New Old Skool 98 Sedan

[VWGirl]

is 98 old skool by default now? Anyhow... I hate my car being referred to as a "new beetle" cause it's not... and I hate how I have to explain myself every time i call Autozone (it's the only place that lists my car) that I have a 98 Sedan and it is not a jetta or a golf or whatever... it's that last one on the list that says "sedan" yeah, that's right... the one I said I had... and yes, it is Mexican and yes it has a 1600i which yes is aircooled and in the back where it belongs!

Yeah... so here is my car that is currently in the basement (going on 3 mos) cause the alternator went out and while it was out i figured I should replace that o-ring on the alternator stand, and while I was doing that I figured I should replace the spark plug wires, and while I was doing that figured I should replace that mismatched head, and while the engine was out I thought I should replace the clutch, and while the clutch was out I figured I should replace the rear main, and since I have all this stuff out anyways, why not put the sport muffler on? So yeah... it's still sitting there... poor thing





she met a movie star








Had the vinyl top replaced with canvas last winter


wrecked it a couple months later hydroplaning on a hairpin turn coming down a mountain in the rain


picked an awful body shop to repaint the whole car....

3 times and they still didn't get it right... and now paint is thick as shit and needs to be stripped to bare metal



But she's a sweet ride any way

[TK_SON]

The newest old style cars, bugs and mini's

[VooDooXII]

The newest old style cars, bugs and mini's

Don't forget Morgans!

Nice Volkswagen.

[eraser4g63]

That thing is bad ass

[VWGirl]

yeah she is... except I forgot to post the pic of where she's been the past three months of winter (she's my only car with heat up here)




She's actually a bit more disassembled than this now... but all my parts for the Thing and my fastback trans and my set of turtlebacks are all kind of in the way now

[speedminded]

How did you obtain and register it? I've wanted a Mexican beetle forever!

Infamous VW positive camber!

[VWGirl]

How did you obtain and register it? I've wanted a Mexican beetle forever!


Infamous VW positive camber!

infamous NEGATIVE camber indeed... but yes, when you lift a VW off the ground... especially with a swing axle, the wheels tuck in... I try to explain this to the guys at the alignment shop and the insist that my car must have been wrecked (even before it was, which didn't at all affect the rear)

I found it at a car show in manassas VA, it was owned by a shop in NC... they bought it from someone in OH... it was imported from CA... and delivered to me at my home in FL... that's really about all I know... but it is legally registered and insured as a 98 vw beetle with its mexican vin... which consequently is in no database

[VWGirl]

Apparently even though I met the terms of the Old School forum
"All pre-1985 cars fall in this category. This includes later years for models that were first built in 1985.

In other words, if you have a 1986 Civic (square back), you'd be included because it is the same model as the 1985 model. This was really generated towards the old school import scene and not Japanese cars. Any import. BMWs, Volvos, anything pre-1985."

I still don't qualify

Yet again someone that wants to classify my car as a "new beetle"... I guess you should talk to my insurance company who has it insured as a classic car... I bet most of the ones in the old school forum aren't insured as classics!

[speedminded]

infamous NEGATIVE camber indeed... but yes, when you lift a VW off the ground... especially with a swing axle, the wheels tuck in... I try to explain this to the guys at the alignment shop and the insist that my car must have been wrecked (even before it was, which didn't at all affect the rear)

I found it at a car show in manassas VA, it was owned by a shop in NC... they bought it from someone in OH... it was imported from CA... and delivered to me at my home in FL... that's really about all I know... but it is legally registered and insured as a 98 vw beetle with its mexican vin... which consequently is in no database

Negative on the negative ghost writer, that there is positive.

[VWGirl]

Negative on the negative ghost writer, that there is positive.

I'm thinking you people need sleep... first my thread gets moved from the CORRECT old school forum... FYI my car is most closely resembled to the US spec 1968 model year with a swingaxle... and at VW shows unless there is an import class... as mine is NOT US spec and NOT OBDII compliant... it would go in the beetle 68 and up class... so it's a classic car and based on a body style from 1938... or 68, or 72... but it's not based on ANYTHING 85 or later...

THEN... you make some ludicrous comment about VW's being infamous for positive camber... which VW's come stock set to NEGATIVE camber... and everyone knows this... so I go along with the first guy thinking he is joking about my cars ass end being lifted in the air, so i jokingly make a comment about the idiots at the tire shop not knowing what the hell they are talking about... and then you come along and act like I don't know wtf I am talking about?

Guess what... the car in that picture has no engine in it... I pulled it out with 4 bolts... it is sitting on a jack at the time of the pic... how many cars do you know that raise up a bit with the engine out because the suspension is set based on having the weight of the engine in it... well guess what!!!! VW's are set like that too!

God it pisses me off when "car people" don't know what the fuck they are talking about! And yes the whole moving my old school car out of the old school forum where it belonged along with the other assinine comments has set me off to rant like this.

Now please... come back and make some educated comments about my car!


**steps off soap box**

[Motivation]

It looks better than most beetles that are on the road, that is for sure.

[quickdodge®]

It looks better than most beetles that are on the road, that is for sure.

It's only a few years old so it should.

To think you were the very first female I sent a friends request to on myspace in 4+ years without personally knowing them first...only because I thought you were a pretty cool chick to be as knowledgeable about your own car(s) as you are.

AGREED!!! This bitch just reminded me why I can't stand new folks. I repped her positively and complimented her other car and, because of a mistake, she jumps on her high horse, lets the blood flow from the tampon.

Later, QD.

[Motivation]

I believe the wheels look like they have positive camber because it is lifted in the air. If I am not mistaken, when put back on the ground the camber will be negative...

[Jecht]

I believe the wheels look like they have positive camber because it is lifted in the air. If I am not mistaken, when put back on the ground the camber will be negative...

Yeah, I think you two both know what you are talking about, I just think there was a miscommunication. I think Jason was trying to say that it has a ton of positive camber while up on the jacks and VWgirl is saying it has some negative camber when on the ground (which they do come with).

[speedminded]

I believe the wheels look like they have positive camber because it is lifted in the air. If I am not mistaken, when put back on the ground the camber will be negative...

It's nothing about looking like. They do have extreme positive camber when lifted off the ground. If you noticed I quoted the picture of her car being on jack stands. Find me another common everyday vehicle that has positive camber that exaggerated when you jack it up...

Yeah, I think you two both know what you are talking about, I just think there was a miscommunication. I think Jason was trying to say that it has a ton of positive camber while up on the jacks and VWgirl is saying it has some negative camber when on the ground (which they do come with).

How can you have miscommunication when you quote a photo of a car being jacked up off the ground stating EXACTLY what is seen in said photo? As said above, find me a car with that much positive camber when raised. I don't care what it is on the ground because I didn't quote a photo of a car on the ground.

[VWGirl]

I believe the wheels look like they have positive camber because it is lifted in the air. If I am not mistaken, when put back on the ground the camber will be negative...

I did say that in my response... but I get called a cunt for knowing what I am talking about...

infamous NEGATIVE camber indeed... but yes, when you lift a VW off the ground... especially with a swing axle, the wheels tuck in... I try to explain this to the guys at the alignment shop and the insist that my car must have been wrecked (even before it was, which didn't at all affect the rear)

I thought I was trying to be nice here and explain to you why the wheels were tucked in as if it were not obvious the car was off the ground...

To give you some credit (not that you deserve any after calling me a cunt asshole) While driving when the wheels are lifted from the ground for any reason such has cornering or shifting, the wheels do have a tendency to tuck as well (again because there is no load on them)... for this reason you can purchase a camber compensator... but aircooled VW's in general are associated with negative camber, not positive camber... if you raise the stock ride height of a beetle the camber becomes more positive and if you lower the ride height it becomes more negative.

caster camber and toe were the very first things we had to learn in our alignment class in automotive school my dear... I do still know what they all mean and know what I am talking about.

[VWGirl]

and i'm sorry speedminded... I wouldn't have been as pissed about the positive camber comment had QD not deemed my car a new beetle earlier... after I posted in this thread how I hated that... I'm just really tired of arguing with people about what my car is

atleast you didn't tell me about your "1958 super beatle with a porsche engine" cause i REALLY fucking hate that... but have learned to quietly nod and ignore those comments

[VWGirl]

And now for something completely different...







I figured it's a little less positive for you and maybe more your style

[speedminded]

I did say that in my response... but I get called a cunt for knowing what I am talking about...



I thought I was trying to be nice here and explain to you why the wheels were tucked in as if it were not obvious the car was off the ground...

To give you some credit (not that you deserve any after calling me a cunt asshole) While driving when the wheels are lifted from the ground for any reason such has cornering or shifting, the wheels do have a tendency to tuck as well (again because there is no load on them)... for this reason you can purchase a camber compensator... but aircooled VW's in general are associated with negative camber, not positive camber... if you raise the stock ride height of a beetle the camber becomes more positive and if you lower the ride height it becomes more negative.

caster camber and toe were the very first things we had to learn in our alignment class in automotive school my dear... I do still know what they all mean and know what I am talking about.

You want to know why I ended it with cunt? Because later on tonight you're going to be thinking about it. So much it's going to get under your skin even more than it is now.

Read what was stated in the bold, what car does that not apply to? lol!

Growing up Rebuilt two beetles from the ground up, built a dune buggy from the ground up using a vanagon frame, later had a VW freak of a roommate with a Westfalia, and then we traded an MG we picked up for a Baja bug.

and i'm sorry speedminded... I wouldn't have been as pissed about the positive camber comment had QD not deemed my car a new beetle earlier... after I posted in this thread how I hated that... I'm just really tired of arguing with people about what my car is

atleast you didn't tell me about your "1958 super beatle with a porsche engine" cause i REALLY fucking hate that... but have learned to quietly nod and ignore those comments

Who cares what it is? It's your car, you know what its, you like it...why have the need to justify anything about it? Then take it out on the next person for stating something in a photo? I will think about accepting your apology.

On the other hand, should a new mini be allowed in the same old school forum? How about a new Camaro or Charger? Granted, unlike your beetle, they are 100% different than their predecessor other than the name but still. Your car was built in '97/98 and it's registered as a '98. Welcome to QD land.

As for the Porsche engine in VW, we built one years ago in my guest bedroom for my roommate's Westfalia. What's your deal with Porsche anyways? Without Ferdinand Porsche how far would the Beetle have gotten?

so judging by your pics Jason, you know where pic #2 of my mexi was taken?

Yes ma'am. I have pics of those cars down there as well.

[VWGirl]

You want to know why I ended it with cunt? Because later on tonight you're going to be thinking about it. So much it's going to get under your skin even more than it is now.

Read what was stated in the bold, what car does that not apply to? lol!

Growing up Rebuilt two beetles from the ground up, built a dune buggy from the ground up using a vanagon frame, later had a VW freak of a roommate with a Westfalia, and then we traded an MG we picked up for a Baja bug.


Who cares what it is? It's your car, you know what its, you like it...why have the need to justify anything about it? Then take it out on the next person for stating something in a photo? I will think about accepting your apology.

On the other hand, should a new mini be allowed in the same old school forum? How about a new Camaro or Charger? Granted, unlike your beetle, they are 100% different than their predecessor other than the name but still. Your car was built in '97/98 and it's registered as a '98. Welcome to QD land.

As for the Porsche engine in VW, we built one years ago in my guest bedroom for my roommate's Westfalia. What's your deal with Porsche anyways? Without Ferdinand Porsche how far would the Beetle have gotten?

Yes ma'am. I have pics of those cars down there as well.

Did you actually hike up to see the cars? I'd like to see your pics.

The swingaxles were more susceptible to this than other vehicles...

You just contradicted yourself about how a new mini and camaro and charger are completely different than their predecessors yet mine is not... yet mine shouldn't be considered as old school since it's parts are bolt on from 1968... right...

and obviously you didn't get the reference there with the porsche comment... and i certainly hope you aren't referring to a type IV VW engine as a porsche engine as that would make you just as bad as the rest of them... I have nothing against porsche... never even implied I did.

[VWGirl]

You want to know why I ended it with cunt? Because later on tonight you're going to be thinking about it. So much it's going to get under your skin even more than it is now.

Only in your dreams

[bandydesign]

FOUND!


So when a car with IRS like the beetle or Ranger(IFS) are sitting level with 0 camber and they go over a bump... do you say they change camber while driving???? I would measure camber as a relative changed adjustment, but not by simply jumping up and down on the car would I say you are changing camber.

Technically?? I guess.. $0.02

[VWGirl]

FOUND!


So when a car with IRS like the beetle or Ranger(IFS) are sitting level with 0 camber and they go over a bump... do you say they change camber while driving???? I would measure camber as a relative changed adjustment, but not by simply jumping up and down on the car would I say you are changing camber.

Technically?? I guess.. $0.02

The positive camber was not so much of an issue on the IRS beetles... AGAIN... this car is a swing axle... the US imported beetles switched to IRS in 69 (68 on autostick versions). On the swingaxles, the axles and trans are all one unit and unsprung... so for instance if you were to hit a bump... the whole car will then lift up and the wheels on both sides will tuck similar to that of the picture of my car (not on jack stands, but a jack ;-)) which can allow for the car to roll in extreme circumstances

On the later IRS cars, they are no longer one unit, the suspension and cv axles are independent and there is less chance of positive camber

[BKgen®]

love the car.

hate your attitude.




just sayin'.

[bandydesign]

I'm really loving the bugs. I wish I had some decent pictures of my Ghia.

[VWGirl]

so judging by your pics Jason, you know where pic #2 of my mexi was taken?

[X-Runner]

so judging by your pics Jason, you know where pic #2 of my mexi was taken?

Same place you wrecked it lol. Go answer my other message

[VWGirl]

what other message? and no... i wrecked it a couple miles from the launch pad... but there are quite a few wrecks directly below me at that point... there is a complete audi 4000 down there in fact ;-) the other stuff was a bit more mangled and less complete ;-) I wouldn't hike it again... especially when it's about to snow!

[VWGirl]

At least all this camber debate has me contemplating buying a camber compensator...

[BobbyFresco]

I mean the cars are ok....I'm more of a Mk-MK5 Golf/Rabbit/GTI kind of guy....
I did warn her about coming off like she has but.....She'll learn, soon enough, that IA is the land of flame, moreso for a female that puts herself in a situation to be flamed...Thick skin or not, this should be interesting...

[VWGirl]

This has nothing to do with how you complimented my other car. I followed the directions in your forum and yet you still chose to move my thread and insult this car by saying it's not a classic... At least my car isn't a domestic... I mean what's with the 86 Dodge Charger that's in the forum? It's both domestic and post 86... How does it qualify under

"All pre-1985 cars fall in this category. This includes later years for models that were first built in 1985.

In other words, if you have a 1986 Civic (square back), you'd be included because it is the same model as the 1985 model. This was really generated towards the old school import scene and not Japanese cars. Any import. BMWs, Volvos, anything pre-1985."

Yes it's based on a pre 85 body... but so is mine... at least mine is an import... and an imported import at that... You still haven't explained to me how I broke the rules to be moved to a different forum... I am still waiting on an answer... oh right... you forgot you set those rules and just moved the thread because I said it was a 98? If I would have said it was a 68 you would not have known the difference and would have left it where it belonged.

There is nothing interesting going to happen here... if you are going to be assholes and play these games then I will just leave as there are plenty of forums out there with plenty of good people in them. That know what they are talking about and appreciate my being there and don't make up the rules as they go along.

I thought it would be nice to get to know some of the more local people in the car scene and venture out beyond the VW shows... But apparently my cars have ugly paint, positive camber and are too imported for your tastes.

[vinayak]

This has nothing to do with how you complimented my other car. I followed the directions in your forum and yet you still chose to move my thread and insult this car by saying it's not a classic... At least my car isn't a domestic... I mean what's with the 86 Dodge Charger that's in the forum? It's both domestic and post 86... How does it qualify under

"All pre-1985 cars fall in this category. This includes later years for models that were first built in 1985.

In other words, if you have a 1986 Civic (square back), you'd be included because it is the same model as the 1985 model. This was really generated towards the old school import scene and not Japanese cars. Any import. BMWs, Volvos, anything pre-1985."

Yes it's based on a pre 85 body... but so is mine... at least mine is an import... and an imported import at that... You still haven't explained to me how I broke the rules to be moved to a different forum... I am still waiting on an answer... oh right... you forgot you set those rules and just moved the thread because I said it was a 98? If I would have said it was a 68 you would not have known the difference and would have left it where it belonged.

I have to agree what is said aboot her car. I could take my 1970 beetle and swap just aboot any part between the two. The only thing That really could not be done easily is the trans and axle stuff. Mine is a IRS hers is a Swingaxle. It could be done but not in a timely manner(welding involved).

Mexi Beetles are actually on a old refurbished pan(frame for non VW people). The body is the only thing other than drivetrain that is new and there still based on the old molds from the pre 1975 beetles.

As far as the newer cars, there really not old school since you could not easely take a panel off the newer and put it on the older.

I love that slide back roof i never have seen one that is like it. I really do not look at to many mexi beetles.

[Total_Blender]

There is nothing interesting going to happen here... if you are going to be assholes and play these games then I will just leave as there are plenty of forums out there with plenty of good people in them. That know what they are talking about and appreciate my being there and don't make up the rules as they go along.

Yep, the Samba > IA

I thought it would be nice to get to know some of the more local people in the car scene and venture out beyond the VW shows... .

You haven't missed much... the Varsity meets almost always end with the cops showing up and cars getting booted.

[X-Runner]

You haven't missed much... the Varsity meets almost always end with the cops showing up and cars getting booted.

Almost?

[Gorilla Eg!]

Lets jump off the merry-go-round and end the pointless dissension!!!

[quickdodge®]

I followed the directions in your forum and yet you still chose to move my thread and insult this car by saying it's not a classic...

Did you not clearly read my above post? I made a goddamn mistake, dumbass. And take it as an insult if you want...I don't fucking care.

At least my car isn't a domestic... I mean what's with the 86 Dodge Charger that's in the forum? It's both domestic and post 86... How does it qualify under

Idiot. How is a car that was built in 1986 going to be post-1986.

"All pre-1985 cars fall in this category. This includes later years for models that were first built in 1985.

In other words, if you have a 1986 Civic (square back), you'd be included because it is the same model as the 1985 model. This was really generated towards the old school import scene and not Japanese cars. Any import. BMWs, Volvos, anything pre-1985."

Yes it's based on a pre 85 body... but so is mine... at least mine is an import... and an imported import at that... You still haven't explained to me how I broke the rules to be moved to a different forum... I am still waiting on an answer... oh right... you forgot you set those rules and just moved the thread because I said it was a 98? If I would have said it was a 68 you would not have known the difference and would have left it where it belonged.

There is nothing interesting going to happen here... if you are going to be assholes and play these games then I will just leave as there are plenty of forums out there with plenty of good people in them. That know what they are talking about and appreciate my being there and don't make up the rules as they go along.

I thought it would be nice to get to know some of the more local people in the car scene and venture out beyond the VW shows... But apparently my cars have ugly paint, positive camber and are too imported for your tastes.

Wow. Shut the fuck up. When you feel that you can come to me with any form of respect, we can continue in a more civil manner. Keep coming at me like you have been, and it can continue like this. Doesn't matter to me. Later, QD.

[Gorilla Eg!]

Did you not clearly read my above post? I made a goddamn mistake, dumbass. And take it as an insult if you want...I don't fucking care.



Idiot. How is a car that was built in 1986 going to be post-1986.



Wow. Shut the fuck up. When you feel that you can come to me with any form of respect, we can continue in a more civil manner. Keep coming at me like you have been, and it can continue like this. Doesn't matter to me. Later, QD.

wow... so you not only pick on innocent people who dont do anything to you, but now your picking on girls as well...sheesh man your attitue is rotten to the core

[VWGirl]

Did you not clearly read my above post? I made a goddamn mistake, dumbass. And take it as an insult if you want...I don't fucking care.

Ok I think I see what you are talking about... but it didn't read that way the first couple of times I read it... but i went looking for it

Idiot. How is a car that was built in 1986 going to be post-1986.

The second 6 was a typo, it should have been 1985 as I was quoting you... I have no problem when I am wrong and admitting I made a mistake... indeed I hit a wrong key... thank you for pointing that out, but I think you knew what I meant.[/QUOTE]

Wow. Shut the fuck up. When you feel that you can come to me with any form of respect, we can continue in a more civil manner. Keep coming at me like you have been, and it can continue like this. Doesn't matter to me. Later, QD.

I never intended for it to not be civil... I admit I over reacted... but I can only tolerate so much before I will... don't worry... I expressed my frustrations enough today with all the idiots I have to deal with... I am done for a while... besides I got no sleep from staying up and arguing with you guys... what's the fun in that for me?

I'm not saying that I was in the right... but maybe you should look at the thread from an outsiders view too...

I'm a real easy person to get along with... but I'm a bitch too... and you're (being several of you not just QD) an asshole... it happens... life goes on... it's not that big of a deal

[quickdodge®]

Ok I think I see what you are talking about... but it didn't read that way the first couple of times I read it... but i went looking for it

Yeah.

but I think you knew what I meant.

I had no idea that you had a typo.

. besides I got no sleep from staying up and arguing with you guys... what's the fun in that for me?

You guys? I wasn't part of the crowd.

I'm not saying that I was in the right... but maybe you should look at the thread from an outsiders view too...

You attacked, I responded. That's what I saw when I looked.

I'm a real easy person to get along with... but I'm a bitch too... and you're (being several of you not just QD) an asshole... it happens... life goes on... it's not that big of a deal

I can be an asshole. But I don't care. If it warrants it, I'll say what I think with no remorse. If you would have just PM-ed me with it and not tried calling me out on the forum with the BS, this probably would have swung a whole different direction. Later, QD.

[VWGirl]

I can be an asshole. But I don't care. If it warrants it, I'll say what I think with no remorse. If you would have just PM-ed me with it and not tried calling me out on the forum with the BS, this probably would have swung a whole different direction. Later, QD.

I did PM you... you have yet to respond...I realize it was late and you may not have responded til later... but the series of events that followed pissed me off too so it was compounded... otherwise i would have waited... but you never responded anyways, so i guess it didn't matter