Quote Originally Posted by 00CelicaGT
i can agree with chris on this entire statement.

i rode in the car with jermaine the night he raced alan, i can honestly say it pulled hard. im not basing my opinion on a B16 from his and Alans race. i just dont really care for the b16 since everyone has one, i have rode in plenty EF's, EG's and etc... hat had B16's in them and was not impressed. most only had I/H/E, a few had some cam's and pistons, and 1 was even boosted. the boost car was the only one that impressed me, but thats because it had a turbo on it. i guess since i dare to be different is why i dont care for them. when i used to street race i beet plenty on the street in my celica which is a GT and is rated 140hp/140trq, maybe that's why im not impressed IDK.

i personally like my "D"... i like it for the simple fact that it's not all over the street, before i even got the car i was planing a swap for it. but when i first got the car and drove it i was very surprised with the power of the car and it's power band. no matter wat gear or RPM the the car will pull all the way to rev limiter. now iv'e fallen victom to the B series bug but that was month's ago when people weren't building LS/VTEC's all over atlanta, now that im almost done im not sure i even want to put it in the hatch. Alan can even chime in and tell u that i have been tosing the idea around of selling the motor. but i still haven't made up my mind, i have even been tosing the idea around of puting a K24 that im about to buy this week and putting it in the hatch, all because i dare to be different.

i have seen plenty of semi built "D's" in EG's and EF's keep up with and some even pass B16's and GSR's that were in the same kind of car's. even Tom Hornsbe will tell u his "D" would run with some of the quickest B series car on the street. iv'e seen him out run mustangs when he had his white EF with a "D" in it.

but in the end it all boils down to the good ol saying... TO EACH HIS OWN

Jermaine's car pulled hard to you You are not easily impressed then

You like the powerband of your zc, but don't like b16s A b16 is basically a d-series motor until you hit your crossover point, then it's a out performs any d-series to it's redline of 8200. So wouldn't a b16 powerband be atleast as good, if not better than a d-series.


As for these b16 killers, cool. I would hope a modded d-series could pull atleast a stock b16, but you level the playing field with the same mods, then b16 all day. Plus, Tom been in the game for a min, so I would bet he's a hellva driver to. Most of the time the driver mod is this best mod you can do for you car. For an example, my 1st time at the track I ran a 15.1, cool. My homie, that did my swap ran a 15.1 in my car missing 3rd gear. The driver mod is a bitch isn't it