Which do you prefer? and why?
I have my MacBook 2.4 Intel Core 2 Duo 2gb Ram
plus my Updated MacPro Desktop
Then my crappy a$$ del at work that crashes daily thanks to vista
Mac Vs. PC
Which do you prefer? and why?
I have my MacBook 2.4 Intel Core 2 Duo 2gb Ram
plus my Updated MacPro Desktop
Then my crappy a$$ del at work that crashes daily thanks to vista
cheaper - can do more with them (windows, linux, unix, novell, etc) - more support - more options for software/hardware
i thought this was the Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates Light Saber game.
Originally Posted by admin
the new mac's can run windows and linux. not sure on unix and all. Don't really need support on something that was made correctly the first time. But yes there is more software out for the PC's but lately everything is made for both.
Plus on web browser support I'll stick to my mac no pop ups, no spyware or viruses. . also I use Opera as my browser now more effecient especially since it can decode torrents
I have a PC but i see the advantages in both, i don't use the computer for much so i'll probably always stick with a PC because that is what is comfortable. Not a single crash on Vista yet on my laptop, running smoothly with no viruses.
But to all the people with Mac Stickers on their car, yall are gay
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Macbook 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo (Fastest available at the time lol) / 3GB RAM
Lub it.
Mac is wayyyy too expensive.
My PC does everything I need it to do ... and costs about half as much as a mac that does the same **** =)
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lol you sheep and your macs.
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lol you sheep and your macs.
lol i know right, its a computer.
some people are ready to a bust a nut to the mac
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W/e I Can Watch Porn On Is Fine With Me...
kinda funny when you're calling mac owners sheep when it's you (PC owners) are the sheep. . Other than I actually use mine for what it was intended for visual based program IE Photoshop, Illustrator, GIMP (Awesome free editiing program), Final Cut Movie editing software (yes I use it and have it).
60% of people who own a Mac buy it so they can be "cutting edge and trendy". Why buy it if you don't need those programs.
Everyone i know who has a Mac is a bunch of college kids who only buy it so they can take pictures of themself and morph them when they are tripping on something and giggle about it.
Paying half the price for the basics doesn't sound sheep like to me
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your point? lol.
i use Maya, Zbrush, & the CS3 suite on a daily basis without a hitch. and it doesn't even think twice about running oblivion fully maxed out.
all custom built by me, and still faster and cheaper than your Mac.
I have a two personal computers, and two I work on at work.
My computers are a 2.60GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB ram, NVIDIA GeForce 9300M GS vid card Sony Vaio laptop, and my desktop is a 2.46GHz Intel Core 2 Quad Core, 4GB ram, NVIDIA GeForce® 9800 GX2 vid card, personally built PC.
At my job, I work on a-year-old iMac and a semi-new G5. This is actually the first job in my field I've had to work on a Mac. All the digital production houses in NYC I've worked at used BOXX windows PCs (I would sell my soul for one of those!).
I'm a graphic designer/digital compositor, and I prefer my Windows based PCs over the Apples any day.
Edit: QFT vvv
I use all the same programs, including having to render while editing at the same time, and I use both my laptop and desktop as gaming machines. At work, if I want to burn a DVD, retouch in Photoshop, and order prints through our JAVA BASED ordering program, the computer starts chugging.your point? lol.
i use Maya, Zbrush, & the CS3 suite on a daily basis without a hitch. and it doesn't even think twice about running oblivion fully maxed out.
all custom built by me, and still faster and cheaper than your Mac.
I can't even use the liquify filter in Photoshop without the Mac having a seizure.
i have a mac and will live and die by mac.i wouldn't recommend anything else.i am a network specialist (cisco and linux) and it pisses me off when all day long i hear people complain about their computer and it's problems and the problems it has syncing with their network or another one.i keep telling the ceo/president/chairman or whatever his/her title is to switch to macs.their big argument is the price and that they are so "radical" as they put it.i agree,they are exspensive.my unit at home i custom built and it cost me $22k and some change and then there is the price of my laptop as well.it did cost me alot to get,but it is worth every penny of it.with the space i have on my computer (10TB),it will outlast me,my kids,and grandkids.a good LONGTERM investment.
mac does support all microsoft applications,linux,and even unix.besides,when you say that the pc does all the same **** as the mac,but for half the price,you're sadly mistaking.they do alot that a mac does,but works at about a tenth of the capability and has 50 times as many problems.
ask yourself this:do you know of any "mac-technicians"?no,you don't.they have a genius bar to advise or help with stuff,but they aren't techs because macs don't break down.that is also why the certification exams are for pcs (microsoft,dell,hp,etc.) and not macs.you can get certified,but the certificatons will cost your for all 7 or 8 of them about $45k total.
one last note.for those on here who do own macs and are really bothered by the high cost of the software and/or programs,i know a webpage that has them for really cheap.for instance,i bought my adobe photoshop cs3 master collection for $350 compared to the $2500-$2600 retail.same goes for those who own a regular microsoft-based pc.
i grew up on mac and still prefer PC; i'm also a network administrator. 22k on a home systemi have a mac and will live and die by mac.i wouldn't recommend anything else.i am a network specialist (cisco and linux) and it pisses me off when all day long i hear people complain about their computer and it's problems and the problems it has syncing with their network or another one
mac does support all microsoft applications,linux,and even unix.besides,when you say that the pc does all the same **** as the mac,but for half the price,you're sadly mistaking.they do alot that a mac does,but works at about a tenth of the capability and has 50 times as many problems.
ask yourself this:do you know of any "mac-technicians"?no,you don't.they have a genius bar to advise or help with stuff,but they aren't techs because macs don't break down.that is also why the certification exams are for pcs (microsoft,dell,hp,etc.) and not macs.you can get certified,but the certificatons will cost your for all 7 or 8 of them about $45k total.
one last note.for those on here who do own macs and are really bothered by the high cost of the software and/or programs,i know a webpage that has them for really cheap.for instance,i bought my adobe photoshop cs3 master collection for $350 compared to the $2500-$2600 retailyou have to be f*cking kidding why?
sorry but mac is suited for college kids and starbucks fags - they have always had the audio/video market and thats their strong point. now in the business world... sorry mac doesn't have what it takes. linux/windows ftw. mac can't compete. you can't run a multi million or billion dollar company in todays world w/o windows/linux - way too many needs to fill.
if you want a nice home sys that won't cause many issues and all you want to do is surf the web, etc then buy a mac.
i grew up on mac and still prefer PC; i'm also a network administrator. 22k on a home system
sorry but mac is suited for college kids and starbucks fags - they have always had the audio/video market and thats their strong point. now in the business world... sorry mac doesn't have what it takes. linux/windows ftw. mac can't compete. you can't run a multi million or billion dollar company in todays world w/o windows/linux - way too many needs to fill.
if you want a nice home sys that won't cause many issues and all you want to do is surf the web, etc then buy a mac.
qft
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well,like i said earlier,macs can run all windows applications and runs linux.besides,linux is the basis of macs.plus it's not the needs are too many to be filled,it's that most of the buisness/marketing/professional world is scared to change because too many people are used to windows and it would cost the companies extra money to train the current employees on macs.the truth in that is that if these people would just give macs a real shot,they would see how easy and people-friendly it really is.i grew up on mac and still prefer PC; i'm also a network administrator. 22k on a home system
sorry but mac is suited for college kids and starbucks fags - they have always had the audio/video market and thats their strong point. now in the business world... sorry mac doesn't have what it takes. linux/windows ftw. mac can't compete. you can't run a multi million or billion dollar company in todays world w/o windows/linux - way too many needs to fill.
if you want a nice home sys that won't cause many issues and all you want to do is surf the web, etc then buy a mac.
$22k is alot to spend on a computer,i do agree,but i honestly don't feel bad or have any regrets about spending that much.it really is one of my bigger and better investments.i do networking as my career,but i also do web-design on the side for friends or people who contact me for work.the editing features and array of options to work,play,and tool with i couldn't be happier with.NOTHING else compares with a mac in that area....and in every area with me personally.
PC.
For all the popular perceptions about Windows compared to Apple, Apple is in fact as a whole as a corporate entity, a douchebag. I like how I can build my own cutting edge PC for around 1500 dollars but for that much at Apple I can only buy a relatively mediocre system. You can't build your own Macintosh operating system based computer yourself without hacks.
Regardless of this, from a recreational user of PCs who games, Macs have no appeal at all even if I was given one for free.
Not everyone you know. I specifically bought mine for video editing, a fair amount of photoshop use, and general multimedia... not to mention UNIX stability, but I'm not gonna go all fanboy on this thread. Hell, I bought it in High school when it wasn't necessarily particularly "trendy" to have one. And I don't even like starbucks
Bottom line is, it doesnt really matter - its a damn computer... but at the end of the day, I love my mac and will continue to buy Apple computers.
PS this thread is a repost x 1,000,000.
Not everyone you know. I specifically bought mine for video editing, a fair amount of photoshop use, and general multimedia... not to mention UNIX stability, but I'm not gonna go all fanboy on this thread. Hell, I bought it in High school when it wasn't necessarily particularly "trendy" to have one. And I don't even like starbucks
Bottom line is, it doesnt really matter - its a damn computer... but at the end of the day, I love my mac and will continue to buy Apple computers.
chris promise me you won't put a mac sticker on your car and have wet dreams about the computer
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id promise you that, chase, but i just got done washing my sheets this morning. I dreamed I was having a threesome with Steve Jobs and the little spinning rainbow peppermint of death, as i like to call it. so hot.
i like both pc and mac.
they both have their advantages but i like mac more
i grew up on mac and still prefer PC; i'm also a network administrator. 22k on a home system
sorry but mac is suited for college kids and starbucks fags - they have always had the audio/video market and thats their strong point. now in the business world... sorry mac doesn't have what it takes. linux/windows ftw. mac can't compete. you can't run a multi million or billion dollar company in todays world w/o windows/linux - way too many needs to fill.
if you want a nice home sys that won't cause many issues and all you want to do is surf the web, etc then buy a mac.
Yea when i was younger my at my grandmothers house all she had was mac she still uses mac over pc's to this very day........ but i still prefer PC over mac
Is this argument still going on? Apple realized having proprietary processors and memory was a lost cause, they even switched to PC based hardware. Its the same hardware now. Apple chooses which hardware they want to support (drivers) and build their o/s to only support that. They even knew their beloved subsystem was outdated and not modular and switched to a BSD based system (not linux as has been said in this thread).
Its now a operating system argument. I have personally ran Mac OS X on my non-apple desktop and laptop. The interface is neat but doesn't really deliver enough to justify the effort or excessive cost. Go buy your macbook for $1500+ that has the exact same specs as a $600 toshiba.
That being said, I believe that vista is a flashier reincarnation of ME from a functionality/stability standpoint. I current still use XP Pro alongside Ubuntu linux. I find myself booting and using linux more and more as time goes on, even windows isn't worth the trouble but i still need the compatibility at times.
I have a two personal computers, and two I work on at work.
My computers are a 2.60GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB ram, NVIDIA GeForce 9300M GS vid card Sony Vaio laptop, and my desktop is a 2.46GHz Intel Core 2 Quad Core, 4GB ram, NVIDIA GeForce® 9800 GX2 vid card, personally built PC.
At my job, I work on a-year-old iMac and a semi-new G5. This is actually the first job in my field I've had to work on a Mac. All the digital production houses in NYC I've worked at used BOXX windows PCs (I would sell my soul for one of those!).
I'm a graphic designer/digital compositor, and I prefer my Windows based PCs over the Apples any day.
Edit: QFT vvv
I use all the same programs, including having to render while editing at the same time, and I use both my laptop and desktop as gaming machines. At work, if I want to burn a DVD, retouch in Photoshop, and order prints through our JAVA BASED ordering program, the computer starts chugging.
my mac has no problems w/ any of the filters on Photoshop, but custom setups on PC's are nice, but I don't feel like having to go through the hassle of it plus if I'm gaming I'll use my PS3 so I can sit in front of my tv in my sparco seat and be comfortable. I know everyone has their preferences on what they prefer. But it doesn't make it better than the other just because you like it. since most of the hardware works on both platforms now.
Last edited by eViLMunkey; 07-27-2008 at 10:48 AM.
well no sh!t they've been able to do these long before intel took over the chipsets for mac, but why would someone buy mac hardware to run windows in a residential or corporate enviroment? there are no advantages on doing that when you can buy a PC for a fraction of the cost and do a sh!t ton more with it. example i want to run a PBX or Web server why would i spend 2x the price to build it on a mac? this doesn't even include you still will need specific hardware/software requirements to do most of thess things.
you bring up web development - though my title is network administrator, i've had quite a side business for the past 10 years doing development/design work in both the residential/commercial markets. i've used both systems and it just comes down to apples and oranges... if you are custom to using macromedia/adobe products you can use either system and get the same sh!t done - also if you are on windows Visual Studio is a must - but again why would you dual boot a system just to run all of these apps when you can just build a windows machine to do it?
imo most mac users are like bmw drivers - pay more to do the same thing and they all think they are designers/developers/sound engineers.
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I wouldn't say that Apple realized their proprietary hardware was a lost cause, per se, but rather they just acknowleged that Intel was making much better, cheaper processors than the PowerPCs that IBM was cranking out. Their relationship with IBM had become rocky at best, and the switch to Intel just made sense. Apple benefited, the consumer benefited... why make an issue out of it? Also, I haven't seen anyone say its based around Linuxbut I DID say its based on a UNIX platform.... please try and tell me that its not.
As far as comparing a Macbook to a $600 Toshiba... I used to sell both of them for a few years. I literally saw hundreds of low-end Toshibas returned, and one Macbook... and she returned it to get black instead of white. The quality is undeniable, the bundled software is unparalleled (and more than makes up for the difference - if you compare Macs to PCs configured with equivalent software, you'll often find Macs are cheaper), and every single person I know who's "switched" (to use Apple's little buzzword) has been more than happy after having done so.
By the way, running the OSx86 project, in my experience, dampers the allure of the OS due to glitchy performance, nightmarish driver support, etc - to be fair, this was quite some time ago (early in the project) on an older PC I'd built, so this may not be fair, but I wouldn't advocate basing your feelings on OS X on your experience with OSx86.
I'm not saying OH MAC IS BETTER, I'm just throwing some counterpoints out there. On the other hand, I have absolutely no counterpoints for your assessment of Vista... ugh. My parents bought a Vista box not long ago, and after I came to help them get up and running, I ended up taking it back asap and buying them a Mac Mini... they couldn't be more enthralled. They never used to use the computer at all, and now they never get off. As for Ubunutu, I dual-booted with that OS for a while and was really pleased with it. I used it more as a novelty than anything else, but I certainly liked it.
PS admin didnt you have a 2002?
Laptop - Mac
Desktop - PC
This is a bold claim, I know, but I'm gonna make it anyway: NOBODY makes a good PC laptop. NO ONE. There are some decent ones, but no good or great ones. I'll never buy another one again. MacBook / Pro / Air FTW.
As far as desktops are concerned, Mac makes good ones, but they're expensive and I like a lot of customization, so I'd build my own PC desktop, and save some cash in the process.
^^ thats a pretty fair stance imo.
So answer me this..... what kind of laptop should i get??? im leanin towards a dell , gateway or hp.
You know I don't drive a Break My Wallet
So answer me this..... what kind of laptop should i get??? im leanin towards a dell , gateway or hp.
If you're going PC based Laptop go w/ an AlienWare
my typo and mistake.i meant unix instead of linux.
i have a mac and will live and die by mac.i wouldn't recommend anything else.i am a network specialist (cisco and linux) and it pisses me off when all day long i hear people complain about their computer and it's problems and the problems it has syncing with their network or another one
mac does support all microsoft applications,linux,and even unix.besides,when you say that the pc does all the same **** as the mac,but for half the price,you're sadly mistaking.they do alot that a mac does,but works at about a tenth of the capability and has 50 times as many problems.
ask yourself this:do you know of any "mac-technicians"?no,you don't.they have a genius bar to advise or help with stuff,but they aren't techs because macs don't break down.that is also why the certification exams are for pcs (microsoft,dell,hp,etc.) and not macs.you can get certified,but the certificatons will cost your for all 7 or 8 of them about $45k total.
one last note.for those on here who do own macs and are really bothered by the high cost of the software and/or programs,i know a webpage that has them for really cheap.for instance,i bought my adobe photoshop cs3 master collection for $350 compared to the $2500-$2600 retail
I want to see a 5 minute video of this system running Crysis @1680x1050 with all settings maxed
There's absolutely no real hassle in building a PC. Everything is pretty much strictly plug and play.
As I've mentioned in the Whore's Lounge gaming thread, I'm an all around gamer. I game on PC's and consoles. I am completely comfortable lying in bed, playing WoW or TF2 on my laptop, as I am playing the PS3 in the theater room.plus if I'm gaming I'll use my PS3 so I can sit in front of my tv in my sparco seat and be comfortable.
I never made the claim that either is better than the other. I was replying to your original question just as everyone else had...I know everyone has their preferences on what they prefer. But it doesn't make it better than the other just because you like it.
Those were the reasons why I prefer PCs over Macs. That's all.
lol!!i'm not a gaming person unless it's like zelda,god of war,etc.those types of games,and was never a pc gamer at all.like the idea though.i checked the game out and it looks really stunning!!I want to see a 5 minute video of this system running Crysis @1680x1050 with all settings maxed
I didn't say the system wasn't unix based, i said it wasn't linux based. Please re-read the thread. Part of apple's quality and low problem rate is BECAUSE they do use selective hardware that way there is less problems providing support due to hardware with unsigned drivers etc on misc cheap hardware. But thats the only argument i can give to them. Please also note im not bashing OS X, its a decent operating system. I just dont think its nice enough to justify the excessive cost of apple's hardware. I have os X experience with legitimate hardware as well as osx86. With proper drivers it actually performed very well on my athlon 64 x2 system and duo-core laptop. Also, i wasnt touting vista in any way. It does not impress me, its an overly flashy operating system that uses way much resources for my liking, which is why i probably like a lean, powerful linux based system.I wouldn't say that Apple realized their proprietary hardware was a lost cause, per se, but rather they just acknowleged that Intel was making much better, cheaper processors than the PowerPCs that IBM was cranking out. Their relationship with IBM had become rocky at best, and the switch to Intel just made sense. Apple benefited, the consumer benefited... why make an issue out of it? Also, I haven't seen anyone say its based around Linux
As far as comparing a Macbook to a $600 Toshiba... I used to sell both of them for a few years. I literally saw hundreds of low-end Toshibas returned, and one Macbook... and she returned it to get black instead of white. The quality is undeniable, the bundled software is unparalleled (and more than makes up for the difference - if you compare Macs to PCs configured with equivalent software, you'll often find Macs are cheaper), and every single person I know who's "switched" (to use Apple's little buzzword) has been more than happy after having done so.
By the way, running the OSx86 project, in my experience, dampers the allure of the OS due to glitchy performance, nightmarish driver support, etc - to be fair, this was quite some time ago (early in the project) on an older PC I'd built, so this may not be fair, but I wouldn't advocate basing your feelings on OS X on your experience with OSx86.
I'm not saying OH MAC IS BETTER, I'm just throwing some counterpoints out there. On the other hand, I have absolutely no counterpoints for your assessment of Vista... ugh. My parents bought a Vista box not long ago, and after I came to help them get up and running, I ended up taking it back asap and buying them a Mac Mini... they couldn't be more enthralled. They never used to use the computer at all, and now they never get off. As for Ubunutu, I dual-booted with that OS for a while and was really pleased with it. I used it more as a novelty than anything else, but I certainly liked it.
PS admin didnt you have a 2002?
I think you read a majority of what i said incorrectly and took it as a personal jab. Please re-read this thread before you try to make a personal assault on me
I'm sorry, what? Haha I took nothing you wrote as anything remotely close to a personal jab, and was absolutely not "making a personal assault on you" in any way shape or form. I'm a bit confused as to how/why you interpreted my post that way. I sincerely apologize if for some reason it seemed even the slightest bit incendiary.
I was just trying to produce some civil, completely non-argumentative conversational counter-points... and hell, I even agreed with you on a few levels (particularly regarding Vista's utter uselessness and a shared appreciation for Linux). If anyone is misinterpreting someone else, I believe you're misinterpreting me.
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