or maybe because he's the highest paid football player, and his team is doing shitty. everyone is going to point the finger at the franchise player, if the team is doing bad. no one is going to say 'god, if brooking was doing better they would have won that game' or 'if crumpler had only blocked better things would have gone our way' they are going to blame the player who the franchise puts it's money in.Originally Posted by TeeJay
thats the way it works with MOST teams and MOST qbs, but that is not the way it works with vick....his receivers drop ball after ball, do you hear them getting blasted in the media?? no, all you hear about is vick this and vick that. his recievers even said it themselves, after one game this year i cant remember which one, they said it was their fault, and they need to make more plays for the qb
everyone who thinks like that is an idiot, i put the blame on who it should be. this year in most games, the blame goes to the secondary, the playcalling, and the receivers
and also the people who put blame on the most popular guys obviously dont watch the games or know anything about football, it takes 11 guys
not necessarily. if you were paying outstanding ammounts of money for a secondary with charles woodsen, lito sheppard, and roy williams. and you had the worst pass defense, people would be pissed at the secondary, not because of the fact that the offense didn't score enough. it works the same way here, atlanta put all of its money into a quarterback, that currently, itsn't performing.
it has nothing to do with 'popular' guys, it has to do with how much money these players are making. the more money, the more they are expected to perfrom. vick makes the most money and is expected to bring his team (yes, his team, as the quarterback he is the team leader) at the very least through the first round of the playoffs. and he hasn't been doing that.
like i said before, anyone who ecpects one man to lead an entire team to a super bowl is obviously an idiot. it is a team game, thats why the patriots are always right there, thats why pittsburgh was there last year. and fyi, in the years vick has made the playoffs, he has gotten past the first round.
and ill expand on the "team" part, thats why im glad mora is gone, he seemed like he had favorites and was too close to some of his players, which can lead to separation among the team. also, the falcons were always very undisciplined under mora, always scrapping and getting stupid penalties and what not. gotta play smart
not to mention vick through 13 interceptions which is high, and had a quarterback rating of 75.7.
obviously you are an idiot. you are right, it is a team game. but in every team, there is a LEADER. and it is usually the quarterback. he is expected to LEAD his team. the patriots are always there because tom brady is an excellent LEADER.
and yes, he has made it past the first round, but the expectation is to get increasingly better, not increasingly worse.
very true.
maybe lead wasnt the right word to use, i meant CARRY. it is too hard a job for one man to CARRY an entire team to the super bowl, when you got shitty playcalling, a secondary that gets roasted EVERY game, a fucking mrs. butterworth receiving corp, and an offensive line that cant give vick 3 seconds in the pocket. some games i watch and seriously, there are defenders in the backfield almost as soon as the ball is snapped, its unreal.
so for all the vick fans blaming the falcons, wouldnt you be happier seeing vick leave and be good?
serious question
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yeah. lead, yes. carry, thats a different story.
yes, i would. ive been saying it all along, i feel bad for him. its a lose lose situation in atlanta, worst sports town in america for sure
milwaukee is pretty bad.
milwaukee, lol
my fav vick qoute yet is,when they were talking bout moving him to RB againest Dallas,"im a Quaterback thats my job i throw the ball,I DONT RUN THE BALL"..i thought that was so funny,lol
oh and for the record im not a vick fan blaming the falcons, im a falcon fan placing blame where it should be placed.
on the contrary to what some people think, vick would rather throw first, run second...he just knows that throwing to those recievers will not get him anywhere, so he runs. he knows its all on his shoulders and if he doesnt get it done some way somehow, he will be ripped a new one.
I think I like it a little better this way, HalfBaked
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Why do you like that? You aren't even a Falcons fan. Anyways... How can you call Vick the most overrated player "period"? Do you ever watch Falcons games? You put Brady or Manning behind the current Falcons O-Line and see how long they would last, they would be turned into human origami. Vick does what he can with what he is given, "PERIOD". He gets 2 seconds (if he's lucky) to do his reads, if he doesn't see anything, he has nothing left to do except try and buy some more time with his feet. The ONLY player I could see even surving in this current system aside from Vick (or another mobile QB) would be a quick gunslinger like Tony Homo, and even then he'd still have to deal with the butterfingerlicious receivers. I'm not giving up hope on the receivers, but you'd have to be a blind ignorant moron sheep (see above) to think that all the faults of our offense go on Vicks shoulders.
So basically, as I said Vick does what he can with what he is given.
i say yes to the johnson trade because he is my favorite college player, and i want to see him in a position where he can win.
i never said that manning or brady wouldn't get sacked. all i said is that they make better decisions (which they do) and would do a better job sending a leadership image to the team, which im sorry, but vick doesn't do.
im not a falcon fan anymore,i became a Bills fan after we got vick
so you downgraded from being a falcon fan to a buffalo bills fan
to many falcon bandwagoners,that are here just for vick...after they changed their uniforms,they lost a fanso you downgraded from being a falcon fan to a buffalo bills fan
ps. the bills would been like 10-6 in the NFC
damn, A. Blank is muhfucca with the designated threats in '07. he really is catching a lot of heat though, so he has to make something happen.
I would hate to see Vick go, but if he were to succeed in another program; that would make the true fans very happy and be a baby powdered pimp slap to the face of haters.
I'm out of the loop, so has a new offensive coordinator been brought in already as well? If so, thank God. I was really pissed about how they used Dunn in short yardage situations in the latter part of the season. That's my boy and I've been a fan since my official visit at FSU during his senior season, but damn taking a 180lb guy and running him straight into an 8 man front is as Mike Tyson would say "ludicrous". I don't think I've heard anyone mention the need for another big RB, not a full back but a good solid runner with excellent speed and foot work.
I've been looking and I can't find any site that tracks the # of dropped passes. sure every now & then some site will say, "T.O has the most". leaving out that the guy played X# of games with a broken finger. hey you try and catch a pass from an NFL QB with a Jamed finger let alone a broken 1....back to the point. where to the Falcons rank in TEAM dropped passes? I bet they're not even in the top 5. then we could see if all this "it's the recievers that make Vick suck" or that Vick makes Vick suck.
Falcon's led the NFL in dropped passes.
They showed the stat on one of there last games this year.
Sometimes i wonder if some people here really keep up with football...
"Let's stroll down memory lane for a second.
San Diego knew in 2001 it wouldn't sign the expected top pick and made a trade with Atlanta: The Falcons got No. 1 and gave up the fifth pick, the third-round pick, the second-round pick in 2002 and receiver Tim Dwight.
With that fifth pick, San Diego chose LaDainian Tomlinson. Tay Cody of Florida State was the third-round pick, and Florida receiver Reche Caldwell the 2002 second-round choice.
Tomlinson has become one of the game's best running backs ever.
Cody started 11 times as a rookie, then played in five games the next two seasons. A little injury plagued, he was released early in the 2003 season, played nowhere in 2004 and has been in the Canadian Football League the past two seasons.
Caldwell caught 76 passes in four seasons at San Diego, left as a free agent and has 61 receptions this year for New England.
Dwight caught 91 passes in four seasons at San Diego and has 35 catches during the past two in New England and with the New York Jets. His season ended early last month with foot and thigh injuries."
"Giving Vick every credit for a win and blaming the rest of the world for a loss.
Some of what they ignore is that Vick:
• was 18th out of 19 NFC quarterbacks in fourth-quarter productivity - including no TD passes in the final quarter - and 12th of 18 in third-down passing;
• failed to complete 50 percent of his passes in five games this year.
• was the quarterback of a team that scored 14 points or fewer in nine of 16 games;
• has completed a lower percentage of passes each of the past three years;
• was sacked 45 times in 2006, the second most of his career.
So he was sacked and still rushed for 1,000 yards, and his passing numbers decreased and the Falcons missed the playoffs. Becoming less a "great athlete" and more "an efficient and winning quarterback" is pretty much the deal right now."
John Clopton
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I dont think Mora was the problem, I think Vick is. Vick is not coachable. I have played against athletes with the attitude that Vick has. They think they are a 1 man show, and they tell the coach what they are going to do, not the other way around. Until you have a leader on the team that is a team player and puts the team first, Atlanta will continue to have a losing team and fingers will start pointing.
John Clopton
2004 Yukon Denali
2007 Volvo S40
yea its also funny hes never been able to match is best year,his first year,16td 8ints,and 3K passing...hes a terrible QB that sells tickets,and thats the only reason hes still around
Im not gonna read this whole thread. This same conversation was brought up along time ago when Vick flipped off the fans. I made my opinion then, so i just save my breath. Hopefully Vick wont be traded, and hopefully the falcons can get it together.
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