BJ Penn

[SleepingTalon]

I believe they are a bigger draw then Lesner. I would rather watch GSP or BJ fight over Lesner any day. GSP walks around at 190 right?

Yeah, GSP is right at 190lbs, give or take a pound or two. I agree, I would rather watch GSP or BJ fight. Hardcore fans love to watch GSP and BJ fight, but hardcore fans aren't the ones that pay the bills. You have to cater to the casual fans, and the casual fans want guys like Brock, Chuck and Randy. They are the closest things you have to household names. Brock is a physical specimen, and people love to see him because he's a BEAST of a guy. It's just the way shit is. No way BJ or GSP are bigger draws...not even close.

[4dmin]

Yeah, GSP is right at 190lbs, give or take a pound or two. I agree, I would rather watch GSP or BJ fight. Hardcore fans love to watch GSP and BJ fight, but hardcore fans aren't the ones that pay the bills. You have to cater to the casual fans, and the casual fans want guys like Brock, Chuck and Randy. They are the closest things you have to household names. Brock is a physical specimen, and people love to see him because he's a BEAST of a guy. It's just the way shit is. No way BJ or GSP are bigger draws...not even close.

honestly best fight to me was the machita fight - i like fights like that b/c there is less known about the fighteres and fights are normally good; headlining fights alot of times are just plain boring. even with a 20 lbs weight difference BJ just didn't look like he had the fire in his eyes. GSP came in to win.

[NevrNufTorq]

great discussion guys, love it when we can all base our views w/o alot of the drama that surrounds alot of this site nowadays!!!!

[Tuan]

I hate Dan White...Sorry i had to get that out...I think he's the biggest dickhead in the UFC and needs to just let the fighters do their own thing..I was watching the fight with my manager, who trains under Paul Creighton...He was telling me that Paul told him, when BJ hit's you it feels like he has a sack of coins in his hands.

[Deke]

honestly best fight to me was the machita fight

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[Ex_Vtec_Girl]

Does anyone think the outcome will look any different when GSP fights Anderson Silva?

Is that scheduled??? Or are you just using them as an example?

[ironchef]

Is that scheduled??? Or are you just using them as an example?

Its tentative, after GSP fights Alves, and Silva fights Leites and potentially Okami.

[Maniacc]

http://www.cagepotato.com/bj-penns-c...between-rounds

Has anyone seen this shit yet? I personally never knew smearing vaseline on your back would cause your fist to continually bash someones' face in.

I'm going to make sure I try that next time.

[ironchef]

http://www.cagepotato.com/bj-penns-c...between-rounds

Has anyone seen this shit yet? I personally never knew smearing vaseline on your back would cause your fist to continually bash someones' face in.

I'm going to make sure I try that next time.

Haha yea, when I read that story I loled hard. The retarded ass excuses they come up with....

[Tuan]

[QUOTE= I personally never knew smearing vaseline on your back would cause your fist to continually bash someones' face in.

I'm going to make sure I try that next time.[/QUOTE]
That's not the point. Vaseline is a lubricant, which I'm sure you know from experience, and could play a role when you need grip. And most BJJ people (Bj bread and butter) will tell you, that it's hard to grab someone when and perform a choke/submission when their all sweaty. Hence why most people will train with and without the gi.

[ironchef]

That's not the point. Vaseline is a lubricant, which I'm sure you know from experience, and could play a role when you need grip. And most BJJ people (Bj bread and butter) will tell you, that it's hard to grab someone when and perform a choke/submission when their all sweaty. Hence why most people will train with and without the gi.

They also wiped off the vaseline, so it was a non factor. Especially by the end of the 4th round both would've been naturally sweaty anyway, so that wouldve affected his grip more than any vaseline residue. But it doesn't even matter, vaseline doesn't make your punches land on someones face. Vaseline also doesnt prevent the other person from trying to cover up, switch positions, or scramble to get out from the bottom.

[Master Shake]

They also wiped off the vaseline, so it was a non factor. Especially by the end of the 4th round both would've been naturally sweaty anyway, so that wouldve affected his grip more than any vaseline residue. But it doesn't even matter, vaseline doesn't make your punches land on someones face. Vaseline also doesnt prevent the other person from trying to cover up, switch positions, or scramble to get out from the bottom.

vaseline is used to keep the person's sweat from interferring with the fighters. it allows to person to see without having shit constantly getting in their eyes, and i don't know if you have ever had sweat in your eye, but that shit doesn't feel too nice.

and the fight, penn didn't seem to care to much about the fight, its like he was like "whatever", kinda like he didn't have the heart to win the match. GSP came in with a fire in his eyes, wanting to take the win and keep his title as top dog for his division. i was pulling for gsp and i thought it was gonna be a lot better of a fight than what it was. when penn was on the ground, it just kinda seemed like he was just trying to avoid getting hit over trying to take a more dominate position or trying to advance from the bottom position.
i think this has to be one of penn's weakest fights, and from the look of it, didn't seem like he should have been fighting. almost to a point where he didn't take it all that serious.

[ka24boost]

First of do any of ya fight my guess is not. Even if you check the ufc web site it say that the fight was tko due to a tko doc stoppage. Vaseline effect a fighter more then what you think. You get tired as shit trying to do submission if you cant grip them . Also vaseline is water proof so it remain slipperly. Pj step up to the challenger and fought and lost with pride. Every fighter talk shit it the sport some win some lose.

[Tuan]

First of do any of ya fight my guess is not. Even if you check the ufc web site it say that the fight was tko due to a tko doc stoppage. Vaseline effect a fighter more then what you think. You get tired as shit trying to do submission if you cant grip them . Also vaseline is water proof so it remain slipperly. Pj step up to the challenger and fought and lost with pride. Every fighter talk shit it the sport some win some lose.

I have it recorded on DVR and we replayed it about 15 times. I have about 23 people that will tell you BJ said he was done. I know they said it was a doctor stoppage when they raised GSP hand. But if you watch the video BJ's brother said to the doctor that they were done. Like i said im not being bias im just telling you the facts. Watch the video again and listen to the audio.

[Deke]

Lol, I posted the a link about the vaseline in the first page. Glad to see that everyone reads my posts. I don't think it would have changed the outcome of the fight, but it's definitely not something that should be happening.

[Maniacc]

Isn't it pathetic how even after an ass beating the likes of which GSP gave BJ that BJ Penn fans will still say anything they can? I've already seen it on numerous mma/shit talking forums.

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Seriously though, Penn was robbed. He clearly wanted to continue the fight. And IMO, he would have knocked GSP out in the 5th round. He was just waiting for GSP to tire himself out. I would demand an immediate rematch if I were Penn. /sarcasm

BJ Penn and his camp and his fans just need to have some fucking dignity and accept the fact that he lost. It wasn't even close. They are clinging to this like its their only hope and it's just pathetic.

[Maniacc]

First of do any of ya fight my guess is not. Even if you check the ufc web site it say that the fight was tko due to a tko doc stoppage. Vaseline effect a fighter more then what you think. You get tired as shit trying to do submission if you cant grip them . Also vaseline is water proof so it remain slipperly. Pj step up to the challenger and fought and lost with pride. Every fighter talk shit it the sport some win some lose.

Wrestling and boxing is what I do.

And I understand the whole respect another fighter 'n shit. But this is the interwebs.

[Maniacc]

That's not the point. Vaseline is a lubricant, which I'm sure you know from experience, and could play a role when you need grip. And most BJJ people (Bj bread and butter) will tell you, that it's hard to grab someone when and perform a choke/submission when their all sweaty. Hence why most people will train with and without the gi.

So did the vasoline cause BJ to get fat and gas after the first round? Maybe they clogged up BJ's nose with it so he couldn't breathe. Or maybe just maybe it was because BJ did as he always does and didn't do any fucking cardio before the fight and gassed.

But no matter what this is BJ's way of getting a GSP vs Penn 3.


I'd also like to add that GSP dumps water on his head and back right before nurse/Jackson applied the vaseline. If the application was intentional, dumping the water would be counter-productive.

Just makes me think they weren't doing anything outside of normalcy.

But hey, Tuan has rubbed vaseline on more men than a 20 dollar hooker, he clearly knows what happens when your back is full of vaseline.

[BanginJimmy]

Plain and simple, when you put 2 people of equal talent into a fight, the bigger guy will win 8 of 10 fights.

Alot of people will say that Penn was outclassed and all that but I think you simply saw the weight difference. Penn was heavier than he is used to fighting at and that sapped energy from him, on top of that he spent alot of time in the first round fighting in the clench, which is tiring in itself. The second and third he was on his back and sapping more strength.

If GSP stepped into the octagon with Spider Silva I think we would see much the same outcome. The bigger guy dominating the match, though I do think Spider finishes it.


A question though, will the way GSP was walked through 170, and walked through BJ Penn, will he start getting pressure to move up and take a shot at Spider in the near future?

[Deke]

So did the vasoline cause BJ to get fat and gas after the first round? Maybe they clogged up BJ's nose with it so he couldn't breathe. Or maybe just maybe it was because BJ did as he always does and didn't do any fucking cardio before the fight and gassed.

But no matter what this is BJ's way of getting a GSP vs Penn 3.


I'd also like to add that GSP dumps water on his head and back right before nurse/Jackson applied the vaseline. If the application was intentional, dumping the water would be counter-productive.

Just makes me think they weren't doing anything outside of normalcy.

But hey, Tuan has rubbed vaseline on more men than a 20 dollar hooker, he clearly knows what happens when your back is full of vaseline.

I don't think anyone on here has said that it's the reason BJ lost. So I have no idea why you're on this tirade.

[Maniacc]

I don't think anyone on here has said that it's the reason BJ lost. So I have no idea why you're on this tirade.

They don't need to say it.

It's obvious that a lot of people think that might've been the reason he got worked.

[Deke]

They don't need to say it.

It's obvious that a lot of people think that might've been the reason he got worked.

I certainly don't see that. People are just pointing out the fact that it shouldn't be going on. Who knows how much actually ended up on his back. It probably wasn't intentional. That doesn't change the fact that spreading a lubricant on someone's back can be an advantage.

I said when I originally posted the vaseline story, when the vaseline story was reposted, and I'm saying again now, I do not believe that it was the reason BJ lost.

[Maniacc]

I certainly don't see that. People are just pointing out the fact that it shouldn't be going on. Who knows how much actually ended up on his back. It probably wasn't intentional. That doesn't change the fact that spreading a lubricant on someone's back can be an advantage.

I said when I originally posted the vaseline story, when the vaseline story was reposted, and I'm saying again now, I do not believe that it was the reason BJ lost.

Look here, guy.

I posted what needed to be said. I don't care what anyone else posted! I'm right and everyone else is wrong. Even if they agree with me.

[Deke]

Look here, guy.

I posted what needed to be said. I don't care what anyone else posted! I'm right and everyone else is wrong. Even if they agree with me.

Lol. Touche

[Tuan]

Im not saying he lost the fight due to the vaseline, i'm just saying it could play a factor. And plus it's not my fault costco had a sale on the shit!

So did the vasoline cause BJ to get fat and gas after the first round? Maybe they clogged up BJ's nose with it so he couldn't breathe. Or maybe just maybe it was because BJ did as he always does and didn't do any fucking cardio before the fight and gassed.

But no matter what this is BJ's way of getting a GSP vs Penn 3.


I'd also like to add that GSP dumps water on his head and back right before nurse/Jackson applied the vaseline. If the application was intentional, dumping the water would be counter-productive.

Just makes me think they weren't doing anything outside of normalcy.

But hey, Tuan has rubbed vaseline on more men than a 20 dollar hooker, he clearly knows what happens when your back is full of vaseline.