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    i couldve told you that the vette would destroy the gtr. v-spec or not, the vette is going to come out on top.

    the vette has more power, weighs less, and has ALOT more torque. the corvette suspension is also ALOT better than the GTR. not just in setup, but in design and the way it distributes the load onto the chassis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jesse4846
    i couldve told you that the vette would destroy the gtr. v-spec or not, the vette is going to come out on top.

    the vette has more power, weighs less, and has ALOT more torque. the corvette suspension is also ALOT better than the GTR. not just in setup, but in design and the way it distributes the load onto the chassis.

    lol X 10, the Vette runs a transverse leaf spring suspension just like the Model T. It's real advanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsany(atl)
    lol X 10, the Vette runs a transverse leaf spring suspension just like the Model T. It's real advanced.


    so your saying that its better to have suspension that pushes up on the fram of the car and causes it to flex than suspension that puts little stress on the frame? ooooookay...

    i think if coilovers were better, they would have ran them on the c6r. but they didnt.

    and about the tires, the gtr was NOT on stock tires, it was on race tires.

    they will be sorta close, but the c6r will be alot faster around the ring. that track is won and lost on the straights, and the c6r has more power and less drag. plus it weighs ~500 lbs less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsany(atl)
    lol X 10, the Vette runs a transverse leaf spring suspension just like the Model T. It's real advanced.

    Pic from Z06
    I don't know how i missed this.

    Lol at really advanced. It was "advanced" in the 60's and then the 70's happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJ25RUN
    I don't know how i missed this.

    Lol at really advanced. It was "advanced" in the 60's and then the 70's happened.
    as much as you seem to know about this kind of stuff, im surprised by this.

    the transevers leaf is a BETTER DESIGN than a coilover. coilovers = chassis flex. thats not a good thing. the leaf spring deflects most of its force onto itself in the center of the car, which causes ALOT less chassis flex. you can brace the shock towers on a coilover car, but thats adding weight, which the leaf already has less of. the leaf spring deflects most of its force onto itself in the center of the car, which causes ALOT less chassis flex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jesse4846
    as much as you seem to know about this kind of stuff, im surprised by this.

    the transevers leaf is a BETTER DESIGN than a coilover. coilovers = chassis flex. thats not a good thing. the leaf spring deflects most of its force onto itself in the center of the car, which causes ALOT less chassis flex. you can brace the shock towers on a coilover car, but thats adding weight, which the leaf already has less of. the leaf spring deflects most of its force onto itself in the center of the car, which causes ALOT less chassis flex.
    you have no clue what you are talking about.
    They ran stock Bridgestones, watch the first 40sec. of this Nissan Promo video and you can see them on the car.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg
    also slick tires don't scream like that, it is the grooves in the tires that make the noise, slicks don't do that.

    The Vette is the only car that still runs the transverse setup, the General just likes it that way, just like pushrod V8's. Also with the transverse leaf you can't change spring rates with out removing the whole suspension and it's hard to adjust ride height.

    And the Pratt and Miller race cars "the C6-R you spoke of" got rid of the leaf springs and ran coilovers, so that tells you how good it is.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nsany(atl)
    you have no clue what you are talking about.
    They ran stock Bridgestones, watch the first 40sec. of this Nissan Promo video and you can see them on the car.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg
    also slick tires don't scream like that, it is the grooves in the tires that make the noise, slicks don't do that.

    The Vette is the only car that still runs the transverse setup, the General just likes it that way, just like pushrod V8's. Also with the transverse leaf you can't change spring rates with out removing the whole suspension and it's hard to adjust ride height.

    And the Pratt and Miller race cars "the C6-R you spoke of" got rid of the leaf springs and ran coilovers, so that tells you how good it is.

    i meant to say c5r, my bad. lol

    and pushrod motors have advantages. for one thing, theres not as much to break. theres also less rotating mass inside the engine.

    as far as changing spring rates, your right. but the shocks are where the most adjustment is used, so as long as the springs are keeping the car from rolling too much, its fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jesse4846
    as much as you seem to know about this kind of stuff, im surprised by this.

    the transevers leaf is a BETTER DESIGN than a coilover. coilovers = chassis flex. thats not a good thing. the leaf spring deflects most of its force onto itself in the center of the car, which causes ALOT less chassis flex. you can brace the shock towers on a coilover car, but thats adding weight, which the leaf already has less of. the leaf spring deflects most of its force onto itself in the center of the car, which causes ALOT less chassis flex.
    the same amount of pressure is still going to be applied to a point on the vehicle because the same amount of weight is still there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesse4846
    as much as you seem to know about this kind of stuff, im surprised by this.

    the transevers leaf is a BETTER DESIGN than a coilover. coilovers = chassis flex. thats not a good thing. the leaf spring deflects most of its force onto itself in the center of the car, which causes ALOT less chassis flex. you can brace the shock towers on a coilover car, but thats adding weight, which the leaf already has less of. the leaf spring deflects most of its force onto itself in the center of the car, which causes ALOT less chassis flex.
    If that was the case, we would see it in more applications. The biggest problem of a Transverse Leaf is its size and length. Added to that it doesn't allow for as much adjustment. A double wishbone multi link with coils is much more compact. One thing i want to mention as well is that going back to the Oldsmobile TransAm/IMSA cars and the pikes peak pro trucks P&M did, they have always worked with that setup and you typically stick with what you know works. I feel that GM is sticking with transverse leafs for the same reason they are sticking to pushrod v8s and fibergrlass.

    C6r rear multilink with coils.

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