Turbo model, 200hp if its stock, weighs less than a miata.
A co-worker's car
Turbo model, 200hp if its stock, weighs less than a miata.
ugly
PHUCKIN RIGHT!
Says the civic owner.Originally Posted by Black4DrEK
I remember ten years ago they wanted to bring it to the U.S. but it was never gonna pass the crash tests.
what are you doing on import Atlanta?
looks like a knockoff lotus.
i'd drive it, but wouldn't buy it.
Thats the european version of the Saturn Sky... Does it really weigh les then a miata???
Lotus helped make it so calling it a knockoff is off.
WHAT????
This didn't just happen.
I have no friends and this is the first place they accepted me.
Haha. No Im only staying in Germany about 5 more months than I go back to Atlanta. And like most people here I have job that requires you to sit in front of the computer all day.
fugly. i don't care what anyone says.
i mean what kind of respectable sports car has altima wheels.
its a knock off.
lotus inspired doesn't make it a lotus.
x2
^^ DAMN SKIPPY!!!
God I've always wanted one of these. Beautiful.
-Zach-
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"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." -Ronald Reagan
It's not just Lotus inspired, Lotus actually helped produce these IIRC.
-Zach-
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"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." -Ronald Reagan
I didn't say it was just inspired. Lotus was called upon like they were for the Nissan GTR to setup the cars suspension and assembled the cars as well. They were built at Lotus' own factory!
Produced by Lotus at their Hethel, Norfolk factory, the VX220 carried the Lotus internal model identification Lotus 116 and the code name Skipton for the 2.2N/A version and Tornado for the 2.0 L Turbo.
The chassis utilizes an aluminium chassis tub that weighs only 150 lb (68 kg). The car also features bodywork which is made entirely of GRP. The entire car weighs in at only 2,050 lb (930 kg), much lighter than most small sports cars.
The normally aspirated version used a Vauxhall Astra all aluminium alloy 2.2 L Z22SE engine giving 108 kW (147 PS; 145 bhp) in a car weighing 870 kg (1918 lb) — originally designed for GM by Lotus, it arguably gives the VX220 more mechanical Lotus content than the Elise. The Turbo model, introduced in 2003, used a GM designed cast iron block 2.0 L Z20LET engine, producing 147 kW (200 PS; 197 bhp) but weighing 930 kg (2050 lb).
The Elise S2 was designed by Lotus to have 16" front wheels and 17" rear wheels. GM decided to fit 17" wheels front and rear to the VX220 for aesthetic reasons, which reduced the handling performance of the car.
A removable hard-top can be fitted as a factory or aftermarket option, arguably providing better looks and aerodynamics.
seems like it would be fun to drive but the cars body lines really do kill it for me
weak civic
what kind of car is it?
AHAHAHAHAHA. No.
The Saturn Sky is a rebadged Opel GT. This is an Opel Speedster.
Wait wut?
You were arging about something you didn't even know about?
Opel Speedster
then its a opel speedster.....not a lotus.
ya'll said lotus helped with the GT-R but its still a nissan.
well, same situation here.
What's your exact argument here?
You're trying to say that because (at the time) GM had the money to tell Lotus to put their badges on a car they developed makes it have no Lotus in it?
Is that what you are saying?
i think it looks cool
In that case, is this car just a Dodge as well?
i'm saying its not a lotus.
i said it looked like a knock-off lotus.
and its an opel speedster. not a lotus.
thats what i'm saying.
So a badge is all that makes a car what it is?
so the GT-R is a lotus as well?
1. GT-R's arn't built in Lotus factory.
2. Aren't designed, built, and assembled by Lotus
3. Aren't based on a Lotus designed production platform
The GTR's link with Lotus is solely in the way Lotus helped set up the chassis even though Nissan has kept most of the details secret to make people think it is a 100% Nissan developed car.
So no. The GTR is not a Lotus.
but opel had help (just like nissan) building the car, and its considered a lotus. so a car that was helped by another company makes it that company's car with a different badge?
car is still an opel with lotus inspirations. cause it was a lotus, they would have called it a lotus.
No see Opel didn't exactly have help.
I'd call it help if this had happen....
Lotus came to G.M. in the design process and helped sort the car out on paper.
After that, it would make its way to Opel/Vauxhall assembly lines and be put together there just as any other GM would.
But that is not what had happened.
In this case, Lotus took money to develop a car like their successful Elise for another manufacturer. The Speedster is different to the Elise is many ways but it is still a Lotus made vehicle.
To get what i'm saying, listen to it like this.
Your way of seeing this.
I am Ford.
Chevy has the vette
I as Ford want a car like the Vette
I set out to make a car to compete against the vette.
I design, build, and sell it
My way of seeing this.
I am Ford
Chevy has the Vette
I as Ford want a car like the Vette
I goto Chevy with a paycheck
tell them to make me a car like the vette
then put Ford badges on it to be sold as a Ford.
with that said, it makes a lot more sense, since the way it was being said i was seeing it as, lotus just came in and built the car but wasn't taking credit for anything for it.
but i was also seeing it as lotus helped with some of the designs and helped with the production of the car, not so much as, lotus doing everything and being labeled as another vehicle.
Lotus did most of the work. G.M. provided the money and the badges.
I'm out...got to go to school. Been a while since a good discussion came up. Later/
And someone has too much time on their hands to be analyzing others posts and if someone doesn't like a car they don't like it... I don't like the car and u remind me of the car... Quit being an e thug!Wait wut?
You were arging about something you didn't even know about?
Me? Never.
Look further in and you'll see i discuss.
yea, it just seemed like lotus was there with the design and production of the car, over building it.
FAIL.
http://www.opel.com/
The company was founded on 21 January 1863, and began making automobiles in 1899. Opel was acquired by General Motors Corporation in 1929 and continues as a subsidiary. Opel is part of GM Europe, and is GM's largest European brand, and with Vauxhall Motors in the UK, forms GM's core European business.
Opel Speedster, dope.
courtesy of whoever posted this before I stole it.
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The Opel Speedster/Vauxhall VX220 was designed by Lotus for GM. THEN it was built in England in the Lotus factory by Lotus workers. You can't get much more Lotus than that.
www.speedster.opel.com/
Car manufacturers making trade off's and re-badging is common practice.
you're late on the convo.
way late.
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