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    Quote Originally Posted by jdm>usdm
    Yep.

    Ass tuned it myself with a wide band and an afc neo.
    theres your problem, all an AFC does is alter the map signal and trick the ECU into thinking that its in a different spot of the map to give you MINOR adjustments in respect to the fuel mixture. It also effects your timing, as different spots of the map require different timing adjusmtents.

    On a normal car, lets say at 10 inches of vacuum the car is in map "COLUMN A" at 5000 RPMs. Lets say at 5inches of vacuum the car is in MAP "COLUMN B" which takes more fuel and timing at 5000 RPMS. As your load increases so does the fuel and timing (usually). All an AFC does is trick your ecu into thinking that COLUMN A is really "COLUMN B" by altering the map signal. The ecu thinks you are at 5inches of vacuum when you are really only at 10 inches just by altering the signal to the ecu (controlling the voltage). Thats a crude way to explain it but it works.

    A programmable ECU like Hondata or Crome doesnt alter the signal at all. It physically controls injector pulse width to determine the fuel you are using.

    You also cant compare a SOHC cam to a DOHC cam setup. SOHC has 3 lobes per cylinder(3 lobes to control 4 valves, DOHC has 6 (6 lobes to control 4 valves) (3 lobes intake side, 3 lobes exhaust side)

    thats the whole point behind DOHC and VTEC. Maximum driveability, maximum HP.

    And no, PRO1s if properly tuned and if they are 0,0, they will idle like stock. I had PRO3s in my 2.0l LSVTEC and it idled at 1000rpms with no lumpiness at all.

    I will say this though, there was a bad batch of PRO1s few years back where the centerlines were off. So if you put them in at 0,0 it wouldnt idle at all. It would lump and die consistently. DA_UNKNOWN on here had a set and it was nearly impossible to get his car to idle right. If these are PRO1s from like 4-5 years ago, then its possible. If they are new, then something is not right with the car.
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    Furthermore, the lumpiness goes along with this whole "OMG VTEC CROSSOVER IS SO LOUD !!!@##!#@!"

    If you can hear VTEC on PRO1s PRO2s or PRO3s, its not properly tuned. VTEC should be a seamless transition, there should be no loud or overly audible crossover. It should be a simple click in the powerband.

    you set VTEC where you achieve Peak TQ usually. Before that and you are changing into VTEC before the low cam has achieved max cylinder pressure, after that, you are losing power in your powerband.
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    I can't hear VTEC crossover at all in my wagon. It must be broke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd
    theres your problem, all an AFC does is alter the map signal and trick the ECU into thinking that its in a different spot of the map to give you MINOR adjustments in respect to the fuel mixture. It also effects your timing, as different spots of the map require different timing adjusmtents.

    On a normal car, lets say at 10 inches of vacuum the car is in map "COLUMN A" at 5000 RPMs. Lets say at 5inches of vacuum the car is in MAP "COLUMN B" which takes more fuel and timing at 5000 RPMS. As your load increases so does the fuel and timing (usually). All an AFC does is trick your ecu into thinking that COLUMN A is really "COLUMN B" by altering the map signal. The ecu thinks you are at 5inches of vacuum when you are really only at 10 inches just by altering the signal to the ecu (controlling the voltage). Thats a crude way to explain it but it works.

    A programmable ECU like Hondata or Crome doesnt alter the signal at all. It physically controls injector pulse width to determine the fuel you are using.

    You also cant compare a SOHC cam to a DOHC cam setup. SOHC has 3 lobes per cylinder(3 lobes to control 4 valves, DOHC has 6 (6 lobes to control 4 valves) (3 lobes intake side, 3 lobes exhaust side)

    thats the whole point behind DOHC and VTEC. Maximum driveability, maximum HP.

    And no, PRO1s if properly tuned and if they are 0,0, they will idle like stock. I had PRO3s in my 2.0l LSVTEC and it idled at 1000rpms with no lumpiness at all.

    I will say this though, there was a bad batch of PRO1s few years back where the centerlines were off. So if you put them in at 0,0 it wouldnt idle at all. It would lump and die consistently. DA_UNKNOWN on here had a set and it was nearly impossible to get his car to idle right. If these are PRO1s from like 4-5 years ago, then its possible. If they are new, then something is not right with the car.
    well....why does sammy's dart 2.0L setup have lumpy idle with pro1? its set 0,0. its the same integra that was bought from mainstream...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catnip
    Plus I highly doubt the wagon is running pro1s.

    Seeing as how its not your build nor have you had any part in building it, then you'll never know.
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    i hope yall treat my bottomend with respect.

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    damn this thread took a major turn lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdavidscenex
    i hope yall treat my bottomend with respect.
    Yes sir. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdavidscenex
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    Ill treat some bottom with respect!


    vtec crossover is the shit!!! ummm baaaaaammmmm

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    and with turbo you get


    ummmm baaaammmmmmmmm pshhhhh

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    bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh bah bah bah, bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catnip
    VTEC hondas don't "cam." They have vtec so the primary lobes aren't aggressive, giving more low end power, then switching to the secondary (aka vtec) lobes at high RPM (4500 for the GSR, 5500 for the B16, etc) which are more aggressive lobes... where it's actually usable.

    Hence no lumpy idle for VTEC hondas.


    *edit* "camming" hondas are A. Non-vtec, B. Not running right, C. Vtec running vtec killers... being that the motor is a LS/VTEC... it's not running right

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    so anything new with the wagon???

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    Nope. Need to fix some loose ends it has.

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    you need to get over here and help me with the hatch!

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