So i was in atlanta and look what I saw

[EJ25RUN]

if you just say the gt-r is ugly, then that is a respectable perspective, one that everyone is entitled to, however, to not respect a car of that caliber while being savvy about cars is what i dont understand.

You respect a car for different reasons though.

I respect a Porsche 911 for never changing the need to be a drivers car and stick with that at all costs. It is one of the reasons it took this long for Porsche to shove a dual clutch gearbox in the 911 even though they began using said system in the 1980's 962 racer.

Porsche made this mistake of over technologically revolutionizing a car with the 959. A car that 20 years later was still voted as the best Porsche of all time ahead of the 1973 911 RS, Carrera GT, 550 Spyder and any other Porsche street car ever made. But there was a problem. In its time the 959 was so advanced that the driver wasn't as "necessary" or "involved" as he once was. You basically felt like a passenger letting the 959 show you how amazing it is.

This is what i see in the GTR. A GREAT GREAT car that was forced to give up the thrill in order to be as fast as possible. Well, they did it. They gave the chance for an average person to drive like a talent even if they lack it.

You gotta look at cars full circle. That's how i do it.


P.S., those Nurburgring lap times people say them like they can do it.

Yes 7:29 is phenomenal BUT.....it was ex F1 driver Toshio Suzuki that got those times. So he has a very tall talent barrier. And it is safe to say a high talent can get any car to do extraordinary things. I say that a regular driver. One with track experience but not F1 grade can prolly swing that car around in 7:35-7:36.

["ridge"racer]

You respect a car for different reasons though.

I respect a Porsche 911 for never changing the need to be a drivers car and stick with that at all costs. It is one of the reasons it took this long for Porsche to shove a dual clutch gearbox in the 911 even though they began using said system in the 1980's 962 racer.

Porsche made this mistake of over technologically revolutionizing a car with the 959. A car that 20 years later was still voted as the best Porsche of all time ahead of the 1973 911 RS, Carrera GT, 550 Spyder and any other Porsche street car ever made. But there was a problem. In its time the 959 was so advanced that the driver wasn't as "necessary" or "involved" as he once was. You basically felt like a passenger letting the 959 show you how amazing it is.

This is what i see in the GTR. A GREAT GREAT car that was forced to give up the thrill in order to be as fast as possible. Well, they did it. They gave the chance for an average person to drive like a talent even if they lack it.

You gotta look at cars full circle. That's how i do it.


P.S., those Nurburgring lap times people say them like they can do it.

Yes 7:29 is phenomenal BUT.....it was ex F1 driver Toshio Suzuki that got those times. So he has a very tall talent barrier. And it is safe to say a high talent can get any car to do extraordinary things. I say that a regular driver. One with track experience but not F1 grade can prolly swing that car around in 7:35-7:36.

I understand what you are saying man, i guess my standpoint is coming from inexperience, and never having any track experience with cars of that caliber. I just think that a fast car is a fast car, and all the r&d nissan put in the gtr is there for a reason, that being said, if designing cars and making them easier to drive while still breaking records is what the future holds, then neither you, nor myself can change that. What happens when porche makes a supercar only available in auto that sets a new record? what would be your view then? see my point? we evolve things to make our lives easier, something nissan showed us. we cant stop change and one day we may look back and say, "man, i cant believe people had to change the gears themselves and activate the clutch with their feet!"

In the end there is only the win.

[EJ25RUN]

I just think that a fast car is a fast car, and all the r&d nissan put in the gtr is there for a reason, that being said, if designing cars and making them easier to drive while still breaking records is what the future holds, then neither you, nor myself can change that.

Of coarse, but there are little victories. The M5 getting a manual from consumer demand years back was one.

What happens when porsche makes a supercar only available in auto that sets a new record?

Little off topic but in the early 90's, Porsche is credited with making Automatics fun when they began using an Auto that lets you go out of D and go up and down. One of the first tiptronic transmissions.

But back to Supercars, Porsche is working on the Carrera GT replacement and i'll myself agree that this time, it's all about breaking records. All though i doubt it will be a true Automatic, prolly a development of the PDK boxs that are being put in 911s now.

In the end there is only the win.

And there you hit it. Once you hit the race track, winning at all cost is the only way.

Paddle Shifters in 1989, Wings in 1967, Ceramic brakes in 1977, 4wd in 1979. All these things were thought of as being to heavy, fragile, or unproven, but today, in their respective field, it is a must.

Today, Formula 1 aerodynamicists are hated because even though the cars can corner at ungodly speeds, the racing is gone. 2008 is a great year in that traction control has finally been banned with the use of a standardized ECU.