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    Quote Originally Posted by ironchef
    There is another problem right there. It would take a highly intelligent, efficient, and potentially non corrupt government for that to happen. The U.S. Government possesses maybe only one of those qualities.
    When the government is afraid of the people and not the people being afraid of the government then progressive measures can be achieved. There needs to be consequences for corruption and I think things are beginning to change. Watch how this whole thing goes down with the democrats and I think you will see an awakening from the american people never seen in our lifetime.

    You have the political machine going up against the people and the two are going to clash.. at the same time whats worse, the government or an industry whose #1 incentive is to make a profit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony
    When the government is afraid of the people and not the people being afraid of the government then progressive measures can be achieved. There needs to be consequences for corruption and I think things are beginning to change. Watch how this whole thing goes down with the democrats and I think you will see an awakening from the american people never seen in our lifetime.
    I really hope some sort of awakening does happen, and reform happens across the board. Do I realistically think it will happen? No, and the reason goes back to your statement of people being afraid of the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony
    When the government is afraid of the people and not the people being afraid of the government then progressive measures can be achieved. There needs to be consequences for corruption and I think things are beginning to change. Watch how this whole thing goes down with the democrats and I think you will see an awakening from the american people never seen in our lifetime.

    You have the political machine going up against the people and the two are going to clash.. at the same time whats worse, the government or an industry whose #1 incentive is to make a profit?

    I agree that the government should be afraid of the people. But the very nature of unviersal healthcare is setting us up to be dependant upon a government for a necessity...not the other way around. I'm a bit confused about who the political machine is in your statment. I wouldn't trust the government to provide for my family if something happened to me, yet this issue ties right in together with that aspect. I pay super high amounts of taxes to keep roads and other "public" works in good reapir and stuff yet the money is never there to fix them when needed. And you expect me to believe governement funded health care is a good idea? No sir.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo04
    I agree that the government should be afraid of the people. But the very nature of unviersal healthcare is setting us up to be dependant upon a government for a necessity...not the other way around. I'm a bit confused about who the political machine is in your statment. I wouldn't trust the government to provide for my family if something happened to me, yet this issue ties right in together with that aspect. I pay super high amounts of taxes to keep roads and other "public" works in good reapir and stuff yet the money is never there to fix them when needed. And you expect me to believe governement funded health care is a good idea? No sir.....
    Again, government provides free education.. police protection.. fire, military, or should we be paying for that on an individual basis too?

    And about the Military.. I'm all for funding it but I am not for funding wars that can be avoided, that is not efficient.

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