It was a boxer.Originally Posted by speedminded
It was a boxer.
Don't be so sure. This really does need looking into.
Boxer is one of the most incorrectly used terms.
I'll have to check on the cross/flat.
Well it was a flat 8 I think. Just speaking what I've read. Sorry.
I always screw up differences in boxer and flat engines.
But was it a 180 degree V or a real boxer engine?
Consider the Ferrari Testarossa.
Ferrari said it's a Boxer 12 but it was a 180 degree V.
True, it would be a flat-8 then. It was apparently 310hp version of the Porsche 908 engine. Both cars were designed under Ferdinand Piech...
That I do not know! lol
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-9...-flat-8-a.html
Figured I'd put this up here for the Flat vs Boxer thing. They look similar but the difference is in the crank journals:
Thanks to "BoxerFanatic" off autoblog for this text:
"There is a difference. Both are horizontally opposed, and look very much the same from the outside. It has to do with crankshaft configuration.
It has to do with whether directly opposing pistons share a crank journal, or have their own 180-degree opposed journals.
A V-engine has common journals for cylinder pairs, some being as widely separated along the crankshaft axis as 180 degrees, and thus, technically, horizontally flat, but still hitting TDC side to side, alternating order, firing the power stroke every other TDC. If they share a crank journal, they move back and forth as a unit, essentially.
A 'true' boxer has individual journals, also 180 degrees horizontally flat, but hitting TDC simultaneously, and firing every other occasion. They have separate journals for each rod, then pistons across from each other both go up to TDC, and away from each other at the same time, and come down to BDC, toward each other at the same time.
As I read it, It tends to cancel out the second order vibrations that a common crank journal engine, especially those of a narrower angle of V. A 90 degree angle of V also sometimes use an offset split pin crankshaft, that puts some pistons at an odd firing order.
A flat 180-V doesn't need to do that, and a true boxer goes further by being inherently smoother, with some of the imparted forces cancelled out directly across the engine. An inline 6 mirrors the first three pistons with the last three, basically offsetting forces against each other that way, along the length of the engine.
And Ferrari did refer to it's first flat 12 road car as a boxer, right in the name of the car. The 512BB stands for Berlinetta (solid roof coupe) Boxer (horizontally opposed engine, 5.12 Liters of displacement.)
It was basically their Colombo V12, which started as a narrow angle V12 of 1.5 liters, and gradually was enlarged. more well known versions, the 250, 275, 330, 4-cam, 365, 400, and ultimately 512. 365 and 512 displacements were both flattened to 180-degrees, and used in the Berlinetta Boxer model, as well as the Testarossa, along side the narrower V12 in 400i and 412.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_Colombo_engine
It was replaced entirely with a new engine family for the 456 line, which evolved from the Dino's V6 and split off from 308-328-348's V8 engine lineup, scaled up to 12 cylinders, then evolved in that format for the 550, 575, F50, Enzo, and 599, and is obviously still in service, until Ferrari replaces it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_Dino_engine#V12
This patent will likely be applied to a reverse-flow version of the Ferrari/Maserati V8 from the 360/F430/Maserati/Alfa8C... which may also spawn a newer V12 in the future.
Ferrari is remarkably scaleable and efficient with it's engine designs, it seems."
wow.... u seen Fred Crawfords with NASA-SE ????
I'm sure I have since I've been at every NASA event.What color is it?
Green/red.... it was in Grassroots a few months ago... i think he is looking for a motor to go in it.
awesome 914's my buddys dad has one. you dont see these on the road much
on the left....
Oh yeah I thought that's who you were talking about, I have tons of pics of that car on my other computer I'll post them, it's sex.
1972 Porsche 916 – one of only 11 made is on the market for $495,000
More pics
http://www.911spirit.com/1972-porsch...et-for-495000/
911 Spirit:
Porsche 916 was unveiled at the 1971 Paris Auto Salon. The model was planned as the ultimate iteration of the 914 before the 914 had even entered production.
Even though the car had 914 body, it was much more than just a modified version of it. Flared fenders were added covering 7-inch wide Fuchs five spoke wheels, a steel roof instead of a targa top for improved rigidity, body colored fiberglass bumpers.
It looked lower and more sleek than the heavy chromed bumpers of the 914. The front air dam had a large cutout in front for the oil cooler, and two smaller flanking cutouts for fog lights. The rear bumper was molded in a simple fashion with only one small hole for the exhaust, and a molded flat surface for mounting the license tags.
Interior was finished with luxurious leather and velour. The traditional 914 door panels were replaced with lighter components, including a small plastic door pull, and flexible fabric map pockets. The car was fitted from the factory with a Becker AM/FM Cassette stereo, which was quite advanced for 1972. It also had a special antenna molded into the windshield for increased reception, with the added benefit of maintaining smooth body lines.
Real difference compared to the 914 was sitting directly behind the driver. 2.4 liter engine from the 911S with 190 horsepower at 6500 rpm, and 159 pound feet of torque at 5200 rpm. Power was sent to rear wheels via reworked traditional-shift-pattern type 915 transmission.
The 916 was 165 pounds lighter than the 911S, making it the quickest production Porsche at the time. 0-60 mph came in under seven seconds and top speed was 145 mph.
Mid-engined layout, powerful engine and a light weight sounded like a winning formula, but reality was far different.
Porsche’s initial plan to was to produce 20 cars By the mid-October Paris Auto Salon, only a few had been built, and one was shown to judge consumer response. Consumers were very receptive to the 916 as a concept; however, the receptivity turned to anguish when they glimpsed the pricing structure. Potential customers could not justify the nearly $14,000 for a 916, especially when a 911S could be had for less.
After the show a few more units were built and soon the the production was stopped. Only 11 cars were built and only one was officially exported to the United States by Porsche. It is the only 916 to receive US certification, use US spec 911S equipment, and have US-style indicator lights.
Porsche 916 never had an air conditioning option, but Porsche importer Peter Gregg(owner of Brumos Porsche+Audi in Florida) assured Porsche that his team would engineer the air conditioning system for the 916 if Porsche would provide them with a car.
When Gregg arrived at the port to pick up the car, the velour seat inserts had rotted clean through due to the salty air. He later replaced them with layered gradient Porsche logo cloth inserts. When Porsche pulled the plug on 916 production, the car stayed with him at Brumos.
Today the car is owned by Mr. George Hussey, owner of Automobile Atlanta, who bought it back in 1993 from its second owner. Now this very rare mid-engined classic Porsche is on the market for $495,000. Its present condition is just as it was when in arrived in Florida almost 40 years ago. For more details contact Auto Atlanta.
The yellow 914 runnin around in the Thunder and enduro last weekend with nasa..... The kid driving just turned 15 lol
Ugly as FUCK
We've seen your taste. So....
And... I could give one fuck less about race cars when they look like shit. Not everyone likes the same thing, and I respect that. Don't get hurt when someone varies from your beliefs. Let me guess, Christian?
First off, I'm not a Christian. But even if i was, my religious background would dictate what car i like? I'll note that for future reference.
And i guess about my "beliefs," you're saying the belief that a car is meant to be driven instead of hard parked is off? Maybe you're the one that's the "Christian" in this case.
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