eh, same thread rehashed 10000000 times already just with slightly different wording... people bring up JL and say W7... if it is expensive it must be good etc, etc. If you want the "best" anything in a system then look to spend at least 10K. There is alot of coin involved in supporting mods to make everything work right. If you are not going to invest to make it work right... then don't waste your money and just get some cheap but good alpine type R level stuff.