DIY on cuting springs?

[RsonGt3's]

Yea if ur lowering a cb7 DO NOT get egay coilovers your shit WILL be bouncy ass fuck

[quickdodge®]

If you don't have any experience with them, then why open your mouth?

That's my point. I have over 20 years experience with heated springs. All hands on, personal experience. No "he said/she said" bullshit. I'll take hands on experience over what someone THINKS they know. Later, QD.

[RL...]

You're making yourself seem stupid. First off, no not everyone would do it, I'm not saying they're BETTER, but I am saying they ARE equal to cheap springs. I'd rather save $200 even if I had the $200 to spend on springs. That's just me. It has nothing to do with being rich or poor. People DO spend money to have name brand parts though, you can't argue there. It is true some people cut springs because they're cheap and have no money for anything else, however some cut them for reasons.

The racing thing I know a lot of people who run eBay coilovers and many pro teams who have experimented with cutting springs. You'd be surprised. Plus not all classes allow full coilovers.

Cut springs DO NOT blow struts or shocks more than a lowering spring, WHY would you think that??? Struts are cheap, coilovers are $1000+ for a DECENT setup. A set of coilover sleeves or really nice springs with adjustable shocks is just as good to most people as a full set of real adjustable coilovers. Why? People like you don't know how to use them correctly and can't drive that well so it doesn't matter WHAT you have it's how you use it. lol

My red E30 didn't handle bad at all with cut springs, the springs are not the only thing on suspension. It was the equivalent of me running some lower end say Tein Basics or something, if the spring rates were the same then not much else mattered.

1) ok cut springs might be equal to cheap springs....OMG lol....seriously cheap is not the way you want to modify suspension....well nvm apparently it is for ppl in this thread....after running a spring strut combo and now having coilovers I can say that coilover offer a much superior ride quality and handling ability than strut/spring combos go whether the springs are cut/heated or not. I think you should ask yourself not the cheapest way to modify a car but the most efficient v. cost effectiveness...

2) how do you knwo the e30 would've comparaed similar with teins springs than cut springs. Did you try both setups on the same car or are you just assuming this for your arguement? How do you know if the spring rates of your cut springs v. the tein basics were the same because I doubt you went as far as to really find out.

3) how do i not know how to use my coilovers properly? I'm sure they were meant to be used in the way I use them....I'm sure I installed them properly....I might not be a suspension guru but I know the basics....I'm sure that when I go on a little road trip and I want my car to ride nice I can raise it and set the ride softer, and I can conversely drop it and make the ride stiffer....

[quickdodge®]

..I might not be a suspension guru but I know the basics...

At least you recognize it. And this is why people should not voice their "knowledge" in subjects they're not knowledgeable in. This is how people get confused and continue the train of spreading untrue "facts." There's nothing wrong in not knowing and there is nothing wrong with coming into a thread and starting off your "knowledge" with "I heard that..." But to come in matter-of-factly stating what you think you know is completely off. Later, QD.

[Elbow]

1) ok cut springs might be equal to cheap springs....OMG lol....seriously cheap is not the way you want to modify suspension....well nvm apparently it is for ppl in this thread....after running a spring strut combo and now having coilovers I can say that coilover offer a much superior ride quality and handling ability than strut/spring combos go whether the springs are cut/heated or not. I think you should ask yourself not the cheapest way to modify a car but the most efficient v. cost effectiveness...

2) how do you knwo the e30 would've comparaed similar with teins springs than cut springs. Did you try both setups on the same car or are you just assuming this for your arguement? How do you know if the spring rates of your cut springs v. the tein basics were the same because I doubt you went as far as to really find out.

3) how do i not know how to use my coilovers properly? I'm sure they were meant to be used in the way I use them....I'm sure I installed them properly....I might not be a suspension guru but I know the basics....I'm sure that when I go on a little road trip and I want my car to ride nice I can raise it and set the ride softer, and I can conversely drop it and make the ride stiffer....

1. I didn't mean cheap as in eBay lowering springs, I meant the cheap springs aka Eibachs, Teins, etc. They all make $200-300 cheap lowering springs that aren't based to performance, they're more of a lower the car to look better and naturally a tad bit stiffer. You can have a very decent cheap suspension setup on a car, when will people realize just because it costs a lot doesn't mean it's better. Obviously a set of Ohlins are better, but for the average driver who doesn't track their car or know much about suspension a nice set of springs/shocks is perfectly fine. I've raped cars in turns with expensive suspension in a car with eBay suspension, so like I've said, if you can't USE that expensive suspension, there is no point in having it.

2. My Miata had Teins on KYB AGX adjustable shocks, the springs were way too soft. I ran eBay coilovers for a short time and played with other things, they were 20x better than the Teins. As for my E30 the red one the springs were already cut by my friend who also cut the ones on my gray E30. The cars sat nice and looked great, but they weren't stiff enough for my driving preference. I'm saying they felt exactly the same as a friends E30 who was using Eibach (whatever the lowest model is most use.) HOWEVER, I was a LOT lower and rode just as smooth. Oh yeah, I had new shocks.

3. Do you track your car? In my opinion coilovers are only good on a track car. Even then not all track cars need them. Spec E30 doesn't even run coilovers they have to run Bilstein shocks and H&R race springs, they lap just as fast as some cars with full coilovers. Spec Miata can't run a true coilover setup either. Coilovers have benefits such as the ability to quickly change spring rates, adjust dampening, etc. Why do you need that on a car that never will see a track? Or even if it did not every weekend.

The point is you're saying cut springs suck, just springs suck, and coilovers are the only win. It's blind of you to say things like that when you don't have much experience. I can think of tons of non coilover setups that kill cheap full coilovers.

[EG_Ryder]

what im getting from this is if you are going to get lowering springs, then get some decent shocks too? am i right lol

That's my point. I have over 20 years experience with heated springs. All hands on, personal experience. No "he said/she said" bullshit. I'll take hands on experience over what someone THINKS they know. Later, QD.

soooooooo, how much do you plan on charging me to heat my springs lol

[Elbow]

what im getting from this is if you are going to get lowering springs, then get some decent shocks too? am i right lol



soooooooo, how much do you plan on charging me to heat my springs lol

Cutting > heating.

Just saying.

[quickdodge®]

soooooooo, how much do you plan on charging me to heat my springs lol

Lolol. I quit lowering other people's cars long ago. Too much BS going around for me to mess up someone's car and them try to get me for it.

Cutting > heating.

Just saying.

You just said it wrong, simon, lolol. Later, QD.

[Catnip]

Lolol. I quit lowering other people's cars long ago. Too much BS going around for me to mess up someone's car and them try to get me for it.



You just said it wrong, simon, lolol. Later, QD.

Make him sign a waiver saying you're no responsible for ANY problems

and lolol, even though I'd rather cut the springs.

@ the arguement. On my civic, I had stock shocks/struts in great shape and skunk2 springs, then went to cut skunk2 springs on tokico illuminas. The ride is a lot stiffer and handles 10x better. I'm very happy.

[driftyboy]

Love how many people still bash on cut springs.

Cut / Heat are both probably equally bad if you do not know what you're doing. It's not really fair to say "Ya I've been heating springs for 10 years, it's much better than cutting' when I've seen Chip Foose cut springs on his TV show.

As far as being on topic, I dont know if a DIY exists as I'm not into hondas, but I'm sure you'll need a spring compressor.

[quickdodge®]

It's not really fair to say "Ya I've been heating springs for 10 years, it's much better than cutting' when I've seen Chip Foose cut springs on his TV show.

It's fair enough to me. Later, QD.

[allmotorEJ8]

I wouldn't use a tv show to determine which is better, but that's just me. I've seen some really stupid things done on tv.

[Delsllow]

Love how many people still bash on cut springs.

Cut / Heat are both probably equally bad if you do not know what you're doing. It's not really fair to say "Ya I've been heating springs for 10 years, it's much better than cutting' when I've seen Chip Foose cut springs on his TV show.

As far as being on topic, I dont know if a DIY exists as I'm not into hondas, but I'm sure you'll need a spring compressor.

Nahhh just shoot that sh!t off and hope you can find the parts after lol


cut > ebay

My civic rode great with 2.5 coils cut on front and 3 coils off the back

[SKUNK2GUY]

measure how low of a drop you want while the spring is compressed and mark it then take the spring off and cut on the mark

[Elbow]

measure how low of a drop you want while the spring is compressed and mark it then take the spring off and cut on the mark

No.

[SKUNK2GUY]

No.

actually yea ive done it a million times on mine and other peoples cars i wouldnt recomend cutting springs but if its just like an inch or inch and a half than its fine if your broke.

[809KiNg]

someone should pass thru and do them for me FF =) i dont wanna fuck up

[809KiNg]

can it be heated with one of these?:


do i have to jack the car up or turn the wheel so i cant heat the speings?

[Elbow]

Cutting > heating.

[quickdodge®]

can it be heated with one of these?:


do i have to jack the car up or turn the wheel so i cant heat the speings?

That's what I use.

And NO! You do not jack the car up because you need the weight of the car to help compress the springs as they are heated. And yes, you'll need to turn the wheels so that you have easier access and more space to work with in the wheel well. Once the car starts getting lower, you'll run out of room so turning the wheel will allow for a bit more room. Later, QD.

[809KiNg]

That's what I use.

And NO! You do not jack the car up because you need the weight of the car to help compress the springs as they are heated. And yes, you'll need to turn the wheels so that you have easier access and more space to work with in the wheel well. Once the car starts getting lower, you'll run out of room so turning the wheel will allow for a bit more room. Later, QD.

one more question, do i heat from the middle, top, bottom or all of the above?

[quickdodge®]

I always start at the top. Only real reason being that since it's way up in there and once you start lowering, you won't be able to get the torch up in there due to lack of room. Later, QD.

[809KiNg]

thanks alot, ill be doing this tomorrow morning

[95droppedhatch]

ive been cutting springs on beater cars that i buy and sell and they all ride great as long as you dont have blown struts thats when they ride shitty

[quickdodge®]

thanks alot, ill be doing this tomorrow morning

I wonder how this turned out, lolol. Later, QD.

[Cameron.]

LOLOL

[809KiNg]

i havent done it yet.. since i cant drive and dont have enough time because of skool, ill do it this weekend. i have extra stock springs just in case

[Sinfix_15]

I've cut a lot of mustang springs. I'd say about 90% of the foxbody mustangs you will ever see that dont have coilovers have cut springs. For this particular application you cant tell a difference when done right. just clip a 1/2 a coil at a time, use a cutting wheel, dont leave any rough edges and replace your rubber cups. It's pretty common in the domestic world, at least for cars going in a straight line.

[Elbow]

It's not that uncommon in other worlds either, just clueless fanboy kids bash it because of lack of knowledge.

[quickdodge®]

It's not that uncommon in other worlds either, just clueless fanboy kids bash it because of lack of knowledge.

Exactly. And their "knowledge" typically comes from other fanboys that have no knowledge as well. Everyone always says "well I heard..." Fuck what you heard. Find someone that's actually done it, talk to them, learn how to do it properly and go from there. Later, QD.

[Turbodude06]

It's not that uncommon in other worlds either, just clueless fanboy kids bash it because of lack of knowledge.

^ Thank u... I love people who have no idea what they are talking about, I've had both cut and tourched springs, they both ride much better then the cheap ass coil overs and better then most aftermarket springs. I personally love cut springs, but the heated one's are much easier to do cause you don't have to take nothing off the car lol....

[809KiNg]

how long is it suppose to take to heat up??? i was heating a spring nd nothing happen... should i clean the dirt first??

[Elbow]

how long is it suppose to take to heat up??? i was heating a spring nd nothing happen... should i clean the dirt first??

No, you should take them off and cut them.

[Me86Rob]

I wouldnt heat them. If you dont do it perfectly, the ride is utter garbage.

[quickdodge®]

how long is it suppose to take to heat up??? i was heating a spring nd nothing happen... should i clean the dirt first??

It takes a little bit to get them started. Maybe 10 minutes. After you get the first coil going, the rest usually take about half the time. I can have a car lowered in about half an hour or so. Later, QD.

[DeeAOne]

im a pro-cut person...simply because i have no experience with heating. take your time and cut even, and it rides just fine.

i had ebay coilovers in the front with cut springs in the back at one point, the rear was much smoother.