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    OK, so, I've pretty much decided that I want to make my Miata track day capable. No drag racing or anything, but road course. I know the basics I need are:

    Good suspension
    good tires
    safety equipment [REAL roll bar, harness, etc.]

    of course, I know it won't be the fastest out there, but does anyone else have any suggestions on setup, or things I should look into, etc.

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    BUMPforyou....im interested in some of this too......
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    Ever heard of Spec Miata?

    http://www.specmiata.com/specifications.htm

    It's as simple as this...
    Quote Originally Posted by specmiata.com
    Setup Guide and Chassis Tuning Tips
    (simple version)
    By Jim Daniels

    As promised the following is a walk through of how I setup my SM with a list of tuning tips I use at the track. Many have theories, thoughts and ingrained ideas on setup and tuning. I’m not trying to change any of that, I’m simply providing you with what I use on this type of racecar. I hope that you use this guide as a source to further your racing program and setup abilities. I welcome any suggestions you have, send them to me at [email protected].

    This guide will be placed in the FAQ section of the www.specmiata.com web site.

    Expect 6-8 hours the first time you do this yourself, sometimes longer depending on your mechanical ability. This time estimate is AFTER you level your floor.

    Tools and equipment needed to do setup at home:
    • Level surface (absolutely level, use shims to achieve if needed)
    • Scales, camber gauge, toe plates, string
    • Normal tools and jack stands
    • Maybe some 8’ sections of clear tube needed to level the workspace

    Before you start, a few things need to be done to the car, a few assumptions have to be made and a couple techniques explained.
    1.) The sway bars need to be disconnected on one side (I like the left side).
    2.) You need to find the center of the steering rack then lock down the column with a pair of vice grips and a bungee cord. This would be a good time to adjust the steering wheel adapter if it is off center from the rack’s center. I use my steering wheel like a degree wheel to find the center. Then, I removed the hub and adjust the splines until the “T” on my steering wheel is square.
    3.) The tires need to be at “hot” pressures, 40 will do.
    4.) The driver’s weight needs to be in the car at all times, I prefer a real person to sit there the whole time. If not, try to divide up body weight for torso, legs etc…
    5.) Do yourself a favor and make sure the suspension bolts, perch adjusters and other hardware you will be adjusting are free, ready to adjust but not loose.
    6.) In the rear sub-fame, driver’s side, just above the inboard lower bushing mounts you will see some holes cut by the factory. These holes are on both sides of the sub-frame again just up from those lower bushings. Find the two holes that are in alignment, one for the front of the sub-frame and one for the rear. Install a 3-4” bolt, the size of the hole, with a jam nut holding it in place. Have the bolts extent outward (front to the front and rear to the rear). These bolts establish the centerline of the car and will be used to square the car up in later steps (see Picture 1).
    7.) I make the assumption that no parts are bent and you have used your thumb to get toe and camber where it looks ok. 2” of toe out or +3 camber on one wheel is what I mean, correct that NOW by eye, do not spend too much time on it.
    8.) After each setting adjustment, bounce the car in place STOP, roll it 8-10” back then forward to where it was. NEVER, bounce again after you start rolling forward and always end your bounce going up, not down on the car.
    9.) You have a factory manual and know how to use it for finding out the procedures needed to make the setup adjustments.
    10.) Empty all fuel and put one gallon back in.
    11.) Using a fish scale, and after all prep is done, I measure the car’s resistance on a flat surface. Record what it takes to just roll the car. Later, as you do maintenance, compare the freshly prepared car to the after raced car. If you gain resistance, look to see if there is a reason for that gain (brakes, fluid break down, bearings etc…). Correct if you can keeping in mind that you might establish a new resistance number after the car has seen the track and become seated in. Regarding setup and especially for new builds this process below will not be very fun as you will chase yourself narrowing the gap of the different settings. You will find out that when you make a change to one setting, others may be altered. Be patient, the gap will lesson
    until it is right.

    It Begins
    Step #1 (Ride Height)
    Using the spring perches, adjust the ride height to 5-1\4” at the pinch weld on the bottom of the car at the rocker panel (see Picture 2 & 3). It is normal for the LR to have more threads showing on the bottom compensating for the driver’s weight. This will take sometime as you get used to how the car moves on one corner while you adjust another. BE PATIENT, keep going back and forth till it is near perfect. Remember this step, you will be back here again
    many times. You will not be showing the same amount of threads corner to corner. Remember, the floor where your car sits AND where you measure from needs to be level!!!

    Step #2 (LR Toe and Camber)
    We now need to square the car up so we can run through the first of several settings adjustments. Remember those bolts I had you install, now is the time to use them. They are used to measure the lower control arm on the driver’s side rear wheel verse the centerline of the car. Using a telescopic measuring device, adjust the lower cam bolts until the distance between the bolts you installed, front and rear, and the back of the outboard bushing flange of the lower control arm are the same, front and rear (see picture 4). You now have zero toe on that wheel and that wheel is pointing straight. While doing this wheel, go ahead and make the camber -2. You are adjusting the cam
    bolts anyway, this is what I like to do. Often, I do not have to touch this wheel again. JUST REMEMBER, if you get out of whack, set this wheel again and go from there, keep reading. Keeping this wheel square is vital to this process!! Please Note: Steps #3 - #5 can be both time consuming and frustrating for the uninitiated. Iron Canyon Motorsports has recently released an ICM Alignment System to assist in “stringing” your Spec Miata. Visit http://www.ironcanyonmotorsports.com for more
    information.

    Step #3 (LF Toe, Camber and Caster)
    Time to get that kite string and jack stands out. Adjust 2 stands where they are slightly above the center wheel hub height. Tie your string securely to the portion of the stands that is adjustable. Now make final corrections so the string is level with the center line of the wheel hubs and tight enough to not be drooping. Ok, the Miata is wider in the rear, this is a pain. You should now have a string tied to the stands with it level with the hubs centerline with the stands stretched out about 3’ past the front and rear wheels string tight. Basically, you will see a string running along the side of your car connected to the stands. Move the stands around until you have a 1” gap on the LR between the string and the wheel lip front and rear of that wheel. Once this is done, you have aligned the string to the wheel that you already aligned to the chassis, coming together for you now? As you set toe and make other
    adjustments, you will have to continue to square up the string to the LR wheel. BUT, after we get further along, we will drop the string and use toe plates, stay with me. Move to the front left wheel, measure from the string to the wheel lip, front and rear of the wheel, and inline with the string. Since the rack is centered and locked down and you have that 1” gap on the rear, you are looking at how far the toe is off verse the centerline of the car. Adjust toe on the LF to zero. Of course, you will have to re-square your string
    each time you roll the car. While doing this corner, you are going to set your camber to -2, your caster to +3-5 (just make sure the other side matches on caster later). Once the toe is zero, and the other settings are correct, secure this corner but do not tighten all the way just yet.

    Step #4 (RR Toe and Camber)
    We now are going to move to the passenger side of the car. Dust off them toe plates, their up now. Start by using your toe plates to get the RR to zero toe. While there, you guessed it, set the camber to -2. Once you are done, move to the RF corner. Remember, tighten to keep form moving only, no need to gorilla it at this point.

    Step #5 (LF Toe, Camber and Caster)
    Use the toe plates to match the left side, just like you did in the rear. Set the caster and camber to match the left front. At this point, the car is aligned with the centerline of the car, our ride height is set and our settings are in basic form. I call this the pre-scale setup. Good for you, these cars are not
    that corky, meaning not much chasing compared to other types of race cars.

    Step #6 (Scaling)
    I assume you have been on the scales this whole time, the extra height helps for all the floor work you needed to do. Some even setup their scales to coincide with a lift, that’s great as long as you check everything to make sure it is square. First, let’s record the total weight of the car. Add/subtract ballast now. Once it is where you are comfortable we can move on to the scaling. We will only be dealing with percentages not the actual weight numbers. We will never get the corners to even out AND have a level platform for the suspension. So, we change balance with percentages on this car. Percentage to total weight is a common feature on most scales (as everyone else in racing uses them too). This is what I will be referring to from
    here on out.

    Record the Cross (always defined as the left rear and right front to total) weight %
    Record the left to right %
    Record the front to rear %

    Trade offs have to be made so we will concentrate on Wedge (cross weight) while maintaining ride height.

    NOTE: If a car has 49% of CW (cross weight) it is considered de-wedged. If it has 51% CW it is considered wedged. De-wedge helps the car turn left while tightening up the balance on rights. Vise versa with 51% wedge. I’ll explain it more later. The fun begins! You are either REAL lucky and have a 50% car, it happens, or you see a car that is wedged or de-wedged. Based on your CW %, you need to make adjustments to the spring perches. The following procedure is crucial, a must. Keeping the ride height the same is your friend on track and in doing this setup. Forget what your brain tells you, just do
    what I say for this part.

    If you are de-wedged (less that 50%) you need to do the following.
    Up on the LR & RF Down on the RR & LF
    Make the adjustments in equal turns up and down (from whole turns to quarter turns). This will increase the CW with hardly any ride height change. One round is about 1.2%, your car may differ. Get it exactly 50%, not 50.1 or 49.9, 50.00%.

    If you are “wedged” (more than 50%) you need to do the following.
    Up on the RR & LF Down on the LR & RF
    Make the adjustments in equal turns up and down (from whole turns to quarter turns). This will decrease the CW with hardly any ride height change. One round is about 1.2%, your car may differ. Get it exactly 50%, not 50.1 or 49.9, 50.00%.

    Step #5 (the recheck)
    GO BACK OVER ALL SETTINGS!
    If anything is out, repeat all the above steps, something has changed. Keep going through the steps until your step #5 yields the numbers we are after with no adjustments needed. It might take a few times or you might be blessed with the racing gods and get it right the first time. Once it is right, it should also be TIGHT!!!!!! Make sure you measure LAST, not tighten last.

    Step #6 (completion)
    Once you are finished either because it is right or because you just gave up, we have more things to do. First, set the sway bars to full stiff up front and full soft in the rear, NO PRELOAD!! Then, remove the vise grips from the column and let the guy that has been sitting in the car this whole time get out or remove the weight you used to simulate your body weight. The car will not look right, with no driver the platform is not level, and that’s GOOD.
    We now have the car sitting there with zero toe all four, -2 camber all four, +3-5 caster both fronts (but the same side to side), 50% CW AND sitting with driver at 5-1/4” pinch weld to ground. Next, I will tell you what I do at the track to tune this beast! BUT, I’ve won many competitive races with this very setup and all but the last 3-6 tenths is capable with the settings above.

    Enjoy, hope it helps!

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    you can buy race prepped miatas easily

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoSquirl
    you can buy race prepped miatas easily
    Just as easily as what? He already has a miata anyways, you can easily go to the site i posted and find quality used parts from the spec miata's in it's classified section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KPowerEP3
    OK, so, I've pretty much decided that I want to make my Miata track day capable. No drag racing or anything, but road course. I know the basics I need are:

    Good suspension
    good tires
    safety equipment [REAL roll bar, harness, etc.]

    of course, I know it won't be the fastest out there, but does anyone else have any suggestions on setup, or things I should look into, etc.
    I'm going to assume that you have no track driving experience and are looking to learn how to drive on track. With that in mind, don't mod the car at all beyond the necessary safety items.

    For NASA track events, your car has to pass a simple technical inspection. They are going to look fpr things like fluid leaks, loose wheels, loose wheel bearings, play in the steering rack and burnt out brake lights.

    You will have to have either a hard top or a roll bar that will come above your head with a helmet on. Several of my friends track thier Miata and have on of the Hard Dog bars installed.

    Learn to drive the car in essentially stock configuration. It'll make you a much better driver in the end. BTW, I track a basically stock 1990 Honda Civic hatch...I have less than 100hp, and stock suspension. I have a blast on track and I am confident that I will be better prepared to handle a more powerful car than someone starting a powerful car, or something that's modded all to hell.

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    ^I agree

    If you have no track experience, then only do safety stuff.

    Good brake fluid(ate super blue), good pads(carbotech), Roll bar, 5 point harness, general maintenance.

    Get a year of track experince and then start modding. The driver is the most important part. I ran down two GT35R powered STIs at Little Talladega last week.....I was in a bone stock STI.

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    I have a LITTLE track experience, I've done one track day about 2 years ago when I had my EF. My first goal is, of course, to learn to handle the car, then begin building it. I'm a pretty proficient driver as far as my technique [ heel-toe, trail braking, choosing lines, etc.] But, definite reps for the Spec Miata link. I've heard of it, but for some reason, I guess I'm an idiot and couldnt find anything substantial. Thanks for the tips, and reps to the rest of you as well.

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    NASA is a great place to start to learn high performance driving on road courses. Good tires, brakes, and brake fluid are important. Obviously, make sure your car will pass tech. A Hard Dog Hard Core roll bar works best for Miatas. If you run with a hardtop, it is required to be bolted on (not just latched). Used Spec Miatas can be purchased for a lot less than it will cost you to build one. Safety equipment is up to you other than the roll bar. You can use your factory three point belts as far as the rules are concerned. If I were you, I wouldn't invest too much money on your car until your are sure that's the car you want to continue with. Miatas are a blast and you will probably enjoy them or you might get the bug for something with more speed. In the corners, you would be surprised how fast a Spec Miata can go.

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    I agree with the above statment about NASA. Check out http://nasaproracing.com for more info.

    Tripper, aren't you an instructor for SE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightSix
    I agree with the above statment about NASA. Check out http://nasaproracing.com for more info.

    Tripper, aren't you an instructor for SE?
    Hey StraightSix, yes I am. Doing a SeatTime Friday at Roebling and a Chin Motorsports weekend the middle of November at Roebling. Can't wait for next season. Planning on running TT next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool Cat GTR
    Hey StraightSix, yes I am. Doing a SeatTime Friday at Roebling and a Chin Motorsports weekend the middle of November at Roebling. Can't wait for next season. Planning on running TT next year.
    What class are you planning on running for tt
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    I thought the car looked and the name looked familiar. I had a blast this season, as well, and I'm looking forward to the next season, too.

    I'm curious, too, about what class and car you're going to TT.

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    Me or Tripper?

    I'm running in TTU and STU next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    What class are you planning on running for tt
    Hey Matt, I honestly don't know what class I belong in. Do you know? I've supercharged my Elise along with a few other performance mods. Any idea where I should be classed? I know you are one very quick driver so I hope I don't have to run against you yet. Hahaha. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool Cat GTR
    Hey Matt, I honestly don't know what class I belong in. Do you know? I've supercharged my Elise along with a few other performance mods. Any idea where I should be classed? I know you are one very quick driver so I hope I don't have to run against you yet. Hahaha. Thanks!
    Did you have an R32 Skyline at Roebling earlier this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    Did you have an R32 Skyline at Roebling earlier this year?
    No but I'm pretty sure he knows the guy, The guy with the GTR was my student, he let me drive the car it was interesting to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool Cat GTR
    Hey Matt, I honestly don't know what class I belong in. Do you know? I've supercharged my Elise along with a few other performance mods. Any idea where I should be classed? I know you are one very quick driver so I hope I don't have to run against you yet. Hahaha. Thanks!

    You are probally going to end up in the big boy classes, either tts or ttr.

    How much power does it make and what does it weigh in at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    No but I'm pretty sure he knows the guy, The guy with the GTR was my student, he let me drive the car it was interesting to say the least.

    Matt
    yeah you were there that weekend...think missing the front bumper on your car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    You are probally going to end up in the big boy classes, either tts or ttr.

    How much power does it make and what does it weigh in at?
    The R32 at Roebling belonged to Bart Miller. He owns the Suzuki dealership in Warner Robins. He seems to keep "interesting" models. He was impressed with the way Matt drove his car.

    To answer your question about my Elise. It weighs in a little under 2,000 pounds. Horsepower to the wheels is approximately 225. As soon as the Stage II upgrade becomes available (estimated around the first of the year), horsepower will increase to some number that will probably be a little less than 250. Based upon your knowledge, where do you think that will class me?

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    If you run a dot tire and have very very few mods you can stay in TTS with the 225 horsepower. If you bump to 250 you are going to be in TTR.

    Its going to be hard for you to be competitive in TTS especially at the big tracks like Road Atlanta. Horsepower plays such a huge role on the long straights.

    You won't be competitive at all in TTR, read the rules on the TT homepage, you need to do everything you can to stay out of TTR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    yeah you were there that weekend...think missing the front bumper on your car.
    If you saw it in the pits it was probally off the car because I was working on it. On track it was on the car, it is a black bumper on a white car though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    You won't be competitive at all in TTR, read the rules on the TT homepage, you need to do everything you can to stay out of TTR.
    lol, TTR sounds like fun...but not in a production car!! Unless maybe an Ariel Atom or Turbo Radical

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    I'll be running TTR next year, but the STI will have a 700hp 6 cylinder a widebody kit and full aero.

    Hopefully we will be able to stuff some 315 dunlop slicks under it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    I'll be running TTR next year, but the STI will have a 700hp 6 cylinder a widebody kit and full aero.

    Hopefully we will be able to stuff some 315 dunlop slicks under it.

    Matt
    holy...you trying to bring back the Group B rally class?!

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    Im in the process of building a SPEC Miata car. Actually, there are 3 of us (with 3 cars) around here that are doing it. The tentative plan is to run several Spec raes, and hopefully an enduro or three...

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    holy...you trying to bring back the Group B rally class?!
    Yes...Yes I am
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    Quote Originally Posted by redgst97
    Im in the process of building a SPEC Miata car. Actually, there are 3 of us (with 3 cars) around here that are doing it. The tentative plan is to run several Spec raes, and hopefully an enduro or three...
    I'm going up to VIR to crew for the 13 hour race. I'm planning on running it and the 25 hours of thunderhill next year.

    Nasa-SE is planning on doing between 2 and 4 3 hour events next year, looks like they will be on fridays, I'm planning on doing those as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    If you run a dot tire and have very very few mods you can stay in TTS with the 225 horsepower. If you bump to 250 you are going to be in TTR.

    Its going to be hard for you to be competitive in TTS especially at the big tracks like Road Atlanta. Horsepower plays such a huge role on the long straights.

    You won't be competitive at all in TTR, read the rules on the TT homepage, you need to do everything you can to stay out of TTR.
    Thanks for the info. You are right about Road Atlanta. Definitely a horsepower track. Z06s blow me away down the back stretch.

    TT just seems like it will be fun since you are gridded based upon lap times. Actually seems like it would be better the HPDE 4.

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    Its a lot more fun than hpde4. Its also a good stepping stone for wheel to wheel racing. You will have fun in TTS, its a good class to run in and its usually very competitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool Cat GTR
    Thanks for the info. You are right about Road Atlanta. Definitely a horsepower track. Z06s blow me away down the back stretch.
    Would changing the gearing help at all?


    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    I'm going up to VIR to crew for the 13 hour race. I'm planning on running it and the 25 hours of thunderhill next year.

    Nasa-SE is planning on doing between 2 and 4 3 hour events next year, looks like they will be on fridays, I'm planning on doing those as well

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    I've crewed the 13hr at VIR several times and a few 10hrs(?) at Homestead. Can't wait to get to run it myself! i love night driving, there's just something about it...

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    In TT everyone is gridded based on times to allow every competitor the best chance of clean track. DE4 on the other hand is the group reserved for instructors.

    It would probably be best Tripper, if you e-mailed Ken Brewer or Jeff Engalnd about classing stuff. Ken's probably the better of the two for classing questions. If you have something really oddball they'll refer you to Greg Greenabaum. The contact info for Ken is on the SE contact us page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    Would changing the gearing help at all?


    I've crewed the 13hr at VIR several times and a few 10hrs(?) at Homestead. Can't wait to get to run it myself! i love night driving, there's just something about it...
    I doubt changing the gearing is going to get you more than a few mph.

    What kind of speeds are you hitting at Road Atlanta on the back straight Tripper?

    I would guess he is in the high 120mph range maybe low 130, I'm hitting almost 160 and I've been pulled by cars before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightSix
    In TT everyone is gridded based on times to allow every competitor the best chance of clean track. DE4 on the other hand is the group reserved for instructors.

    It would probably be best Tripper, if you e-mailed Ken Brewer or Jeff Engalnd about classing stuff. Ken's probably the better of the two for classing questions. If you have something really oddball they'll refer you to Greg Greenabaum. The contact info for Ken is on the SE contact us page.
    If he has aftermarket forced induction he is going to be in the top 3 classes, just quick basic math puts him at 8 to 1 power to weight with no adjustments, I'm reasonably sure he will end up in tts. But you need to fill out the form and make sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    Would changing the gearing help at all?

    Generally not. It might help get the car of the corner faster, but speeds at the end of the straights would suffer. Conversely, gearing to allow higher speeds at the end of the straight would cost acceleration. More hp will allow the car to make better use of whatever gearing is there. A car like the Elise, or a Miata, will have to maximize speed everywhere else on track. I hope that makes some sense...I feel like I'm not using my words so well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    I doubt changing the gearing is going to get you more than a few mph.
    That's what i figured but didn't know if it would help him get up to that speed quicker


    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    What kind of speeds are you hitting at Road Atlanta on the back straight Tripper?

    I would guess he is in the high 120mph range maybe low 130, I'm hitting almost 160 and I've been pulled by cars before.
    I'd say over 130, i've done 125+ in my integra on street tires and weigh alot more.

    but 160 I can only imagine! The old Raceworks Speedvision World Cup Prelude was getting a consistant 151mph though, that suprised me!

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    My formere roommate took a ride in a Z06 at RA last time we were there, and I think he said they were getting about 170 going into 10a. In a street car. With no roll cage. The owner was going to let Rob drive but a couple of racers oiled down the track and clean up took so long that Rob lost his chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightSix
    My formere roommate took a ride in a Z06 at RA last time we were there, and I think he said they were getting about 170 going into 10a. In a street car. With no roll cage. The owner was going to let Rob drive but a couple of racers oiled down the track and clean up took so long that Rob lost his chance.
    MTI Racing? Just wondering, i've seen a few videos of one of those guys driving in the rain, whoaa...crazy fast and sideways were you don't wanna be sideways

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    I've followed Reese Cox around RA in the Black c6z its stupid fast, he pulled me by about 20 cars on the back straight.
    Hmmmm.

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