Quote Originally Posted by One_Bad_SHO
Yeah, he's got the wrestling experience/titles and you're right, there is a big difference between his first and second fight. However, (to me) the only reason he won that second fight is because he landed a good punch with his bowling ball sized fist. I didnt see much skill involved. Very aggressive, wild swinging. Although he is a quick learner, certain arts (such as jiu Jitsu) take YEARS to get good at. I have a feeling he's gonna get tapped out. Again.




Agreed. With 2 UFC fights under his belt, it would be a slap in the face to the veterans.

Brock has been training MMA for 3-4yrs, so I'd say that that's plenty of time to get to learn the ropes to compete in a shallow UFC HW division. Josh Koscheck, who had the same NCAA D1 background, fought in the UFC with less training time, and he's fighting in MMA's DEEPEST division (with success nonetheless). Anyway, if you watched the Herring fight, you would see that he baited him in with a left hand, and then threw the right that landed on Herring. That takes SKILL, and only from someone ho has been working his stand up game. Also, his BJJ has come along pretty well, but he doesn't just train BJJ. I know people that train with him, and while he basically had Comprido (7 time BJJ world champ) living with him, he also trains with CSW, which is Paulson, and Barnett respectively. Do you think Josh Barnett practices BJJ? LOL, he wouldn't be caught dead doing that. They use catch wrestling, which is just as good as BJJ. Look no further than Barnett who is probably one of, if not THE best submission guy in the HW division, and top 5 HW at that. Nick Thompson, who is another top MMA fighter, said that the BJJ black belts that are rolling with Brock aren't tapping him anymore, and are getting tapped THEMSELVES now. BJJ make take years to learn, but he doesn't need to train with the GI on. NO GI is the wave of the future, and me personally, after training with Eddie Bravo, I can see that plain as day. So the stuff Brock is learning, position before submission, is all he needs to know. Either way, I've been doing BJJ for years now, and the one thing I've noticed is that a GOOD, heavier, stronger, wrestler, can neutralize my game, especially a D1 wrestler.

Next, why does everyone think that Randy is gonna tap Brock? Who the hell has Randy ever submitted? Mike Van Arsdale? It took him 3 minutes to apply an anaconda choke for fucks sake! Randy's sub game sucks ass. Even Randy said his submission game isn't good. I will admit that anything is within the realm of possibility, but that's the last way I'd pick Randy to win. TKO from strikes would be first, followed by a decision win, then MAYBE a sub, where he softens Brock up with strikes.

On a side note, why is everyone so bent outta shape about Brock getting a title fight with 3 fights under his belt? There was another fighter I remember, who got a title fight after 4 pro fights, and no one complained, and his name was BJ Penn. Brock gets all this WWE hate, it's so ridiculous.

With all this said, I still give Randy an edge, but some of the shit said in this thread is so far from the truth, it's not even funny. Herring didn't get finished, so what? Who has finished Herring? Nog didn't do it, hell the only way Fedor did it, was from a cut stoppage! Herring is NOT easy to finish. Brock has a ways to go, and he's in deeper water with Randy, but while I pick Randy to win, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Brock kicked his ass.