T line? Transmission line? I think you might be talking about a conventional ported box.
T line? Transmission line? I think you might be talking about a conventional ported box.
For reference, the box I posted on the first page is one I build a couple of months ago. It is 7.6 cubes, tuned to 30-31hz, using two full length 6'' aeroports. Loudest thing I have heard. You could probably buy the box off him. I think he might want to go with 1 18'' so the box will not be needed anymore.
Kevin
Originally Posted by alpine_aw11
dude get the triple x's man best sub ever
99 tahoe, build in progress
yes they are by far one of my favs they are way under power rated also they can take a hell of a beating i love them esp the triple xxx;s
99 tahoe, build in progress
See I don't care about SPL, DD's can get as loud as they want but they sound like shit. And T2's sound even worse. So do you have a reccomendation for a better mix of SQ/SPL for 250? That's what I will be spending on the SX. I'm not being a smartass, I just think DD sounds like diarrhea. The Memphis would be the only sub I would consider on that list.
If you didnt like the way DD's sounded, they must have been in the wrong box or not tuned properly. Come by and talk to me, we've got some great options that sound good as well as beat.
Colin
Audio Wizards
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Sundown sa-12's. SPLQ. Built for sound quality but their exceptional cooling makes them very popular with SPL guys.
Well it must be Will's fault then....
It's Brad Colin, I've been wanting to come by and look at some Memphis stuff when I have the money.
The SX is more of a spl sub.
I could let you hear my friend's single 12'' Fi Q off 1200rms(2.5 cubes, 32hz). It is in the trunk of his e46 coupe. Very nice sound and digs quite low. I am actually building a TC9 12'' for myself which is pretty close in design to the Fi Q. I just need something smaller for when I don't feel like carting around the 70lb XXX lol.
Kevin
Well it must be Will's fault then....
It's Brad Colin, I've been wanting to come by and look at some Memphis stuff when I have the money.
Hey man,
you didnt like the way Wills car sounds? huh... Yeah man, which Memphis you like? they've changed part numbers but still have the same basic lineup. You need to come see the new place anyway.
Will's car gets too fucking loud. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, but imo once you get to that point it sounds shitty. Believe me I went through this with him for hours lol. I don't know what model I want, I forgot what setup my buddy had but it was perfect for me. Maybe there's a DD sub that's right for me, idk. I'll come discuss it with you some time.
It really isn't that relative of a statement. If I took a sub, and put it in a properly built and tuned box with a goal of achieving a high spl. I know for a fact i wouldn't be picking anything from RE's lineup. in fact the only sub I might consider even remotely is the early 2000's MT and even then, it would be way way way down the list. Quite frankly when Adire went out of business is the day RE became completely irrelevant. I don't care who is makeing them now, or who is now running the company it's not the same quality product.
As for the car you mentioned, I know that car (it was done before I was brought down to Ga to work here) and you aren't proving me wrong in my statement. Quite frankly I don't want to get into any further, b/c I wasn't the employed here when it was built.
Also, who ever it was that said Sundown is a SQPL sub, you couldn't be more wrong. There is absoluyely nothing high quality or even sound quality related about Sundown. They are a lowpriced, mid level internet brand, much like a litany of other companies out there.
Scott P
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I am not the one arguing the SPL matter with you but all my RE products with exception of my first se 12 have been pre-china models. RE is cheap(cost). I am pretty sure the mojo is a bit more than what I have paid for my different re subs. I have installed a variety of different brands/subs/models and build a variety of boxes for them all but I always find myself coming back to the old RE stuff. I don't compete in spl or sq nor do I have the funds to do so, with that being said it is really just for the enjoyment of having a car with an intense stereo.
I'll come by when I get back from college for spring break so we can chat it up and meter the xxx if I get it in by then.
Kevin
Last edited by AV8ter; 02-16-2010 at 11:43 PM.
Paying more does not mean a thing... isn't that why john is wanting to build an spl car with cheap ass woofers? And What makes your $500 mojo entry level pos a much higher quality item then a nightshade or a Zv2 or any woofer. And sundown is sold in shops across the US, but most people see it as "too expensive." Regardless any SQ or SPL car is only as good as the installer... you should know that much
well i got my dds from audio wizard i kinda wish they did a little more time on the box because the port is way too big for the subs these tens i have i know can be louder that 136.8 on tones legal that is just ehh.. but wat ever i paid the money and they wanted way too much for stuff not dissing them but kinda am because they see me as a kid and think i am a waste of time pretty much unless u come in there with an ass load of money they will take u serious 100 dollars for some wire 1/0 wire to be exact soo if you dont mind spending a alot more for things then ur ok..
Originally Posted by carheadman
ok kimbo slice bring your bananas bitch.
I know how you feel. Pretty much from the beginning I started buying second hand equipment, and purchased everything else online for as cheap as I possibly could. I have also built my own boxes since the start. It is hard for me to go into a shop and buy anything of high value if I know I can get it cheaper elsewhere. I guess that is just me always being a broke-ass.
I get a lot of crazy deals online but always make sure they are from authorized dealers if I am purchasing something BNIB. In November I lucked out and got BNIB Alpine 9887 for $240 shipped, and from an authorized dealer online. Good price but I have a feeling they were just moving the units due to alpine releasing it's next all-in-one unit in a few months.
now if they were more salesy like offering to show me about the stuff i prob would bought it sooner
ok kimbo slice bring your bananas bitch.
I doubt it, they know DD inside and out and I guarantee you the box is built to specs. If you're such an expert build your own shit, then you can only bitch about yourself if you don't like the end result. I personally haven't spent a lot of money in their shop but they've always helped me out. Maybe you should go to them instead of making idle complaints on a forum aboutit.
I am going to buck the "norm" here, and suggest an Arc Audio ARC12. Great mix of SQ and SPL....definatley weighted to the SQ side of things though.
Sorry, this is redgst97......wrong user name!!
Last edited by Scott P; 02-17-2010 at 10:30 AM. Reason: Wrong User
Scott P
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Hey man, not sure which box this is, but im guess the box I had in the Soundroom with the 2 510's in the T-Line Box, which if thats the case, the box is built exactly to spec and a 138 is really good for two of DD's Entry level subs. If im thinking of the wrong box, sorry. I've always worked with our customers, regardless of budget, and Ive always stood behind my work. If someone doesnt Like a box, Ill rebuild it. But, if its the T-line that was in the soundroom, I was real specific on what that box was, and there is a reason it is built the way it is. Those subs wont hit that number in a standard box. Thats why that box looks so big from the outside, its mostly port. Again, if Im thinking of the wrong box, my bad.
Colin
AW
im not sayin i dont like it its just weird how big the port is but yeah it was the one in the sound room
ok kimbo slice bring your bananas bitch.
im not trying to come off as a dick.. my bad if i am but i just thought they needed more space next to each sub since they touch next to each other and the wire comes out on the side of the box not the back ... im not dissing anything here colin i have done business with u and its good work.. i just didnt feel the welcome when i walked in the shop... other than that i am am kinda happy with them love the quality on dd subs but they cost way too much to buy them for my whole car like i wanted to...yall quoted me like 700 dollars for a 9512 sub... maybe that is the regualar price
ok kimbo slice bring your bananas bitch.
Thats the price on the 9512. We sell as what DD tells us to sell at. I have pictures of the inside of the box so you can see why the subs are so close together and the wires come out the side. In a T-Line box, the Port is really long and increases in size over the length of the port. Im not sure what you mean by "buy them for your whole car" but the DD stuff is priced pretty low compared to other Brands. Either way man, I just didnt want there to be confusion on your box. The Numbers you are hitting for the subs you are running is pretty stout. for two $100 subs, thats not bad.
Colin
AW
Off the subject, I had a customer needing some fiberglass work done so I suggested to come to you since he is on the north gwinnett side of town. He actually had bought some DD stuff from you guys before and thought you were out of business since you moved. I gave him your number, so he will be coming to you...didn't get his name or vehicle.
if both those subs cost a total of 200 dollars then that box just cost me 200 dollars ?? is this correct? thats kinda high dontcha think
ok kimbo slice bring your bananas bitch.
I had 2 XXX 15's back during the summer of 04, when RE was a good company. I ran those subs in 10.5cu at 32hz with 150" of port off the US Amps De-3000 for part of the time and a MMats D3000.05 the rest of the time. They were far more crisp than any of the couple dozen W7 and Brahma builds I heard and only lagged slightly behind the IDMAX, although they got a lot louder. I did low 147's all day long at 38hz and the highest I hit was a 147.3. Were they in the same league as DD and Atomic in the SPL lanes? Not even close, but they were a VERY good street beater sub for someone that wanted to dominate the L7's that were so popular then.
My next build will be 2 DD 3510's or a single 9512. I have heard the DD sounds pretty good, and they do get loud as hell.
$200 for even a simple ported box is about average. A T-line enclosure is FAR more complicated to design and build and it wouldnt be all that crazy to see a price tag of $400 just for the box. If smoeone was to come to me and ask me to build them a simple 3cu ported box covered in carpet, I would charge about $150, add another $50+ if you wanted it custom made or tuned.
Sweet man, thanks. We tried to put the word out that we had just moved, but our previous landlord was a bit of a tool and tore our signs down the day we left and has been telling anyone who stops by when he is there that we closed.
Not at all for the work that went into it. Ask for prices on a T-line from any other shop. If they'll even build it, the price will be way higher.
Im in the process of puting 2 3512's into my Mini. Its nasty. The Carbon 9512 is angry as well.
Grab some popcone this is going to take a while to reply:
Alpine aw11: Is your budget 250 total for subs, or 250 per sub? That makes a big difference. Also keep in mind that I can make almost anything sound damn good, and I've seen alot of internet commando's (not implying anyone here directly) take high end product and make it sound like ass. It is all in the install. I am always willing to help with ideas and knowledge, but my time literally costs me money, so i'm not just going to give all my trade secrets away for free.
Av8tr: I had written a drawn out post for you and then accidently closed the window. So in lieu of typing it out again, I am going to cut to the chace. The TC you beat wasn't our install and wasn't actually running off the mc1500d. that guy bought the gear from our customer when he sold his tc for a truck, and the new owner promptly toasted the 1500d. When the car you beat got ran through the lanes at our shop it was being powered by a little alpine amp. Futhermore I can tell you what a 12" Mojo in a prefab ported box with 700watss would do in your car because we've done that here: 142.1dB. Not bad for a sub that retails for $450ish. Also it's not as expensive as you think to compete. I am assuming that you got your sub reconed by Scott at FI, which means it should beable to put up decent numbers in a street class. If you get a chance we're going to be hosting a few shows with MECA this year, and I would be willing to bet you would have a blast running your teg in the lanes.
Bangin Blazer: Dude, first a 136.8 for 2 entry level 10's on a quantum amp is more than respectable, it's pretty impressive. I'm not real sure why you are so down on that, or on the box. That box is the sole reason you hit that high. If you ran a standard ported box it would easily be 2db quieter if not more so. Also Colin is right 200 for a transmission line box is a helluva deal. Look at it this way. to build that box I really need 2 sheets of mdf ($25 a sheet), I'll probably use almost tube a wood glue ($10) probably 2-3 yards of carpet ($20) and about 4-5 hours building (my custom labor rate is $100 per hour). you would be looking at $600 right there by those conservative estimates. I'm not saying that is what I would charge persay, but I definately would charge more than $200 for the box. Also don't let people here influence you. I am only speaking for myself, but I think Colin would agree. we'll be glad to help and explain things and try and educate you and anyone else as needed, but keep in mind we have decades of expirience in this, while most of the stuff you can read online is written by kids who have no idea what they are talking about.
Bangin Jeep: Really? that is what you have a for me? That paying more doens't mean a thing? Trust me when I say I can't agree more with that statement. You know what does mean something to me? hearing quality product (regardless of price). That said I have heard Sundown. I have installed Sundown. I said no thanks when it was offered to me for FREE to run in my own competition car. Don't get me wrong it's decent stuff. I just wouldn't touch it for a SQ competition car, and I would rather use other products for an SPL car. Especially when you consider that a nightshade 12 msrp's for 629 and a mojo 12 (which is louder in the lanes) retails for 459
Now since you brought up the van we are looking at building, the whole principle of that is going to be that there is a difference in quality between the entry level stuff from quality based companies. Bangin Blazer is a perfect example of this. Digital Designs is a very respected company in the industy. and when Colin took 20 of there entry level 10's and put them in a properly built and tuned box, he pulled a very respectable number on the termlab. The same goes for my example I gave Av8ter about the mojo.
Listen I get it that Team Sundown is the popular internet group these days. Just as Acendant was before it, and Adire before that, and Elemental Designs before that. My point is though is while the internet flavor of the week keeps changing, Companies like Memphis, Rockford, JBL, Kicker, Pioneer, Digital Designs have been there and keep putting up quality product that keeps beating the competition in the lanes. There is a reason for that. Sure it may cost a few dollars more up front, but really if I was serious about competing in SPL, I wouldn't be claiming the first company that gave me a discount as the greatest, I would be looking for the stats that tell me which company is the greatest. But hell what do I know, I only have a only have a sq world championship to my name, and the knowledge that the current world records for SPL belong to Pioneer, DD, and Memphis/Crossfire. . . .
Look Guys I'm not trying to start an internet pissing match. Honestly I don't care. But when I see you talking shit about my shop on other forums (and I do see it), and then you come on here and say that the brands I carry suck, and that wheatever internet brand is popular this week is better (even when it is blatantly false) I and going to call you and anyone else out on it. Trust me when I have been in the game a long time, and John has been in it even longer. We aren't making shit up as we go. We have been there and done that.
If there are any further questions feel free to ask. I'll answer to the best of my knowledge or make the calls to get the answers if I don't know them myself.
Scott P
American Radio
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this is a worthless fucking debate..scott is about the only one speaking from fact,the rest of you have formed opinions about products that are obviously in the wrong enclosure..i can make a ford paper cone 5x7 sound like a 10 in the right enclosure.
Show at your place? I'll try to be there. I really don't want to do a straight SPL setup. It breaks my heart to tune any higher than 32hz in my car lol. I do all my metering with you guys, windows up, and I always play notes lower than 40hz. That mojo probably put up a 142 at 45-55hz, right? With the power I have on tap, I have not a single doubt in my mind that I could get my car up into a 150 with a pair of type rs or CVXs. I really need to start saving for a new car but I might fool around more with SPL over the summer. I'll stop buy over my spring break and I'll try to have something in the car by then.
I have A LOT I could learn from you guys about all the speaker nonsense. I need some serious help tuning my front stage lol. I need some serious recommendations and input haha.
The 18'' XXX was built by David Moore(TeamPSI). He builds all my subs. He did the HCs in the first post, my SE 15, the XXX and I am sending my TC9 motor out as soon as I get a chance. He builds most of my subs for SQ(looser suspension, lower fs typically). I can't enough of the lows lol.
You guys happen to have a blown Mojo(newer)? I'll take it off you hands and have Dave rebuild it.
Kevin
Life is one big opinion? What are you trying to convey here? My products have been in wrong enclosures? Who says there is a "right" enclosure for a said woofer?
Thanks for delivering the fail, bro. Debating is a healthy part of life. You're just being immature.
BTW, a 5x7 paper cone woofer sounds like a 5x7 paper cone woofer. A "10" sounds like a "10". Sound reproduction of said woofers is dictated by what enclosure they are in. Good job.
Kevin
Last edited by AV8ter; 02-18-2010 at 08:57 AM.
My budget is 250 for one sub, that should be all I need. I can have Colin help me, don't worry about it. I appreciate the info though.
i would sell u my setup if u would like
ok kimbo slice bring your bananas bitch.
haha ok..im saying that every single woofer has an enclosure or 2 or 3 or 4 for that matter that they will function and sound the best..wether its sealed ,ported,bandpass,or whatever..if you tune a box too high or too low for a woofer ,it has the potential to not perform,or not sound the way it should,or just blow the fuck up..hence the "WRONG" enclosure. and for the record,i totally agree that debating is a healthy part of life..im not too sure how anyone is being immature,but you sure did get defensive for no reason.and you are more than wrong about a 5x7 sounding life a 5x7 and a 10 sounding like a 10.. sure in a little sealed box they might sound like what they are..ive built all sorts of enclosures for all sorts of speakers and gotten tons of good and bad results..so as far as bringing the fail goes,im not sure what part you have trouble with understanding..but i know i have been installing for going on 11 years and have done tons of builds and tons of research..so im not spouting off bullshit information..im credible,ask around if you dont know,,and fyi,you are more than entitled to your opinion,and too debate what you want..im not gonna fight about what you or i think is correct.
Well said...And quite calmly too.. reps.
very rare for me by the way
nice, and understandable
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