im not a falcons fan. i hate the falcons, actually. and i will agree with anyone, vick is an amazing athlete, but as an NFL quarterback he doesn't cut it. He got 1,000 yards rushing, thats amazing as well. but he is a quarterback. and until he can learn patience and not rely on running, and only use it as a surprise every now and then, he will not be a top NFL quarterback.
ok tell me something smart guy, put yourself in vicks shoes. if you were a qb and had to throw the ball to those receivers, what the fuck would you do?? i said it already in another thread, and ill say it again, if my life depended on a falcon reciever catching a ball, i would be scared shitlessOriginally Posted by ksinao
i would continue to throw the ball at the recievers, which is the quarterbacks job. if they don't catch it, then it's on them, but at least i did my job corretctly. teams have running backs, and it is the runningbacks job to run the ball. he would look alot better to everyone if he did his job and didn't try to take the game into his own hands, which hardly ever works.
thats the way it works with MOST teams and MOST qbs, but that is not the way it works with vick....his receivers drop ball after ball, do you hear them getting blasted in the media?? no, all you hear about is vick this and vick that. his recievers even said it themselves, after one game this year i cant remember which one, they said it was their fault, and they need to make more plays for the qb
my fav vick qoute yet is,when they were talking bout moving him to RB againest Dallas,"im a Quaterback thats my job i throw the ball,I DONT RUN THE BALL"..i thought that was so funny,lol
on the contrary to what some people think, vick would rather throw first, run second...he just knows that throwing to those recievers will not get him anywhere, so he runs. he knows its all on his shoulders and if he doesnt get it done some way somehow, he will be ripped a new one.
do you even watch the games or are you just another bandwagon vick hater?? LOL @ the espn generation, they only know the bs that espn throws at them
yeah your right. it's a conspiracy. everyone at ESPN hates vick, and they make it their personal job to make sure they can fill the heads of mindless viewers with useless stats and clips to make people hate vick.
not just espn, im just using it as an example, nobody WANTS vick to succeed, why i dunno, maybe cause hes black?? who knows
or maybe because he's the highest paid football player, and his team is doing shitty. everyone is going to point the finger at the franchise player, if the team is doing bad. no one is going to say 'god, if brooking was doing better they would have won that game' or 'if crumpler had only blocked better things would have gone our way' they are going to blame the player who the franchise puts it's money in.
everyone who thinks like that is an idiot, i put the blame on who it should be. this year in most games, the blame goes to the secondary, the playcalling, and the receivers
and also the people who put blame on the most popular guys obviously dont watch the games or know anything about football, it takes 11 guys
it has nothing to do with 'popular' guys, it has to do with how much money these players are making. the more money, the more they are expected to perfrom. vick makes the most money and is expected to bring his team (yes, his team, as the quarterback he is the team leader) at the very least through the first round of the playoffs. and he hasn't been doing that.
not necessarily. if you were paying outstanding ammounts of money for a secondary with charles woodsen, lito sheppard, and roy williams. and you had the worst pass defense, people would be pissed at the secondary, not because of the fact that the offense didn't score enough. it works the same way here, atlanta put all of its money into a quarterback, that currently, itsn't performing.
not to mention vick through 13 interceptions which is high, and had a quarterback rating of 75.7.
so for all the vick fans blaming the falcons, wouldnt you be happier seeing vick leave and be good?
serious question
FUCK B&D COMMUNICATIONS!
yes, i would. ive been saying it all along, i feel bad for him. its a lose lose situation in atlanta, worst sports town in america for sure
milwaukee is pretty bad.
oh and for the record im not a vick fan blaming the falcons, im a falcon fan placing blame where it should be placed.
milwaukee, lol
i say yes to the johnson trade because he is my favorite college player, and i want to see him in a position where he can win.
i never said that manning or brady wouldn't get sacked. all i said is that they make better decisions (which they do) and would do a better job sending a leadership image to the team, which im sorry, but vick doesn't do.
im not a falcon fan anymore,i became a Bills fan after we got vick
so you downgraded from being a falcon fan to a buffalo bills fan
to many falcon bandwagoners,that are here just for vick...after they changed their uniforms,they lost a fanso you downgraded from being a falcon fan to a buffalo bills fan
ps. the bills would been like 10-6 in the NFC
damn, A. Blank is muhfucca with the designated threats in '07. he really is catching a lot of heat though, so he has to make something happen.
I would hate to see Vick go, but if he were to succeed in another program; that would make the true fans very happy and be a baby powdered pimp slap to the face of haters.
I'm out of the loop, so has a new offensive coordinator been brought in already as well? If so, thank God. I was really pissed about how they used Dunn in short yardage situations in the latter part of the season. That's my boy and I've been a fan since my official visit at FSU during his senior season, but damn taking a 180lb guy and running him straight into an 8 man front is as Mike Tyson would say "ludicrous". I don't think I've heard anyone mention the need for another big RB, not a full back but a good solid runner with excellent speed and foot work.
I've been looking and I can't find any site that tracks the # of dropped passes. sure every now & then some site will say, "T.O has the most". leaving out that the guy played X# of games with a broken finger. hey you try and catch a pass from an NFL QB with a Jamed finger let alone a broken 1....back to the point. where to the Falcons rank in TEAM dropped passes? I bet they're not even in the top 5. then we could see if all this "it's the recievers that make Vick suck" or that Vick makes Vick suck.
Falcon's led the NFL in dropped passes.
They showed the stat on one of there last games this year.
Sometimes i wonder if some people here really keep up with football...
"Let's stroll down memory lane for a second.
San Diego knew in 2001 it wouldn't sign the expected top pick and made a trade with Atlanta: The Falcons got No. 1 and gave up the fifth pick, the third-round pick, the second-round pick in 2002 and receiver Tim Dwight.
With that fifth pick, San Diego chose LaDainian Tomlinson. Tay Cody of Florida State was the third-round pick, and Florida receiver Reche Caldwell the 2002 second-round choice.
Tomlinson has become one of the game's best running backs ever.
Cody started 11 times as a rookie, then played in five games the next two seasons. A little injury plagued, he was released early in the 2003 season, played nowhere in 2004 and has been in the Canadian Football League the past two seasons.
Caldwell caught 76 passes in four seasons at San Diego, left as a free agent and has 61 receptions this year for New England.
Dwight caught 91 passes in four seasons at San Diego and has 35 catches during the past two in New England and with the New York Jets. His season ended early last month with foot and thigh injuries."
"Giving Vick every credit for a win and blaming the rest of the world for a loss.
Some of what they ignore is that Vick:
• was 18th out of 19 NFC quarterbacks in fourth-quarter productivity - including no TD passes in the final quarter - and 12th of 18 in third-down passing;
• failed to complete 50 percent of his passes in five games this year.
• was the quarterback of a team that scored 14 points or fewer in nine of 16 games;
• has completed a lower percentage of passes each of the past three years;
• was sacked 45 times in 2006, the second most of his career.
So he was sacked and still rushed for 1,000 yards, and his passing numbers decreased and the Falcons missed the playoffs. Becoming less a "great athlete" and more "an efficient and winning quarterback" is pretty much the deal right now."
John Clopton
2004 Yukon Denali
2007 Volvo S40
I dont think Mora was the problem, I think Vick is. Vick is not coachable. I have played against athletes with the attitude that Vick has. They think they are a 1 man show, and they tell the coach what they are going to do, not the other way around. Until you have a leader on the team that is a team player and puts the team first, Atlanta will continue to have a losing team and fingers will start pointing.
John Clopton
2004 Yukon Denali
2007 Volvo S40
yea its also funny hes never been able to match is best year,his first year,16td 8ints,and 3K passing...hes a terrible QB that sells tickets,and thats the only reason hes still around
thank you, for posting all the stats i didn't know, and continuing to prove the point, that vick is overrated.
Yet another biased and worthless opinion.
how can you call my opinion biased, without reading the entire thread.
Im not gonna read this whole thread. This same conversation was brought up along time ago when Vick flipped off the fans. I made my opinion then, so i just save my breath. Hopefully Vick wont be traded, and hopefully the falcons can get it together.
Because, you said that the facts posted above proved your point that vick is overrated. The facts are used in a fashion that tries to shine a negative light on vick. You can make anyone look bad by saying only negative things about them. Im not saying that im a blind follower of vick or anything, just it bothers me that you seem so confident and assured that Vick is overrated. I may have been a little rude with what i said and i apologize for coming off that way. This topic just irritates me. Ill explain further a little later, gotta get ready for work.
oh, well i just don't like vick period. i think he is a good athlete, but that he is not fit to play a quarterback in the NFL. or ar at least be the highest paid. thats why i call him overrated, because he makes the most money and doesn't produce very well. if he wasn't paid that much, then i wouldnt call him overrated because he would be producing the numbers that he was paid for. but right now he is underproducing for what the falcons pay for him. i have always thought this, and everytime i watch them play i think this. i never had the exact stats in front of me, so i was thanking him for posting them.
Ok heres my opinion on the subject.
Quarterbacks are typically the "lead-man" of a football team. They take the wrap when things go wrong and when they win, they get the most glory. How if the team as a whole isnt playing to par, then its gonna make the quarterback stick out and he will be the one catching the most heat for it. This is not to say that the quarterback isnt in fault, just that he is the center of attention. With Vick this is extremely true. When people watch the falcons play, they pay the most attention to vick. So if his receivers arent catching the ball, and his lineman arent blockin like they should, Vick cannot perform to his best. Then you have the fact that he holds the record for the most rushing yard for a Quarterback in the NFL, the Defense for other teams are expecting him to run. So they are set-up for him to run. This automatically puts him in the situation where he almost has to run the ball. In an interview he said that he doesnt like running the ball all the time. He said he wanted to show that he is still a lethal quarterback when he is passing. He thanked his lineman for protecting him aswell. People get this mental image of him being a prick and an asshole, when infact he may be, but we as fans have alot to do with it. When your constantly under the magnifying glass it puts alot of pressure on you. Then to have your every mistake, whether your fault or not, criticised wouldnt make you very happy either. We as fans hype Vick up, then if he doesnt meet our expectations, we blame him and get dissappointed. So how is it his fault that we expect him to be perfect under any condition? We expect him to complete every pass, convert every 3rd and 4th down, and dodge every tackle and logically thats impossible. But ill quit, i got carried away. Thats just kinda how i see it.
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