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    Default By far one of my most favorite rappers...



    'The 'hood means everything to me. You never know when you could wind up back in South-Central.'

    OVER the last two decades, he has extolled the virtues of race baiting, cop killing and "street knowledge" in rap songs; blazed fat blunts in the "Friday" film trilogy and cocked the hammer of semi-automatic weapons in such movies as "XXX: State of the Union," "Boyz n the Hood" and "Three Kings."

    And now, Ice Cube is keeping it real … for the kids?
    "Should anybody be surprised? No," Cube says, seated behind a heavy wooden desk at the Sunset Strip offices of his production company, Cube Vision Entertainment. "You can't pigeonhole me into anything."

    For evidence, look no further than the rapper-turned-actor's "Are We Done Yet?," a movie he also produced, which hit theaters Wednesday. A sequel to 2005's PG-rated family comedy "Are We There Yet?" — through some strange twist of fate, the biggest hit of Cube's mostly R-rated movie career — he's a newly married stepfather of two, and hell-bent on repairing a crumbling suburban fixer home. Where the earlier film (originally intended as an Adam Sandler vehicle) subjected the character to spatterings of pee-pee and barf, near-fatal traffic accidents and one particularly traumatic fistfight with a wild deer, the kiddie slapstick in "Done Yet" involves Cube's bumbling interactions with a zany building contractor and the local wildlife, a leaky roof and a pregnant wife. Not quite the metaphorical middle finger he gave mainstream pop culture in an earlier rap incarnation as "AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted."

    But then, such a resistance to categorization could as easily explain his recent moves as a multi-hyphenate performer, producer and burgeoning media mogul — the latest career chapter for one of the most revolutionary musicians Los Angeles has ever produced.

    In the last year, Cube, 37, has also independently released a gold-selling gangsta rap album, "Laugh Now, Cry Later," on his Lench Mob Records label. And "Good in the Hood," a new reality TV show that he executive produced, is in the offing for A&E.

    "I keep the fire in me," he says, hunching forward beneath a framed poster of the 1983 Al Pacino gangster flick "Scarface." "You gotta be able to survive in whatever environment you find yourself in. Ain't no guarantee that I'm going to have this life 30, 40 years from now. The people in New Orleans never thought they'd have to start over."

    And to hear the South-Central native (O'Shea Jackson to his family) tell it, his childhood stamping ground — specifically, the gang-infested blocks between South Van Ness Avenue to the west, Imperial Highway to the south, Western Avenue to the east and 108th Street to the north — remains an abiding muse.



    A geographic trip down memory lane does much to explain his drive to expand his entertainment empire. "The 'hood means everything to me," he says. "Everything I know is in South-Central. You never know when you could wind up back there."

    Ice Cube didn't invent gangsta rap. But with a discography that includes "Gangsta Gangsta" and "A Gangsta's Fairytale (Parts I and II)" he is widely regarded as having split the atom, genre-wise, giving voice to a uniquely Angeleno street level worldview.

    As N.W.A's primary songwriter (producer Andre "Dr. Dre" Young provided its musical component and Eric "Eazy-E" Wright was its mastermind), Cube was responsible for the intellectual content of the group's most notorious songs, 1989's "F--- tha Police" chief among them. By age 17, he had grafted underclass indignation and hustler braggadocio, ribald humor and a quasi-oracular ability to drop the F-bomb into songs like no one before him; a legacy that has carried over to a new generation of rap superstars like the Game, 50 Cent and Snoop Dogg.

    "That rage comes from where I grew up," he says. "People you know are getting shot. There's unchecked police harassment. You're sitting on your bike at 8 years old, the cops throw you against the hot hood of the car asking, 'Are you a Crip?' They think they're training you for something. It's traumatic."

    With his gift for narrative storytelling, the N.W.A co-founder came to be viewed as something of a ghetto soothsayer for chronicling black exasperation in the city in the years leading up to the 1992 Los Angeles riot. And he became one of the most forward faces of West Coast hip-hop — albeit a glowering visage with a mop of Jheri-curled hair glistening beneath a Los Angeles Raiders baseball cap.



    BUT if not for a Reagan-era public school initiative, Ice Cube might never have discovered the sense of perspective that made him question his surroundings.

    "I saw my community go from a slight gang problem to gang-infested in the '80s to a place with a major gang problem in the '90s," Cube remembers. "It was all I knew as a youngster. The turning point was being bused to Woodland Hills."

    Beginning in 1981, the school bus left South-Central each morning, traveling west down Imperial Highway, then north up the 405. It connected with the 101 in the Valley, then headed west to DeSoto Avenue, dropping young O'Shea Jackson, along with a veritable United Nations of lower-income students from across southern and eastern L.A., at the doorstep of Parkman Middle School.

    The green lawns of suburbia and middle-class torpor left a strong impression. "It was an environment I had only seen on 'The Brady Bunch,' " Cube recalls. "I started seeing that people out there were living better than we were. Nobody seemed to have a worry in the world. It might as well have been the moon."

    Ironically, it was in Woodland Hills — among the surfers, Valley girls, Mexican gang members and sheltered suburbanites — that the rapper realized he could become an organic voice of the ghetto. Accordingly, he began writing rhymes at age 14. "It let me know my place in the world," Cube continues. "You didn't have to worry about gang-banging there — I didn't even know how abnormal that was. My next question was: Why it ain't gotta be like that for us?"

    Although Cube is from South-Central and the rest of his N.W.A cohorts are from Compton, Dr. Dre's semi-regular appearances in Cube's neighborhood led to their creative collaboration. "Dre had a cousin who lived down the street from me named Sir Jinx," Ice Cube says. "Dre took me under his wing. That's how I wound up in Compton."

    EVEN though his records have sold millions of copies and his movies have combined to gross more than $861 million, according to the box-office data website the-numbers.com, 'hood fealty is a driving influence behind Ice Cube's hourlong reality series "Good in the Hood," set to go into production later this year. The rapper-producer plans to introduce each segment, profiling a reformed criminal (former gangbangers, drug dealers and robbers among them) who has taken on helping others turn their lives around.

    "We're showcasing people who are doing good in bad neighborhoods," he explains, "people who started out on the wrong side of the law who were able to change their ways."

    Cube is gently reminded that such subject matter represents an abrupt departure from his N.W.A-era glamorization of carjackings, looting, home invasions and crack dealing.

    "It's time to shine light on the do-gooders," he says. "You always hear about the kids going to jail, doing crimes. But they never profile the ones who are not screwing up. Here's our chance to profile people who against all odds are being good."

    So does this signal the arrival of a kinder, gentler Ice Cube? He concedes that playing a "cool dad" in "Are We Done Yet?" — a guy who probably lives in a community not unlike the now Valley-dwelling Cube — is a change of pace. But he warns against reading too much into his kid-friendly demeanor.

    "You shouldn't mistake me for Mr. Rogers — by no means," Ice Cube says. "I'm just a person who has different sides just like anybody else."

    With a flourish of gangsta alacrity he adds: "I'm sure if you got Mr. Rogers mad enough, though, he'd have put a foot in your ass."


    To me, he is one of rap's G.O.A.T.s. He has just about all of it. Quality, consistency, lyrics and beats. Later, QD.
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    So why does he needs to still make rap songs trying to be ganster? Cats like him just keep finding a way to rape the hood with their want to be movie producer (PG-rated). Then want to come out w/gansta rap records to so call keep it real (in his bank account). Cube needs to just stick to acting and movie producing and leave all the gangsta rap to the peeps that still live in the hood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2turbo4u
    So why does he needs to still make rap songs trying to be ganster? Cats like him just keep finding a way to rape the hood with their want to be movie producer (PG-rated). Then want to come out w/gansta rap records to so call keep it real (in his bank account). Cube needs to just stick to acting and movie producing and leave all the gangsta rap to the peeps that still live in the hood.
    There is idiocy written all over this post. That motherfucker continues to make good music with quality lyrics. As with every rapper, there is a track or two that sucks, but overall, his shit is always on target. But I guess somone was just waiting for me to put out something I like so that they can trash that person since I trash their idol(50 Cent). Later, QD.
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    Well I'll let you know, if you ever go back to any post I've made. I am or never a 50 or any rapper jock strapper like yourself. My beliefs are purely on what I see and know. Cube had a good rap career but it's time to let it go and work on the next chapter in his life. Do you really think he's gonna live in the hood again?

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    turbo wtf are you talking about....cube can still rap and hell is can rap as long as he fucking wants even if his music sucks (which the new cd was tight) he still earned the right to continue rapping he is a legend he was the main one that took rap to level its on now. o yea and he has move to his next chapter own record label, own movie producing label, #1 movies in box office he has done it all in entertainment, now put whoever your favorite rapper next to cube and see what they amount up to?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2turbo4u
    any rapper jock strapper like yourself.
    On the contrary. And I don't see where I've ridden any rapper harder than you have, trick.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2turbo4u
    My beliefs are purely on what I see and know.
    You must not have any beliefs seeing as how what you "know" and what is real are two very different things.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2turbo4u
    Cube had a good rap career
    Had hell. He still HAS a good/great rap career. You've completely displayed your knowledge on rap and it is very low, man. Later, QD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BB6dohcvtec
    now put whoever your favorite rapper next to cube and see what they amount up to?
    I don't think Paul Wall comes close to comparing. Later, QD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BB6dohcvtec
    turbo wtf are you talking about....cube can still rap and hell is can rap as long as he fucking wants even if his music sucks (which the new cd was tight) he still earned the right to continue rapping he is a legend he was the main one that took rap to level its on now. o yea and he has move to his next chapter own record label, own movie producing label, #1 movies in box office he has done it all in entertainment, now put whoever your favorite rapper next to cube and see what they amount up to?


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    fucking great, post number 66- 7 minus 1
    Quote Originally Posted by redGT
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    Quote Originally Posted by B
    Jay-Z



    Don't flame, I'm just puttin' one out there.
    Gay Z hasn't done the amount that Cube has done. Granted he has done a lot and done his thing, though. Later, QD.
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    Jay has done a hell of a lot MORE than Cube, IN MY OPINION.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B
    Jay has done a hell of a lot MORE than Cube, IN MY OPINION.
    No way. What has he done? A clothing line? That's it. Cube has a successful movie career, a successful music career a couple of reasonably successful TV shows. I'm not talking about money wise(which Gay-Z has Cube on). I'm talking about more than just music. Later, QD.
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    yea seriously what has jay-z done besides rapping, the clothing line(he just sold), and being part owner of a nba team( mart meaning small percentage) thats it. cube>jay-z if it wasn't for cube there would be no jay-z


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    I think he is a great actor. As for rap... He's not my fav but he's still good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollin Deep
    I think he is a great actor. As for rap... He's not my fav but he's still good.
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    I will not get into a stupid grudge match here, so I will leave it as it is. Did anyone answer my question "Do you think he would move back into the hood?"

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    lol no because that was a stupid question that didn't need to be answered! so do you measure somebody success by if they left the hood or not??? if so then no rapper has been successful now have they?


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    I didn't answer because it wasn't really worth it. Later, QD.
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    Ice Cube is that dood.
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    I wrote a long ass response about this topic, but my internet fucked up and I don't feel like writing it again.

    Cliff notes:

    Jay-Z is President of a MAJOR label.
    Brought hip-hop into the mainstream.
    Brought hip-hop to more young white people than annyone else ever has.
    Brought major money to hip-hop.

    Not saying Cube didn't do his fair share, just think Jay-Z did more for his "generation" of hip-hop/rap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B
    I wrote a long ass response about this topic, but my internet fucked up and I don't feel like writing it again.

    Cliff notes:

    Jay-Z is President of a MAJOR label.
    Brought hip-hop into the mainstream.
    Brought hip-hop to more young white people than annyone else ever has.
    Brought major money to hip-hop.

    Not saying Cube didn't do his fair share, just think Jay-Z did more for his "generation" of hip-hop/rap.
    I'm not saying Z didn't do anything..or a lot, but being around for over 20 years and still kicking where many, many other rappers can't even get through 2-5 years, Cube is on top of Z.

    BTW< bringing hip hop into the mainstream shouldn't be bragged about, lolol. It's part of it's downfall. Lolol, again. 50 Cent is the other part. Later, QD.
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    I agree. Got all his albums, well worth the hardrive space
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    Some people see it as a down fall, but others (the one's making millions and platinum records because of it) see it as a better opportunity.


    I agree that Cube has been in longer obviously, but how many platinum plaques does he have? How many records has he sold? How many classic albums has he put out?
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    There is no one answer to this discussion. It is all a matter of personal preference, just like the top 5 rappers of all time.
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    [QUOTE="B"]There is no one answer to this discussion. It is all a matter of personal preference, just like the top 5 rappers of all time.[/QUO

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    Quote Originally Posted by B
    There is no one answer to this discussion. It is all a matter of personal preference, just like the top 5 rappers of all time.
    True. That's why you'll notice the title to the thread. Later, QD.
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    ok sorry B but i still have to disagree, rock-a-fella yea major label but def not major down here in the south besides Jay-Z no one on that label can sell. He also didn't bring rap to the mainstream the whole Death Row/ Bad boy drama shit brought it to the mainstream because all the beef they had produced alot of platinum albums on each side. and still if it wasn't of N.W.A, Public Enemy and rappers from that genre pushin the limit there would be no Jay-Z. pz


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    Quote Originally Posted by BB6dohcvtec
    ok sorry B but i still have to disagree, rock-a-fella yea major label but def not major down here in the south besides Jay-Z no one on that label can sell. He also didn't bring rap to the mainstream the whole Death Row/ Bad boy drama shit brought it to the mainstream because all the beef they had produced alot of platinum albums on each side. and still if it wasn't of N.W.A, Public Enemy and rappers from that genre pushin the limit there would be no Jay-Z. pz
    WTF are you talking about? I am not talking about Roc-a-Fella. I'm talking about the whole Def Jam empire. How many platinum plaques were around in rap before Jay-Z and how many after? Even garbage shit sells platinum these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B
    I'm talking about the whole Def Jam empire.
    My only comment on this is you really can't count Def Jam as one of Jay-Z's accomplishments as DJ has been up there for many, many years before JZ came aboard or even came into rap. Ya dig?

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    Even garbage shit sells platinum these days.
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    Jay Z had 10 Plat albums of which 5 were duos. Cube had 7 solo plat albums. Later, QD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quickdodge®
    My only comment on this is you really can't count Def Jam as one of Jay-Z's accomplishments as DJ has been up there for many, many years before JZ came aboard or even came into rap. Ya dig?



    Lolol. On the real. Later, QD.

    Then you wouldn't be able to count Cube's movies n shit.

    Not saying he built Def Jam (thats obvious), but he is the President of it. He will be helping guide hip-hop in what ever direction it will go. Cube can't do that with his own label/entertainment companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B
    Then you wouldn't be able to count Cube's movies n shit.

    Not saying he built Def Jam (thats obvious), but he is the President of it. He will be helping guide hip-hop in what ever direction it will go. Cube can't do that with his own label/entertainment companies.
    No. You can include Cube with his movies. It's his company that he started. Jay Z didn't start Def Jam. He didn't nearly bring it where it is today. If Def Jam stays on top and rises again, then Jay Z could be given credit for that. I didn't discredit his clothing line because he did that. He sold it, though. And Ice Cube can guide his production company into whatever direction it goes. Later, QD.
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    In the past seven years, Jay-Z has released eight
    consecutive multi-platinum albums and has been an
    integral part of building Roc-A-Fella Records into a
    multi-million dollar business
    Eight Platinum albums in 7 years? Wow. Took Cube 20 years to have 7.



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    Just recently with Reebok, Jay-Z became the first
    non-athlete to have a signature sneaker line. The
    S. Carter shoe broke Reebok's sales records and sold out
    throughout the company within the first hour of its debut
    in stores on April 18, 2003.

    Since 1996, Jay-Z has earned multiple Grammy, American
    Music, MTV Music Video, Soul Train and Billboard Awards.
    He is the first hip-hop artist to release an MTV
    Unplugged album, to appear on 60 Minutes, or to have a
    live televised Showtime concert.

    His list of accomplishments continues to grow. Jay-Z
    headlined the most successful and highest-grossing arena
    all-hip-hop tour in history. Most importantly, the nationwide,
    40+ city, Hard Knock Life Tour was completely violence-free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B
    Eight Platinum albums in 7 years? Wow. Took Cube 20 years to have 7.
    Again, as I stated before, I wasn't talking about just music. I am talking about all around. And don't forget, half of Jay Z's platinum albums were duos with other artists. All of Cube's 7 were solo shots. Pretty impressive. I was going to mention, and didn't, the time frame that you posted. There's nothing at all wrong with taking your time to produce and make quality records. It takes time. Also, Jay Z is a mainstream rap artist and pretty much has been for a lot longer than Cube. Cube never has gotten a lot of air play. But then again, you also have to look at Cub'e other endeavors. Making movies and such also consumes time, too. Time that could be spent writing more tracks. Lots of factors involved in that post you made that you might not have thought of. Later, QD.
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    From Vol 1 to present they have all been platinum. That isn't including His duets with R. Kelly or even GHOST WRITING for an ass load of other artists.
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    I remember the old Ice Cube, I grew up with NWA in high school. I loved Rap then. Went to the Public Enemy, Big Daddy Kane, Stetsasonic and 2 Live Crew show at the Omni. Out of all the OG Rappers, Ice Cube is probably the best. I agree with this thread.

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