Jetta with MEDIUM SCHOOL wheels

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How the hell do you "want to scrub" ever? And suppose you are approaching a speed bump you have no way around that is the maximum legal height of 4 inches. How the hell do you cross it when you "don't want to scrub"? I call bullshit.

Call it what you want, man, but it doesn't make it so. By the way, where you in 1986? Did we know each other? Unless you're a reincarnation, you weren't even a sperm cell or egg in your parents reproductive organs when I was doing this. So where is the validity in your calling my bluff?

Cars have engines in them, and wheels, and suspensions, all of these thing are engineered by a team of brilliant people to get you around from point a to point b.

So what you're saying is, you've always (and currently do) owned completely stock cars with zero modifications done to them?

Reversing the effects of their engineering is pretty stupid way to spend money.

I apologize for I can't remember, but how much money did we figure you spent on my car?

To make your car work with its intended purpose less all for the sake of making it a big fashion item.

A fashion item? I've been at this for longer than at least 85% of the people on this site. I don't believe I'm doing this for anything other than the FACT that I've been doing it ever since I could drive. Why are you on an automotive modification site if you're against automotive modifications? Later, QD.

[87 Turbo II]

Call it what you want, man, but it doesn't make it so. By the way, where you in 1986? Did we know each other? Unless you're a reincarnation, you weren't even a sperm cell or egg in your parents reproductive organs when I was doing this. So where is the validity in your calling my bluff?

Completely irrelevant. It's like when people throw out the "I'm old enough to be your father" argument. It may be true, but for the sake of this argument, you just threw it off the topic so people would forget. I want to know how you "choose not to want to scrub" approaching a 4 inch speedbump in a car with 2 inches of ground clearance without scrubbing because you "know how to drive a car that low without scrubbing". Don't just say I wasn't there, simply state the way you magically made the car 2 inches higher or lowered the speedbump. It's why I said bullshit.

So what you're saying is, you've always (and currently do) owned completely stock cars with zero modifications done to them?

All my modifications either increase grip, power,or responsiveness, they all tie in with the parts of a car that move it, and they enhance their intended functions. Wheels are put on a car to roll it, not to look any particular way. So to make them look like they poke out then stretch skinny stiff tires with small contact patches across them and tucking them under a fender at the expense of gouging the tires on the inner fender, wearing them unevenly with camber, and dealing with poor acceleration braking and fuel consumption from the added rotational mass seems pretty stupid. Modificatons should enhance a function, not make something fit a style at the expense of function.

I apologize for I can't remember, but how much money did we figure you spent on my car?

None, I didn't say you should have done whatever you want. It is your car, I was just saying it's a stupid way to spend money. the fact that that is my opinion is implied. Spend it how you want, I'll judge weather or not I think its stupid all I want, don't tell me you don't do the same thing when you enter a thread, see a car you don't like, and say "That wing is hideous." or anything similar.

A fashion item? I've been at this for longer than at least 85% of the people on this site. I don't believe I'm doing this for anything other than the FACT that I've been doing it ever since I could drive. Why are you on an automotive modification site if you're against automotive modifications? Later, QD.

I don't know why YOU do it. Although the reason "I do it because I've always done it" errs back to irrelevance in my opinion. At any rate, the part of my post this response was quoting wasn't meant just for you, but rather I.A. And fact of the matter is many of the IA members do look at their cars like women look at their clothes. Fashion even if they're impractical as hell. And I am not against all modification, but some, and to join a modification site means I have to deal with the kind of mods I disagree with to discuss the ones I do agree with that are lumped in.

To other misc. people in the thread: There was no lack of rationality to my post that needed addressing. And owned? Far from it. Also, I'm not close minded, I have given everything discussed great thought and just deduced my own opinions from it. Call it what you want.

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Completely irrelevant.

It's actually very relevant. You're calling BS on something you know nothing of. Someone could call you smart and I could say BS, but I can't because I don't know. I know what I did and how I did it. Who are you that I need to prove my past to? Who are you that I need to back up what I say. If I didn't do it, I wouldn't say it. Why would I make up that I can drive a slammed car? There's no one to impress here.

All my modifications either increase grip, power,or responsiveness, they all tie in with the parts of a car that move it, and they enhance their intended functions.

But...but, you said these "teams of brilliant people" mad the cars to where their intent was.Why modify it.....unless...wait for it.....you WANT to.

Modificatons should enhance a function, not make something fit a style at the expense of function.

Says who?

Spend it how you want, I'll judge weather or not I think its stupid all I want, don't tell me you don't do the same thing when you enter a thread, see a car you don't like, and say "That wing is hideous." or anything similar.

I never said that I don't say anything negative about someone's car. But I also don't go around ranting and raving and writing essays on why they did their car the way they did why what they do is bullshit. Talk about irrelevance.

I don't know why YOU do it. Although the reason "I do it because I've always done it" errs back to irrelevance in my opinion.

It's really not irrelevant at all if you were to actually think about it.

And fact of the matter is many of the IA members do look at their cars like women look at their clothes. Fashion even if they're impractical as hell

If an empty band wagon ever stopped on IA, it would be overcrowded by the time it left the station. Very true.

There was no lack of rationality to my post that needed addressing. And owned? Far from it.

There was irrationality and it really wasn't that far from ownage...although I wasn't trying to do that. I'm actually kind of surprised that you decided to "attack" me. I didn't know we had any problems, but if you do, that's cool. I'm not too worried about it. Later, QD.

[87 Turbo II]

It's actually very relevant. You're calling BS on something you know nothing of. Someone could call you smart and I could say BS, but I can't because I don't know. I know what I did and how I did it. Who are you that I need to prove my past to? Who are you that I need to back up what I say. If I didn't do it, I wouldn't say it. Why would I make up that I can drive a slammed car? There's no one to impress here.

Regardless of the fact that you are not obligated to prove yourself, the fact that there is no real answer to the question still just hurts the credibility of the original statement "shenanegans" was called against, but do as you wish, if you're happy with what you know happened and don't feel there is anyone you have to prove it to, then that just shows extreme self confidence. But a few skeptics and I will always think otherwise to the truth and credibility of your claim, but if you're ok with that, power to you.

But...but, you said these "teams of brilliant people" made the cars to where their intent was.Why modify it.....unless...wait for it.....you WANT to.

This is a good point, and I won't get into any further than I already have. I'll make my argument very weak by stating my views as opinions and just agree to disagree.

Says who?

I'll quote myself here and say "the fact that this is all my opinion is implied."

I never said that I don't say anything negative about someone's car. But I also don't go around ranting and raving and writing essays on why they did their car the way they did why what they do is bullshit. Talk about irrelevance.

Admittedly it may be a good bit out of line for me to start throwing the B.S. flag up at people's intentions and trying to say why they do what they do, but hey, it's I.A., and statistically, there will always be a good chunk of retards who fit the description perfectly that one can generalize and make the statement (mostly) true.

It's really not irrelevant at all if you were to actually think about it.

well anything can be made irrelevant or relevant depending on who backs it up and how well they thought to link situations or break links, it's all the talent of the people in debate, so yes, it could be made relevant with good argument to support it.

If an empty band wagon ever stopped on IA, it would be overcrowded by the time it left the station. Very true.

agreed and it is annoying haha

There was irrationality and it really wasn't that far from ownage...although I wasn't trying to do that. I'm actually kind of surprised that you decided to "attack" me. I didn't know we had any problems, but if you do, that's cool. I'm not too worried about it. Later, QD.

No real attack, I just enjoy intellegent debate. Consider it a compliment that I actually took the time to think about your points and creat counterpoints of my own. Not that you have the insecurity to need complimnents, but I guess as a top dog on this site, debating with you just felt more coherent and challenging that ti would have with well over 85% of the members here. Most of the O.G. posters are like this though.(that does NOT mean I consider myself one). We're cool though, just friendly debate(granted I should reserve the word "bullshit" for less professional and more immature childish posts). So don't view it as attacking you at all, no problems with you.

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... just hurts the credibility of the original statement "shenanegans" was called against,

No credibility was lost at all.

but do as you wish, if you're happy with what you know happened and don't feel there is anyone you have to prove it to, then that just shows extreme self confidence. But a few skeptics and I will always think otherwise to the truth and credibility of your claim,

I don't know of but one skeptic (you). And I'm still not sure of why you would think I would make this up.

it's I.A., and statistically, there will always be a good chunk of retards who fit the description perfectly that one can generalize and make the statement (mostly) true.

Unfortunately, you're right.

No real attack, I just enjoy intellegent debate. Consider it a compliment that I actually took the time to think about your points and creat counterpoints of my own. Not that you have the insecurity to need complimnents, but I guess as a top dog on this site, debating with you just felt more coherent and challenging that ti would have with well over 85% of the members here. Most of the O.G. posters are like this though.(that does NOT mean I consider myself one). We're cool though, just friendly debate(granted I should reserve the word "bullshit" for less professional and more immature childish posts). So don't view it as attacking you at all, no problems with you.[/QUOTE]

Good to hear that no problems exist and it was, surprisingly, an intelligent back-n-forth conversation. I wouldn't really call it a debate because we were "arguing" over something that wasn't debatable.

We shall meet again, lolol. Later, QD.