i got someone who pmd me on them first , thats the reason i did not bump this post. Its going to be a trade but it it fall ill have you all back up and informed ,,,, im thinking 250 just the rims they have minor curb on one and 280 with tires tires are about 20-30% of life not much but still ride Rims used to have the lip chrome but i painted it black so i guess you could sand the black off and get the lip again............CivicOO how are the 5s on tires and condition let me know .........Peace