. Think Brian Griese.
LOL! You're just repeating what you hear on ESPN.
Are you really calling someone else a homer when you're going on about developing DJ Shockley into a starting NFL QB...? He's garbage and I'd say that no matter what college he came out of, UF included.
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if tebow goes to the NFL, he will be a franchise quarterback. the boy can play some damn ball. i dont understand how folks talk down on tebow like he aint worth a damn. just look at what he is doing down in florida. it wouldnt surprise me if they have another winnning season.
I have seen what he did in college. He has accounted for less throwing TD's in a season as some other professional highlight reals like Danny Wuerfull and Chris Weinke.
Tebow's great numbers come mainly from him running the ball, which he will not do in the NFL. You can bring up passing effiency if you want, but then look at the number of throws per game. He only averages 24 throws per game through his 2 years starting with well over half of his throws (27 per game) coming in his junior season (13 games). He also never brought a team back from behind in the 4th quarter in his starting career's 5 chances.
You can'y really compare tebow to Wuerfull(sp) because wuerfull played in the fun and gun offense where all the QBs put up big time passing numbers. back to flipking who wants to call me a homer. Massaquoi still equals Mr. Big Drop until proven otherwise, Stafford still won't last a full season because the lions offensive line is gonna get him killed. Moreno might not be as good as some think seeing that shanahan aka I can develop any running back you give me into a star is gone but will put some solid numbers.
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Well I tried to think of some other great college QB's from Florida that put up the great numbers. Wrecks Grossman could be thrown in there also and look where he is now. Looking for a job.
rex also played in the same system as danny.
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Actually never said shockley would start. I said he'd be a good back up. Mass is not Mr big drop, that title goes a WR from a few years back. Cant remember his name. Playing yall, he was wide open and dropped the ball at the end of the game. Just saying, when tebows running stops being respected, his throwing flaws will be magnified.
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Well I went through my entire list of good Florida QB's for the last 40 years or so. All of them sucked in the NFL.
Tebows flaws have already been magnified.. thats why they are working on a new throwing motion for him and developing his foot work.
GooKy
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Tim Tebow will be an H-back or TE in the pro ranks, he has a suspect at best arm
Rex got the bears to the super bowl once upon a time lol
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Doug Johnson had a solid career mainly as a 2nd stringer but was dependable
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I don't see tebow's running not being respected in the college ranks ever.
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very true. also since when has a qb that had the ability to run not been respected. The defense is forced to respect his ability, thus causing them to plan for it. If you don't respect/prepare for it, it may come back to haunt you.
people may not praise him for his qb/running ability, but you have to give props to urban for creating an offense that is center around his ability. when that happens it will make your qb look good when all cylinders are firing right.
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