T.I. vs. Luda again??

[Revmaynard]

I agree with bigdare. On Ludacris versus T.I.

[bware113]

True dat.

[VIP Style]

naw QD, you purposely cut off the last words of what you was quoting me on what I previously posted because you know its true. All TI talk is how he thinks he the **** just because he moved a little cocaine and how he "thinks" he is the king of the south and "bustin guns". he is not that great of a rapper.



And Ludacris does? The **** are you talking about? All he is known for is his humorous wordplay lyrical style. He's not known for deepness in content. Later, QD.[/QUOTE]

[quickdodge®]

^^^ What I cut off had nothing to do with what I posted. You were insinuating that TI doesn't rap about **** and that Ludacris does. Ludacris' lyrics are about as deep as kitchen sink. To me they both suck. I've never liked either of them. Later, QD.

[bware113]

Why not??

[quickdodge®]

Why not??? Huh? Later, QD.

[bware113]

Why Don't You Like Them??

[quickdodge®]

Why don't you like gay sex(assuming you don't)? I just don't. I think they both suck. I can't stand Ludacris' voice. To me, it's annoying. I'm a West Coaster through and through and an old school junkie. I dislike most anything from the South/North from 1995 and up. Later, QD.

[Dracc]

Why don't you like gay sex(assuming you don't)? I just don't. I think they both suck. I can't stand Ludacris' voice. To me, it's annoying. I'm a West Coaster through and through and an old school junkie. I dislike most anything from the South/North from 1995 and up. Later, QD.

I"m a west coaster my damn self.. Oakland cali.. taylor street crips.. but anyway.. you sound exactly like my father.. he does not like anything from 95 on up.. and snap music.. omg he can't stand that shiet for nothing.. and he personally hates TI.. because hes just dumb

[Greddypacked]

luda would destroy that ***** t.i.

T.i. sayin same **** same sound since trap muzik gtfo here with that. Luda tru king of the south

Tru dat.

[bware113]

Oakland music gets a bye with me cause it sounds like southern music in my opinion. Los Angeles sucks all-around. Not much of a fan of Northern music but some of it is cool. Texas is so "pie". Old school wise I Bone Thugs- Eternal 1999 was the greatest.
I don't see anyone out west touching T.I.P. or Luda. At all.

[VIP Style]

i dont know, i think game can touch TI, but not luda.

Oakland music gets a bye with me cause it sounds like southern music in my opinion. Los Angeles sucks all-around. Not much of a fan of Northern music but some of it is cool. Texas is so "pie". Old school wise I Bone Thugs- Eternal 1999 was the greatest.
I don't see anyone out west touching T.I.P. or Luda. At all.

[Lizbiz101]

I'm sure this has already been said in this thread, but I'm going to say it again anyway. When it comes to lyrics luda has TI by mileeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees. To me TI raps about the same thing in each song.....sorry. But TI does have more reps when it comes down to it.

I would say Andre would be the king of the South, he has skill and a level head.

and is this guy serious

[quickdodge®]

Old school wise I Bone Thugs- Eternal 1999 was the greatest.

Lolol. Bone is not old school.

I don't see anyone out west touching T.I.P. or Luda. At all.

Lolol even harder. Later, QD.

[bware113]

^ when you say old school do you mean Marvin Gaye???

[quickdodge®]

Marvin Gaye, as far as I know, was never a rapper. When I say old school, I mean Kurtis Blow, Run DMC, Grandmaster Flash, Salt-N-Pepa, Treacherous Three, Whodini, MC Shan, NWA, BDP, UTFO and others from that same era. Bone is on the verge of old school, but a few years away still. Later, QD.

[97ITR86]

True.



Not Big Boi or Luda. They're both very good rappers, but not King material. I think of King I think of versatility. Scarface talks about ****. He's all round. Andre, I will agree with as a contender. Later, QD.

How could you say Andre and not Big Boi? I mean it is pretty easy to say who the "kings of the south" are.......just combine the two names and there is your winner. Nobody has done more for southern rap than Outkast. For anybody that would like to disagree I hope you have a strong argument. These guys really made southern rap what it is today and really put Atlanta on the map.

[quickdodge®]

How could you say Andre and not Big Boi?

It was easy.

These guys really made southern rap what it is today and really put Atlanta on the map.

Atlanta is not the South. The South contains from South Carolina to Tennessee all the way over to Texas. Scarface, had a huge part of bringing the South up in the rap world. I never said Outkast didn't. But it seems you're speaking as a religious fan of Outkast. Just like TI fans scream he's the King. Just like Luda fans yell he's the King. I don't like any of the groups, so I don't have that luxury of being biased towards a certain group or individual. I did say, though, that between the two, one of them would be it. But the title King is only as good to the person as their opinion. There is no official title to be given out. If, in your mind, Outkast is King, then that's on you. If someone else thinks TI is King, then that's them. Nah mean. Later, QD.

[97ITR86]

It was easy.



Atlanta is not the South. The South contains from South Carolina to Tennessee all the way over to Texas. Scarface, had a huge part of bringing the South up in the rap world. I never said Outkast didn't. But it seems you're speaking as a religious fan of Outkast. Just like TI fans scream he's the King. Just like Luda fans yell he's the King. I don't like any of the groups, so I don't have that luxury of being biased towards a certain group or individual. I did say, though, that between the two, one of them would be it. But the title King is only as good to the person as their opinion. There is no official title to be given out. If, in your mind, Outkast is King, then that's on you. If someone else thinks TI is King, then that's them. Nah mean. Later, QD.

I do know that southern rap is not just Atlanta but lets face this city puts out more music then any other southern city. I am a big Outkast loyalist since 94. Just to me these guys are like pioneers of southern rap and made a huge difference on the scene. Don't get me wrong UGK and Scarface do deserve some credit. To me Ridn Dirty is one of the best albums ever put out. These guys have been making hits for years. I just feel like Scarface isn't looked at as a southern rapper because of his sound, he has a different vibe with his music. Well to each his own.

[quickdodge®]

Well to each his own.

Exactly. Nothing wrong with being a "loyalist" to your favorite group. I'll contend all day long that NWA was the best rap group in the history of rap. Well, behind Grandmaster Flash. Later, QD.

[97ITR86]

Exactly. Nothing wrong with being a "loyalist" to your favorite group. I'll contend all day long that NWA was the best rap group in the history of rap. Well, behind Grandmaster Flash. Later, QD.

I would have to agree with you on NWA. There will never again be a group of just raw talented rappers like NWA. I'm not a big west coast man but I have to give them much respect for there greatness.Gotta love the pioneers of gangsta rap.

[quickdodge®]

I would have to agree with you on NWA. There will never again be a group of just raw talented rappers like NWA. I'm not a big west coast man but I have to give them much respect for there greatness.Gotta love the pioneers of gangsta rap.

Good post. +30 to you. Just as I am not a fan of newer East Coast ****, but I never gave Outkast disrespect and for what they have done. Lolol. Later, QD.

[BLK JDM]

It's kind of upsetting to me in that all these arguments and debates of who is or isn't the "King" or "Kings" of the South-no one has mentioned the boys out of Memphis, 8-ball and MJG!!!

Now don't get me wrong, I'm still in a personal debate w/ myself on either UGK or Scarface when it comes to #1 but my top 5 are UGK, Scarface, then 8-ball & MJG, and then another battle between Outkast(Dungeon Family) and Three-6 Mafia(Hypnotized Mindz Camp).

[97ITR86]

It's kind of upsetting to me in that all these arguments and debates of who is or isn't the "King" or "Kings" of the South-no one has mentioned the boys out of Memphis, 8-ball and MJG!!!

Now don't get me wrong, I'm still in a personal debate w/ myself on either UGK or Scarface when it comes to #1 but my top 5 are UGK, Scarface, then 8-ball & MJG, and then another battle between Outkast(Dungeon Family) and Three-6 Mafia(Hypnotized Mindz Camp).

I don't see how you can even compare 3-6 mafia to outkast........that is just sad. :-(

[quickdodge®]

I don't see how you can even compare 3-6 mafia to outkast........that is just sad. :-(

I will go with you on that.

I'm still in a personal debate w/ myself on either UGK or Scarface when it comes to #1 but my top 5

We weren't talking about top 5's. That's why you didn't see 8ball/MJG in there. Later, QD.

[BLK JDM]

I know we weren't talking about top 5 but w/ the names thrown out I think I would have seen someone say something about 8ball/MJG.

Lyrically you cannot compare OutKast and 3-6 Mafia. They have such a different flow it's uncomparable. But when I compare things-I try to leave out all my biases and look at the facts. Three-6 has done a lot of things and is known throughout. Not saying OutKast isn't but if you take out bias and look at every achievement and numbers sold they're actually not that far apart.

[quickdodge®]

3-6 Mafia = 2 Gold albums and 2 Platinum albums
Outkast = 2 Platinum albums
3 2X Platinum albums
1 4X Platinum album
1 11X Platinum album

3/6 has put out nine albums of which 5 never made Gold. Outkast has released 7 albums of which none made Gold. They all went Platinum or above. Looks pretty far apart to me, lolol. Later, QD.

[BLK JDM]

So what do you get for an Oscar?? What about all the underground 3-6 albums and artists?? What about all the movies. I guess they don't count for anything when it comes to helping the South make a name for themselves in music?

[quickdodge®]

So what do you get for an Oscar?? What about all the underground 3-6 albums and artists?? What about all the movies. I guess they don't count for anything when it comes to helping the South make a name for themselves in music?

I never said that. Neither did you. You mentioned how much they sold. Outkast did MUCH more for South rap than 3/6 did. Not saying 3/6 didn't do anything. Just can't add up to Outkast's numbers overall. Later, QD.

[97ITR86]

So what do you get for an Oscar?? What about all the underground 3-6 albums and artists?? What about all the movies. I guess they don't count for anything when it comes to helping the South make a name for themselves in music?

You just proved my point....they didn't accomplish anything in helping the south. Yeah they one a Grammy for a song off of Hustle and Flow!!!! Come on that doesn't make them close to being kings. To me to be considered a "king" you had to have paved the way in some fashion and really made a difference in music. I'm not saying Outkast made a difference like Grandmaster flash or Sugarhill gang but they are in a way examples of those two New York legends for the south.

[Seymour222]

I think UGK just realized they had all the "street cred" they needed. The new albums were not as gangster as the previous. Dirty Money, Riding Dirty, etc were for a different demographic,IMO. I don't think the new albums are ****ty, just put out for the audience that will pay 15 bucks for a CD, or 50 bucks for a concert ticket. Just my opinion. If I had street cred, and was still broke, I would re-evaluate my financial situation.

[VIP Style]

EXACTLY, I would take being paid over street credibility any day, street credibility wont pay the mortgage or the high car notes, you feel me.

I think UGK just realized they had all the "street cred" they needed. The new albums were not as gangster as the previous. Dirty Money, Riding Dirty, etc were for a different demographic,IMO. I don't think the new albums are ****ty, just put out for the audience that will pay 15 bucks for a CD, or 50 bucks for a concert ticket. Just my opinion. If I had street cred, and was still broke, I would re-evaluate my financial situation.

[bware113]

Outkast>8ball & MJG>UGK allday.