Quote Originally Posted by NissanTun3r View Post
1) ok cut springs might be equal to cheap springs....OMG lol....seriously cheap is not the way you want to modify suspension....well nvm apparently it is for ppl in this thread....after running a spring strut combo and now having coilovers I can say that coilover offer a much superior ride quality and handling ability than strut/spring combos go whether the springs are cut/heated or not. I think you should ask yourself not the cheapest way to modify a car but the most efficient v. cost effectiveness...

2) how do you knwo the e30 would've comparaed similar with teins springs than cut springs. Did you try both setups on the same car or are you just assuming this for your arguement? How do you know if the spring rates of your cut springs v. the tein basics were the same because I doubt you went as far as to really find out.

3) how do i not know how to use my coilovers properly? I'm sure they were meant to be used in the way I use them....I'm sure I installed them properly....I might not be a suspension guru but I know the basics....I'm sure that when I go on a little road trip and I want my car to ride nice I can raise it and set the ride softer, and I can conversely drop it and make the ride stiffer....
1. I didn't mean cheap as in eBay lowering springs, I meant the cheap springs aka Eibachs, Teins, etc. They all make $200-300 cheap lowering springs that aren't based to performance, they're more of a lower the car to look better and naturally a tad bit stiffer. You can have a very decent cheap suspension setup on a car, when will people realize just because it costs a lot doesn't mean it's better. Obviously a set of Ohlins are better, but for the average driver who doesn't track their car or know much about suspension a nice set of springs/shocks is perfectly fine. I've raped cars in turns with expensive suspension in a car with eBay suspension, so like I've said, if you can't USE that expensive suspension, there is no point in having it.

2. My Miata had Teins on KYB AGX adjustable shocks, the springs were way too soft. I ran eBay coilovers for a short time and played with other things, they were 20x better than the Teins. As for my E30 the red one the springs were already cut by my friend who also cut the ones on my gray E30. The cars sat nice and looked great, but they weren't stiff enough for my driving preference. I'm saying they felt exactly the same as a friends E30 who was using Eibach (whatever the lowest model is most use.) HOWEVER, I was a LOT lower and rode just as smooth. Oh yeah, I had new shocks.

3. Do you track your car? In my opinion coilovers are only good on a track car. Even then not all track cars need them. Spec E30 doesn't even run coilovers they have to run Bilstein shocks and H&R race springs, they lap just as fast as some cars with full coilovers. Spec Miata can't run a true coilover setup either. Coilovers have benefits such as the ability to quickly change spring rates, adjust dampening, etc. Why do you need that on a car that never will see a track? Or even if it did not every weekend.

The point is you're saying cut springs suck, just springs suck, and coilovers are the only win. It's blind of you to say things like that when you don't have much experience. I can think of tons of non coilover setups that kill cheap full coilovers.