I'm Sure You All Heard...(Audi Petit)

[dazn]

uh, you have me wrong. I didn't think he had a competition license, i've never seen or heard of anything more than Solo II, PDX, or HPDE...

thats my bad, must have misunderstood your post, sorry. been an extremely long week at Mosport....

and MattAPM....
you come off as another wannabe retard racer too. so prove me wrong. show me a list of these so called scca racers that have only done a few scca races that have gotten a FIA liscence and have successfully run a major FIA event. racing is all about money. you can pay your way into anything.
call me a fucking idiot? better be ready to back it up.
talk to anyone in the real racing world, SCCA cub racing is not well represented. so fuck off and go back to your little world that you live in where SCCA is hot shit. no one was talking to you anyways.


simon, re-read my last post. it says, NOT EVERYONE IN SCCA IS TALENTLESS. BUT THE MAJORITY ARE. IF YOU RACE IN SCCA, THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS. I know a few people in SCCA who are great drivers, but where is it going to take them?
club racing is not where you go to make a career out of racing. Club racing is for fun. What I said is NOT ignorant. it is the truth. if you want to make a career out of racing, then SCCA should not be part of your ladder system, unless you want to race WC or GA ST,which to me, doesnt count as pro-racing. it does offer you a place to start racing. but honestly, where do you think it will take you in the long run?


who says I am advertising West? I am purely speaking my own opinion. we are allowed our own opinions right? Do you advertise all the cross dressers in the world because you dressed up as a girl? so go ahead, send it to my boss if you want. my work speaks for itself. Im not worried at all by your "threats." and this isnt arrogance speaking, its merely confidence in my abilities. I know my work is top notch. otherwise, I wouldnt have teams calling me to engineer and crew chief for them. so dont take it the wrong way.
besides,advertising West in IA? yea, thats gonna get anyone anywhere.
most people dont even know the competition sub-forum even exists. im only here because ej provides us with awesome posts about racing.
West is involved in National level SCCA racing to prove that the West is just as good or better as the Stohr WF1. There is absolutely a good market for selling cars and supporting drivers in SCCA, but that is not the only goal.


if you take offense to my posts, then harden the fuck up. its IA for god sakes. to me, it just shows your own insecurities.
like I said, prove me wrong. i welcome it.

but...if your gonna sincerely apologize for your negative comments towards me, then I accept your apology and offer my own for ragging on you. no need for hatred in the racing world, its a small world as it is, and it only keeps dwindling.

[AFSil80]

Been busy, huh Daniel? Haha.

[dazn]

Been busy, huh Daniel? Haha.

lol, yeah, ive been up way too late the last couple of nights going over data. its been a arduous week at Mosport as always, this track hates me. Ive been recruited by a brand new team and Ive been running the show. which means 3x the amount of work as normal and 1/3 the amount of sleep trying to get everyone else up to speed. lots of little mistakes that Ive been having to correct. lost some good track time because of some carelessness even though Ive been riding everyone's ass about attention to detail. some people just dont listen and comprehend well.

[Elbow]

thats my bad, must have misunderstood your post, sorry. been an extremely long week at Mosport....

and MattAPM....
you come off as another wannabe retard racer too. so prove me wrong. show me a list of these so called scca racers that have only done a few scca races that have gotten a FIA liscence and have successfully run a major FIA event. racing is all about money. you can pay your way into anything.
call me a fucking idiot? better be ready to back it up.
talk to anyone in the real racing world, SCCA cub racing is not well represented. so fuck off and go back to your little world that you live in where SCCA is hot shit. no one was talking to you anyways.


simon, re-read my last post. it says, NOT EVERYONE IN SCCA IS TALENTLESS. BUT THE MAJORITY ARE. IF YOU RACE IN SCCA, THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS. I know a few people in SCCA who are great drivers, but where is it going to take them?
club racing is not where you go to make a career out of racing. Club racing is for fun. What I said is NOT ignorant. it is the truth. if you want to make a career out of racing, then SCCA should not be part of your ladder system, unless you want to race WC or GA ST,which to me, doesnt count as pro-racing. it does offer you a place to start racing. but honestly, where do you think it will take you in the long run?


who says I am advertising West? I am purely speaking my own opinion. we are allowed our own opinions right? Do you advertise all the cross dressers in the world because you dressed up as a girl? so go ahead, send it to my boss if you want. my work speaks for itself. Im not worried at all by your "threats." and this isnt arrogance speaking, its merely confidence in my abilities. I know my work is top notch. otherwise, I wouldnt have teams calling me to engineer and crew chief for them. so dont take it the wrong way.
besides,advertising West in IA? yea, thats gonna get anyone anywhere.
most people dont even know the competition sub-forum even exists. im only here because ej provides us with awesome posts about racing.
West is involved in National level SCCA racing to prove that the West is just as good or better as the Stohr WF1. There is absolutely a good market for selling cars and supporting drivers in SCCA, but that is not the only goal.


if you take offense to my posts, then harden the fuck up. its IA for god sakes. to me, it just shows your own insecurities.
like I said, prove me wrong. i welcome it.

but...if your gonna sincerely apologize for your negative comments towards me, then I accept your apology and offer my own for ragging on you. no need for hatred in the racing world, its a small world as it is, and it only keeps dwindling.

Apology accepted, but I don't think I am some pro race car driver, I won't sit here and say I've run this and that. I said SCCA club racing won't get you anywhere, that's what I meant about my ITC comment. I would be happy in a touring car series, it's not hard to branch from that to GT something. I've had tons of great offers to drive in some great series, BUT, like you said, it's all about money. I don't have 150k to go run GT4 in Europe.

Like I also said though, running NASA and SCCA FOR ME is track time, nothing wrong with that. My ladder has never included SCCA or NASA as a way to get anywhere.

There is a lot of crappy drivers in SCCA, as there is in any racing where there are people doing it for fun, I see shitty drivers in IMSA Lites too. Money doesn't make skill.

[speedminded]

Apology accepted, but I don't think I am some pro race car driver, I won't sit here and say I've run this and that. I said SCCA club racing won't get you anywhere, that's what I meant about my ITC comment. I would be happy in a touring car series, it's not hard to branch from that to GT something. I've had tons of great offers to drive in some great series, BUT, like you said, it's all about money. I don't have 150k to go run GT4 in Europe.

Like I also said though, running NASA and SCCA FOR ME is track time, nothing wrong with that. My ladder has never included SCCA or NASA as a way to get anywhere.

There is a lot of crappy drivers in SCCA, as there is in any racing where there are people doing it for fun, I see shitty drivers in IMSA Lites too. Money doesn't make skill.

Longest useful post of the year award goes to...me. Everyone needs to quit making up excuses, if you're good you'll get noticed and you will be a successful as a driver, it doesn't matter what organization you start in. There's Le Mans drivers that went straight in from karting, others took years...

http://www.randypobst.com

Randy Pobst (Buford, Ga) had the following to say in a recent interview with Mark DeCotis of Florida Today:

"I was introduced to racing when I read an ad that said 'Race your own car. Anybody can do it, $5.' It was for a sports car event called auto cross. It was in Satellite Beach, behind the shopping center right next to Satellite High. It was in the parking lot, you run one car at a time. Kind of like a slalom ski course, but with a car. I knew I loved it from the first moment. I was good at it."

For Randy, autocrossing allowed him to make a name for himself in SCCA circles as he won six Solo titles from 1983 until 1987. In addition to making a name for himself, the autocrossing skills he learned in autocrossing served him well as he moved into the IMSA Firestone Firehawk Series in the late 80's.

After owning his own team for a while, and even winning as a team owner / driver, Randy teamed up with T.C. Kline Racing. Honda of America had taken interest in the Firestone Firehawk Series. Seeing the marketing potential of the series the manufacturer partnered with T.C. Kline Racing to become the most successful brand in the Firehawk Series. In addition to securing Kline's team, Honda also took an interest in Randy as a driver.

Honda teamed Randy up with street stock legend Peter Schwartzott and the two co-drivers wrote themselves into the history books.

Randy Pobst's professional career took a major leap forward in 1990 when he won his first professional championship. Driving a T.C. Kline Racing prepared Honda CR-X, Randy won the IMSA Firestone Firehawk Touring Championship with Peter Schwartzott as his co-driver.

"The street stock series have a very high level of competition and driving at the front," commented Pobst recently as he looked back at his early days of pro racing. "I have seen some guys come out of Street stock racing who are among the very best, like Andy Pilgrim. I love that kind of racing very much. I did it for years and it doesn't get much respect, maybe because the cars aren't (as) expensive."

Pobst quickly followed 1990 Championship with another one in 1992, again in the Touring Class. Pobst was quickly becoming known as a front wheel drive specialist. As was the difficulty when Randy was making the jump from Solo to Professional racing, teams looked at Randy as a front wheel drive specialist and opportunities for advancement into the GT classes didn't materialize as quickly as they perhaps should have.

While Randy was working his way through the professional ranks, he also campaigned in the SCCA Valvoline National Runoffs. In 1992, the same year he won his second pro title, Randy also took home his first SCCA National Runoffs title. Randy drove a Mazda Miata to the SSC victory. Pobst quickly backed up his 1992 title with a victory in the SSA class in 1995 with a BMW.

After his 1992 title, Randy spent the 1993 and 1994 seasons supporting two different T.C. Kline Racing drivers to Championships. In 1993 Pobst and Peter Schwartzott shared a car throughout much of the season. Schwartzott won the title by himself because Randy and he were in seperate cars in the final race of the year. In 1994 Randy co-drove with David Daugherty as Daugherty won the '94 title. Two years in a row Randy almost won the Championship but only lost it to his co-driver based on circumstance.

With two professional titles and two amateur titles, Randy's career took another giant leap forward in 1996 when T.C. Kline entered into the brand new, high tech North American Touring Car Championship.

The 1995 season was a transition year for Randy. By many standards a very successful year, the 1995 season was spent proving his abilities as a driver of high horsepower rear wheel drive machines. TC Kline Racing moved into the Bridgestone Super Car Series (a series almost identical to the current Speed World Challenge GT Series). Kline took Pobst with him and Randy proved that decision wise with five podium finishes. Randy's solo professional win from the 1995 season came from a one off ride in a Honda Prelude at Watkins Glen in the IMSA Street Stock Series.

The 1996 season was a critical season in the career of Pobst. Kline moved from the Supercar Series to the North American Touring Car Championship. The new series was high profile with manufacturer support and very strong competition. With Honda support Pobst took the Championship with five wins and five poles. The Championship convinced Kline to invite Pobst back as lead driver in the 1997 North American Touring Car series as they campaigned a McLaren built BMW.

In 1997 T.C. Kline Racing once again entered in the North American Touring Car Championship. With Randy Pobst as their lead driver the team decided to switch from the Neuspeed Honda Accord to a McLaren built BMW. With increased support from Manufacturers the T.C. Kline effort would not be able to compete with the large dollars being spent by Dodge and a factory effort by Honda.

With so much factory money in the class the best that Randy could do was to win the Independent's Championship; a Championship inside a Championship in which only non factory supported teams were eligible to score points. Outside of the Touring Car deal Randy continued to pick up one off rides at various races around the country. While driving for The Racer's Group Pobst set the fastest GT Class race lap during the Sebring 12 Hours. If Randy were to accomplish that in the present, it would be expected. At that time The Racer's Group was just being formed and Randy had not driven many Porsches. Randy's sole professional win in 1997 came at the wheel of the Snipes Motorsports Ford Mustang in the IMSA Endurance Championship at Road Atlanta. This was just more evidence that Pobst could jump in any type of machine and make it go fast.

For the first time in many years the 1998 season saw Randy without a full time ride. While it seemed like a curse at the time, that season without a full time ride allowed Randy to pick up many one off rides that he otherwise wouldn't have been available to accept. The one race that proved pivotal in his career happened at Watkins Glen as a part of the USRRC (United State Road Racing Championship).

Alex Job Racing, a well respected Porsche team, was running for the GT class championship in the USRRC. The team had a spare car that they asked Pobst to start during the race at Watkins Glen. Pobst's walking orders were to go out and drive the car around the track for a couple of hours in case something happened to the team's primary vehicle. After Randy's two hour stint the Porsche he was driving had a lap lead over the entire GT Class field. In what was to be a one off ride, Randy had blistered the field and secured a lap lead on the entire GT class.

Now Alex Job was in a perdicament. They had planned on parking the car after a couple of hours and had no plans for a co-driver for Randy. With the car in the lead Job had little choice but to find someone to finish the car for Pobst. Walking up and down pit lane with helmet in hand was Terry Borcheller. At the time Borcheller was not an established driver like he is today, but the team needed someone to drive the car to the win. Borcheller was put in the car and Pobst's one lap lead held to the end. Randy had turned a one off ride that was supposed to be parked after two hours into a victory!

Also during the 1998 season Randy scored two wins in the Motorola Cup driving a Toyota Supra Turbo and a VW Golf. At the end of the season Randy got the unique opportunity to drive a Vector in the GT2 class of the Petit Le Mans.

For the 1999 season Randy drove the majority of the ALMS season with Alex Job Racing. Impressed by his drive at Watkins Glen in 1998 the team was further impressed when he scored pole positions for the team at both the Sebring 12 Hours and the Petit Le Mans. Pobst scored a handful of professional podiums during the 1999 season but failed to score a professional victory.

Despite not winning a race in 1999, Pobst's career took a major leap forward in the year 2000 when Alex Job Racing signed Randy to a full time ride.

fter a successful 1999 season with the team that saw him score pole positions at the two major American Le Mans Series (ALMS) races; Alex and Holly Job (team owners of Alex Job Racing) were impressed enough with Randy to secure him with a full season contract. The combination of Randy and Alex Job Racing was a potent combination. Pobst took two wins and finished fifth in the ALMS GT points standings.

At the end of the 2000 season there was little doubt that Randy had proved himself a valuable commodity in the Alex Job Racing Porsches. Porsche took notice and signed Pobst to a factory contract for the 2001 season. Being awarded a factory contract is what drivers work for their entire careers. In sportscar racing it is a real mark of distinction to land the title of Porsche factory driver. Very few Americans have landed factory rides with Porsche, adding to the distinction.

Porsche's first assignment for Randy was to campaign the Petersen Motorsports Porsche GT3-R at the Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona. Not only did Randy win the GT class but the team scored a second place finish overall!

After the 24 Hours was over, Porsche put Randy to work once again driving the Alex Job Racing Porsche GT3 R in the ALMS. The team was up against a stiff challenge as BMW was supporting a factory backed effort the same year. Porsche was overpowered by the V8 BMW's and scoring victories against the BMW's were practically impossible. Randy still scored three seconds and a third place finish in the tough ALMS competition.

Throughout the 2001 season, Randy found himself driving the Fordahl Motorsports Porsche at selected Grand Am Rolex Series races that were not in conflict with his ALMS duties. Randy scored two more wins that season co-driving with Kim Hiskey.

The 2002 season once again saw Randy winning in a Porsche; but this time it was in the Speed World Challenge GT Series. A rookie team to the series, 3R-Racing, signed Randy to drive their Porsche GT3 Cup in the last seven events of the season. Randy jumped into the series with a vengeance scoring four wins and five poles in those seven races.

In addition to his World Challenge success Randy raced Porsches in four seperate professional racing series. His results secured him a fourth place finish in the world-wide Porsche Cup Championship.

The 2003 season saw Pobst secure another ride with a German factory effort, this time it wasn't Porsche though.

he 2003 season saw Pobst secure another ride with a German factory effort. This time it wasn't Porsche though. Audi was supporting the Champion Racing effort in World Challenge GT and with Michael Galati at the driver's seat the team had taken two consecutive Championships. When Randy took home four wins in seven races driving a Porsche during the 2002 Speed World Challenge GT Series, Audi took notice.

Realizing the talent of Randy, Audi him to drive their brand new Audi RS-6s during the 2003 GT season. Proving it was the right move, Randy won two races on the way to securing the 2003 Speed World Challenge GT Driver's Championship. Galati, a longtime competitor's of Randy, now had become his teammate as the two worked to score Audi's third Manufacturer's Championship in the World Challenge GT class.

Before Randy got started with the factory Audi effort at Sebring in March he first drove in the Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona. Because of his long time relationship with Porsche and Alex Job Racing, Randy was chosen as a driver in the FABCAR-Porsche Daytona Prototype (Alex Job Racing's crew was serving as the at track crew for one of the team's two entries). Pobst had never really gotten a chance to prove himself in the Prototype class, but as he always has in his career he delivered the results needed. Randy led the race overall and his car may have won overall had it not been for an uncharacteristic Porsche engine failure.

When Randy isn't busy with his Audi factory obligations, he will be driving a Team Turbo Performance Center Porsche in the Grand Am Cup. 2003 started well with an early win at Homestead co-driving with Michael Levitas in the GSI Class, followed by several more.

In 2004, Randy again had the Audi factory contract, winning the Lime Rock race in the revised Audi RS6 Competition, and finishing a credible fourth in the Driver's Championship. Along with teammate Galati and Champion Racing, they again scored for Audi the Manufacturer's Championship.

Randy drove also, and again, with good friend and team owner Michael Levitas in the TPC Racing #36 Porsche in the GT class of the Rolex GT Championship, scoring several wins including a great one at the Mt Tremblant Six-Hour in Quebec.

In 2005, Randy was picked up by old friends Steve Sanders and Craig Nagler at Mazda for their factory sponsored team, Tri-Point Motorsports, in Speed Touring Cars, and continued with TPC Racing and Michael Levitas in Grand American Road Racing competition.

Back in a Mazda 6 after winning a national Championship in a Miata a few years ago, Randy won two races from four poles and finished second in the Speed Touring Car Championship!

With TPC and Levitas in the #36 Porsche 911 GT3 Cup, Randy made the podium time and again.

For 2006, the lineups are the same. Mazda's Tri-Point Motorsports Mazda 6 in Speed Touring Cars, and #36 with Michael Levitas and TPC Racing.

2006 started with a tremendous 'Bang', the good kind, as Randy and the TPC Racing #36 won at the world-renowned Rolex 24 Hour at Daytona! Co-driving were Michael Levitas, Spencer Pumpelly, and last years Alex Job #24 Porsche teammate, Ian Baas. It was a great team effort in prep, pit, and pace.

Randy returned to the TPC Porsche two more times with a strong finish at VIR. Randy also drove for Bob Miller in the At Speed Motorsports Porsche #23 in the Grand Am Rolex series with a victory at Road Atlanta, the closest finish in Grand Am history to date.

Randy continued with the Tri-Point Motorsports Mazda 6 in Speed Touring with wins at St Pete, Denver and Road Atlanta and top five's at most of the other tracks. Randy finished a close second in the championship with Mazda winning the Manufacturers' Championship.

2007 would prove to be a very good year for Randy who returned to Mazda and Tri-Point Engineering in the #73 Mazda 6 with two wins and several top 5s...

[Elbow]

That's not entirely true. There just aren't the people to notice you at club races. Guys that win every single race don't go pro, I've known guys who would DOMINATE. It's pure luck to go from club racing and be noticed by a pro team.

Like I said, I've had offers to race with bigger teams, but that takes money, if that's what you mean sure, but to just get in and be paid, def. not. I am a big fan of Randy Pobst and know his history as I look up to him for that, I'm not rich, and have no backing other then some local help and my own wallet. It takes more then talent to be big in the racing world.

[Echonova]

I am the best driver I have ever seen.


All this talent and good looks are going to waste...

[Elbow]

I am the best driver I have ever seen.


All this talent and good looks are going to waste...

I've seen you in action, that day to Watsons Mill.

[Echonova]

I've seen you in action, that day to Watsons Mill.

I must say I was impressed with your one hand on the wheel, one on the cell phone while drifting around a corner with traffic and hanging one wheel in the dirt maneuver. I was sooooooo lost that day. How long did it take us to get there?

[nreggie454]

My dad has been autocrossing since the 70s and has known Randy Pobst for almost as long. Always gets excited when he sees Randy Pobst racing and tells me every time about how he beat him in such and such autocross way back when LOL.

[EJ25RUN]

Can't really contribute to this thread. :/

[Elbow]

I must say I was impressed with your one hand on the wheel, one on the cell phone while drifting around a corner with traffic and hanging one wheel in the dirt maneuver. I was sooooooo lost that day. How long did it take us to get there?

LOL good times. It took us what seemed two hours to get 20 miles away. Thanks Ian!

[Echonova]

LOL good times. It took us what seemed two hours to get 20 miles away. Thanks Ian!

No doubt. I swear at one point I passed myself going the other way...

[speedminded]

That's not entirely true. There just aren't the people to notice you at club races. Guys that win every single race don't go pro, I've known guys who would DOMINATE. It's pure luck to go from club racing and be noticed by a pro team.

Like I said, I've had offers to race with bigger teams, but that takes money, if that's what you mean sure, but to just get in and be paid, def. not. I am a big fan of Randy Pobst and know his history as I look up to him for that, I'm not rich, and have no backing other then some local help and my own wallet. It takes more then talent to be big in the racing world.

It's no different than high school sports. You can be the best player on your team, have stats that dominate all the opponents on other teams in the region, yet still never get a chance to go further. I had the most goals scored on my team the last year I was able to play soccer, without my coach calling up the Clemson scouts do you actually think they would have noticed me or came down to see me play and make me an offer? Having weekly articles describing game results in the local newspaper(s), even with a circulation of 26,000 daily, is still not going to get you noticed by top universities in neighboring states. You have to inform them of your abilities, forcing them to recognize you. Same goes with driving.

If you want to pursue a professional driving career money is definitely a factor, the more money you have the more events and experience you're able to get. Unfortunantely that experience doesn't always get you noticed unless you make them aware of you. It's ALL about networking, who you know, and how well you can sell yourself. You can be a great driver but if a team owner doesn't like your character then there is no chance they are going to hire you to drive, simple as that. The same can go the other way as well, you may not be the best driver but if they see potential and like your attitude and motivation then they may work with you and assist in honing your skills. Again, it's all about who you know.

Then of course you have the teams that sell seat time because they couldn't do it otherwise. I personally know people that have spent up to $250k for their share of the contract for a 24 hr Rolex team...

[Echonova]

It's no different than high school sports. You can be the best player on your team, have stats that dominate all the opponents on other teams in the region, yet still never get a chance to go further. I had the most goals scored on my team the last year I was able to play soccer, without my coach calling up the Clemson scouts do you actually think they would have noticed me or came down to see me play and make me an offer? Having weekly articles describing game results in the local newspaper(s), even with a circulation of 26,000 daily, is still not going to get you noticed by top universities in neighboring states. You have to inform them of your abilities, forcing them to recognize you. Same goes with driving.

If you want to pursue a professional driving career money is definitely a factor, the more money you have the more events and experience you're able to get. Unfortunantely that experience doesn't always get you noticed unless you make them aware of you. It's ALL about networking, who you know, and how well you can sell yourself. You can be a great driver but if a team owner doesn't like your character then there is no chance they are going to hire you to drive, simple as that. The same can go the other way as well, you may not be the best driver but if they see potential and like your attitude and motivation then they may work with you and assist in honing your skills. Again, it's all about who you know.

Then of course you have the teams that sell seat time because they couldn't do it otherwise. I personally know people that have spent up to $250k for their share of the contract for a 24 hr Rolex team...

[dazn]

dammit,I dont check this for one day and this thread got all nice. lets stir the pot some more .

Hey EJ, how is Daytona so far?

[EJ25RUN]

dammit,I dont check this for one day and this thread got all nice. lets stir the pot some more .

Hey EJ, how is Daytona so far?

I like it so far. Not really homesick.

On Sat and Sun you can hear the Nascar school on campus which is a strange feeling.

Are there any go kart tracks around here like Andretti Speed lab?

[speedminded]

I like it so far. Not really homesick.

On Sat and Sun you can hear the Nascar school on campus which is a strange feeling.

Are there any go kart tracks around here like Andretti Speed lab?

Doesn't appear to be anything like Andretti there...
http://www.daytonabeach.com/whattosee.cfm/mode/fun

Go-Karts
http://www.daytonalagoon.com
http://www.speedparkdaytona.com/

[Tracy]

I think we are camping.

The Audi's are the illest cars on earth. The only sound they make is the turbo spooling!

[dazn]

I think we are camping.

The Audi's are the illest cars on earth. The only sound they make is the turbo spooling!

you guys are coming to petit?
come see me in the pro paddock

[speedminded]

I have discounted tickets for those that want them...

[Elbow]

No doubt. I swear at one point I passed myself going the other way...

LOLOL

[matthewAPM]

and MattAPM....
you come off as another wannabe retard racer too. so prove me wrong. show me a list of these so called scca racers that have only done a few scca races that have gotten a FIA liscence and have successfully run a major FIA event. racing is all about money. you can pay your way into anything.
call me a fucking idiot? better be ready to back it up.
talk to anyone in the real racing world, SCCA cub racing is not well represented. so fuck off and go back to your little world that you live in where SCCA is hot shit. no one was talking to you anyways.


simon, re-read my last post. it says, NOT EVERYONE IN SCCA IS TALENTLESS. BUT THE MAJORITY ARE. IF YOU RACE IN SCCA, THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS. I know a few people in SCCA who are great drivers, but where is it going to take them?
club racing is not where you go to make a career out of racing. Club racing is for fun. What I said is NOT ignorant. it is the truth. if you want to make a career out of racing, then SCCA should not be part of your ladder system, unless you want to race WC or GA ST,which to me, doesnt count as pro-racing. it does offer you a place to start racing. but honestly, where do you think it will take you in the long run?

There is a long list of guys who only ran a few SCCA events to get there FIA license. And no, they dont pay to race, they get paid.

Never said SCCA is hot shit, but I wouldnt say IMSA Lites is anything special either. Yall are support races...

People dont go club racing just because its fun, tho many do, some club race to qualify to get there FIA or SCCA pro license. Everyone has to start somewhere. No matter how rich you are, you can't go run at LeMans without some kind of racing experience.

I also think its funny you say SWC and GA ST isnt real racing. Randy Pobst runs both, and he is one of the best US TC drivers around.

Anyways, sorry for the additude!

[dazn]

There is a long list of guys who only ran a few SCCA events to get there FIA license. And no, they dont pay to race, they get paid.

show me said list and history of driver accomplishments
Never said SCCA is hot shit, but I wouldnt say IMSA Lites is anything special either. Yall are support races...
who ever said IMSA Lites was hot shit? yes we are support races, so is SWC, GA KC, FA, FBMW, FM, and tons of others. besides, thats only part of what I do. and WTF is YALL??? English please.


People dont go club racing just because its fun, tho many do, some club race to qualify to get there FIA or SCCA pro license. Everyone has to start somewhere. No matter how rich you are, you can't go run at LeMans without some kind of racing experience.
ok, ill give you part of that. some club race to get their SCCA pro liscence, fine. but to me, WC is pretty much Club racing. just like IMSA lites is pretty much club racing.
I also think its funny you say SWC and GA ST isnt real racing. Randy Pobst runs both, and he is one of the best US TC drivers around.

did I say SWC and ST were not real racing? they are on track going wheel to wheel with each other right? its racing. just not "Pro-racing."
seriously, did you guys take reading comprehension in school? I know its Georgia and people are a bit slow here, but DAMN. lol
so RandyPobst is god of all racing then? trust me, I know Randy, he is an extremely gifted driver, but ask him what he would rather be driving, ST or P-cars? he was never really given a real good chance to prove himself in a p-car, but you bet your ass you would rather be doing that instead. He will take what he can get to put food on the table and gas in this bikes.

Anyways, sorry for the additude!

Yea! you better be! j/k. see this is more fun.

[matthewAPM]

Yea! you better be! j/k. see this is more fun.

SWC is pro racing...hints the reason you need a pro license??

So what IS pro racing? Where do you draw the line between "club racing" and "pro racing"? Is it at touring cars? Because that seems to be what you think is not "pro". So what do you call BTCC and WTCC drivers? A bunch of club racers?

and if we wanna play that game...

...that have gotten a FIA liscence and have....

Well looks like some of us can't spell either.

[dazn]

SWC is pro racing...hints the reason you need a pro license??

So what IS pro racing? Where do you draw the line between "club racing" and "pro racing"? Is it at touring cars? Because that seems to be what you think is not "pro". So what do you call BTCC and WTCC drivers? A bunch of club racers?

and if we wanna play that game...


Well looks like some of us can't spell either.

I would consider rolex GT to be "pro." or ALMS gt, or other series like that. Speed world challenge is a great series, I love it, Ive been a huge fan of it for years, Ive worked it for several years too. But, i just dont consider it to be a true pro series. those guys have amazing talent, but it stil doesnt do it for me. id consider it semi-pro, like KC.
the type of car has nothing to do with what is pro and what isnt.
I dont know the BTCC and WTCC well enough to make my own personal judgment on it. which is what all this is, personal judgment. But I will say that as far as I know, I would consider DTM and Aussi V8 to be pro.

let me ask you this, do you think Ken Block is good driver?
lately, that has been my benchmark, lol. if you think Ken Block is cool, then you pretty much lose my respect as far as racing goes. lol.


and its not the spelling. its the word YALL. I mean seriously. Yall? oh and my bad for not feeling like going back to correct my spelling on one word on the interweb because I think some super cool dude is gonna correct me.

and before you even say it, which I think you probably will, I dont think Im some super cool dude either. in fact, I think Im an asshole with a hatred problem.

[matthewAPM]

I would consider rolex GT to be "pro." or ALMS gt, or other series like that. Speed world challenge is a great series, I love it, Ive been a huge fan of it for years, Ive worked it for several years too. But, i just dont consider it to be a true pro series. those guys have amazing talent, but it stil doesnt do it for me. id consider it semi-pro, like KC.
the type of car has nothing to do with what is pro and what isnt.
I dont know the BTCC and WTCC well enough to make my own personal judgment on it. which is what all this is, personal judgment. But I will say that as far as I know, I would consider DTM and Aussi V8 to be pro.

let me ask you this, do you think Ken Block is good driver?
lately, that has been my benchmark, lol. if you think Ken Block is cool, then you pretty much loose my respect as far as racing goes. lol.


and its not the spelling. its the word YALL. I mean seriously. Yall? oh and my bad for not feeling like going back to correct my spelling on one word on the interweb because I think some super cool dude is gonna correct me.

To me KC is a stepping stone. Its a great place to get your feet wet in a pro racing environment, without the pro cost. I personal love to watch the KC series as some of the best TC drivers run there witch makes for some close racing. I am also a huge fan of endurance racing. SWC IMO is more of a "pro' series than KC.

To tell you the truth, I am not to impressed with his driving. Its a lot of car and amazing video editing. Yeah, he can drive a car pretty well, but I would like to see him in a GT car.

and yeah, yall. haha. im not a "redneck" or anything so not to sure why that came out.

[speedminded]

I would consider rolex GT to be "pro." or ALMS gt, or other series like that. Speed world challenge is a great series, I love it, Ive been a huge fan of it for years, Ive worked it for several years too. But, i just dont consider it to be a true pro series. those guys have amazing talent, but it stil doesnt do it for me. id consider it semi-pro, like KC.
the type of car has nothing to do with what is pro and what isnt.
I dont know the BTCC and WTCC well enough to make my own personal judgment on it. which is what all this is, personal judgment. But I will say that as far as I know, I would consider DTM and Aussi V8 to be pro.

let me ask you this, do you think Ken Block is good driver?
lately, that has been my benchmark, lol. if you think Ken Block is cool, then you pretty much lose my respect as far as racing goes. lol.


and its not the spelling. its the word YALL. I mean seriously. Yall? oh and my bad for not feeling like going back to correct my spelling on one word on the interweb because I think some super cool dude is gonna correct me.

and before you even say it, which I think you probably will, I dont think Im some super cool dude either. in fact, I think Im an asshole with a hatred problem.

This goes back to my post where I said a majority is based on your character and who you know, not just your driving abilities. Ken Block never finished better than 3rd before becoming part of Team Subaru, still respectable finishes for a rookie. It's his charisma and motivation to push things with monster truck force that got him there...doesn't hurt to be in your 30's and part of a multi-billion $$$ business either lol! Good/professional driver or not, he has accomplished and is doing something every single person on this site can only dream of.

[dazn]

This goes back to my post where I said a majority is based on your character and who you know, not just your driving abilities. Ken Block never finished better than 3rd before becoming part of Team Subaru, still respectable finishes for a rookie. It's his charisma and motivation to push things with monster truck force that got him there...doesn't hurt to be in your 30's and part of a multi-billion $$$ business either lol! Good/professional driver or not, he has accomplished and is doing something every single person on this site can only dream of.

what did he accomplish? becoming the biggest d-bag to ever get into a subaru rally car?
I for one, dont dream of accomplishing that goal so speak for yourself buddy.


btw, anyone know somewhere besides the airport and banks to exchange foreign currency. Ive got all this Canadian cash I cant do shit with.

[speedminded]

what did he accomplish? becoming the biggest d-bag to ever get into a subaru rally car?
I for one, dont dream of accomplishing that goal so speak for yourself buddy.


btw, anyone know somewhere besides the airport and banks to exchange foreign currency. Ive got all this Canadian cash I cant do shit with.

I would hope you don't aspire to be exactly like anyone's character, that would just be creepy.

What has he accomplished? Co-founder of a million dollar business that was bought out by a billion dollar business. Driven for pro rally teams for years, driven on shows like Top Gear, participated in the x-games, etc...what true car enthusiast wouldn't want to have the chance to do all that?

He's a douche, or portrayed as one, so what? I don't care if he was homo, I still would want a chance to be in his [racing] shoes, regardless of his character or personal life.

[Tracy]

you guys are coming to petit?
come see me in the pro paddock

We go every year boo. We hang with Gran Turismo East. We will come see you though. Who are you with now?

[Elbow]

This got interesting.

For one, I am not from GA, just to get that out there lol.

I don't know anyone who got their FIA license from a few SCCA races and now get paid if that's what was meant.

I think pro racing is any form of motorsport with corportate sponsors and big wallets. I think Koni Challenge is a mix, and at the tip. ALMS, Grand Am, NASCAR, etc. That to me is pro motorsport, I consider SPEED WC to be semi pro, in the huge picture I would call it pro, but if we are going to be all technical and all...

Ken Block is a joke, the people who made the videos should get the attention, the driving is just as good as any mad tyght dorifto or amateur rally driver.

I consider BTCC, WTCC, V8, DTM, etc to be pro, half of the drivers are paid to be racing, many are well known over there, and because of that it's a professional series. If there are a lot of paid drivers, it's not amateur racing anymore.

I think that covered most of what I missed.

[dazn]

We go every year boo. We hang with Gran Turismo East. We will come see you though. Who are you with now?

Ive worked Petit for years now and Ive never seen you guys there. wth.

look at sig

This got interesting.

For one, I am not from GA, just to get that out there lol.

I don't know anyone who got their FIA license from a few SCCA races and now get paid if that's what was meant.

I think pro racing is any form of motorsport with corportate sponsors and big wallets. I think Koni Challenge is a mix, and at the tip. ALMS, Grand Am, NASCAR, etc. That to me is pro motorsport, I consider SPEED WC to be semi pro, in the huge picture I would call it pro, but if we are going to be all technical and all...

Ken Block is a joke, the people who made the videos should get the attention, the driving is just as good as any mad tyght dorifto or amateur rally driver.

I consider BTCC, WTCC, V8, DTM, etc to be pro, half of the drivers are paid to be racing, many are well known over there, and because of that it's a professional series. If there are a lot of paid drivers, it's not amateur racing anymore.

I think that covered most of what I missed.

holy crap, this IS getting interesting, we just agreed on something.

but, if you think pro motorsports is anything with corp sponsors and big wallets although you see the same thing in SCCA club racing.